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weisse52
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My, my.....sticking a smiley face on an insult is still an insult.
And as I also said, either is fine.
But, as an Operator I am sure you know best.....
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you're suddenly perceptive.
and what else would you expect when you first insult someone else
There are numerous documented cases of Glocks with over 300,000 round through them, starting with Chuck Taylor's well known attempt to prove that the 'plastic' gun was a piece of junk, but recanted after firing 175,000 rounds through his example. Google 'glock torture test'.
My wife's agency issues Sigs, and after 23 years she is one her 4th SiG. To be fair, the first was swapped out when they went from 9mm to 40. But the current 40s seem to have a frame life 0f about 25,000 rounds before they need to be removed from service.
Very few people will actually fire that number of rounds through their pistols, so it isn't an issue for the average handgunner. It should also be noted that the venerated 1911 will also start to show frame cracks after 25-30,000 rounds on average.
The chamber on the Glock 40 is not fully supported, and some people consider this a design flaw which can lead to kBs. There are aftermarket barrels that correct thins problem and also allow you to shot lead bullets - a practice that Glock does not recommend.
Either pistol will give good service, and I'd happily carry either.
My wife's agency issues Sigs, and after 23 years she is one her 4th SiG. To be fair, the first was swapped out when they went from 9mm to 40. But the current 40s seem to have a frame life 0f about 25,000 rounds before they need to be removed from service.
Very few people will actually fire that number of rounds through their pistols, so it isn't an issue for the average handgunner. It should also be noted that the venerated 1911 will also start to show frame cracks after 25-30,000 rounds on average.
The chamber on the Glock 40 is not fully supported, and some people consider this a design flaw which can lead to kBs. There are aftermarket barrels that correct thins problem and also allow you to shot lead bullets - a practice that Glock does not recommend.
Either pistol will give good service, and I'd happily carry either.
Sapper771
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I own/have owned/fired several Glocks. I am issued a glock as a duty pistol and my back up gun is a glock. I have never had an issue with any glock pistol, though I have had one issue with some older glock 22 magazines (worn springs). I have been to numerous schools with other jurisdictions who are also issued glocks. I have never seen a Glock jam/fail at any of the schools......but I have seen limp-wristing (verified after several instructors shot the pistol). I have seen a magazine baseplate shoot off while an officers was shooting on his back, above his head (which was funny to see). A glock is the only pistol that I will carry out of the box without test firing it before. I have had very good luck with Glocks, I know that there are those who have not.
I like the glock because it is simple, reliable , and durable. I like having a firearm that I can fully disassemble with out the need to remove roll pins (i.e. XD and HK). I like Glocks, but they are not the best for everyone. If you can get past the grip angle, thickness of the grip (per diff. models), and/or the ergos....then give it a try.
I have not been around a lot of sigs. I have just recently discovered the world of Sig when I bought a Sig P220 Elite. I love the pistol, it is very accurate, very nice night sights, grip angle, comfortable grip , and the double action. I have not owned this sig long enough to be able to give a good review of it, other than I like it so far.
We have field tested several different pistols, and so far, the only ones to pass have been the glocks and a M&P 40.
I am with several others when I say go try them both out, and choose the one that fits you.
Good Luck
I like the glock because it is simple, reliable , and durable. I like having a firearm that I can fully disassemble with out the need to remove roll pins (i.e. XD and HK). I like Glocks, but they are not the best for everyone. If you can get past the grip angle, thickness of the grip (per diff. models), and/or the ergos....then give it a try.
I have not been around a lot of sigs. I have just recently discovered the world of Sig when I bought a Sig P220 Elite. I love the pistol, it is very accurate, very nice night sights, grip angle, comfortable grip , and the double action. I have not owned this sig long enough to be able to give a good review of it, other than I like it so far.
We have field tested several different pistols, and so far, the only ones to pass have been the glocks and a M&P 40.
I am with several others when I say go try them both out, and choose the one that fits you.
Good Luck
Duo
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buy a glock 18 with a 50 round box and just aim in the general direction....
just kidding
both Glocks and Sigs are made by germans- (actually glock is austrian and sig is swiss, but all the good german gun makers who can't get a job at h&k or walther inevitably wind up there....i digress) so you know it'll last. if you buy a glock new you'll probably have to replace the sights (last i checked, the standard glock front sight was made of plastic) but if you buy it used it might already have been done. glock light weights have a nasty habbit of bitting their owners hands during target practice. if you don't want slide-bite get a sig- if you are skilled enough where you don't get slide-bite get a glock. i personaly am a fan of the philosophy "go full-size or go home" and would generally reccomend you get the glock 17, because if you can hide a glock 19 on your person you can probably also fit a glock 17. the 9mm glock sub-compact variant is the glock 26. the best thing about the glock series is that all of the larger same-caliber magazines will fit in the smaller pistols, the bottom of them will just stick out the magazine well. so if you can not hide a glock 17 or glock 19 on your person easily get the glock 26. (if you can't hide a glock 26 on your person....well you need to stop wearing such tight clothes...i've actually heard stories of gang mambers getting shot internally when they smuggled the G26 into jail in their bowels....granted i live a stones' throw away from Killadelphia, the city of brotherly loathing, so i've heard all sorts)
just kidding
both Glocks and Sigs are made by germans- (actually glock is austrian and sig is swiss, but all the good german gun makers who can't get a job at h&k or walther inevitably wind up there....i digress) so you know it'll last. if you buy a glock new you'll probably have to replace the sights (last i checked, the standard glock front sight was made of plastic) but if you buy it used it might already have been done. glock light weights have a nasty habbit of bitting their owners hands during target practice. if you don't want slide-bite get a sig- if you are skilled enough where you don't get slide-bite get a glock. i personaly am a fan of the philosophy "go full-size or go home" and would generally reccomend you get the glock 17, because if you can hide a glock 19 on your person you can probably also fit a glock 17. the 9mm glock sub-compact variant is the glock 26. the best thing about the glock series is that all of the larger same-caliber magazines will fit in the smaller pistols, the bottom of them will just stick out the magazine well. so if you can not hide a glock 17 or glock 19 on your person easily get the glock 26. (if you can't hide a glock 26 on your person....well you need to stop wearing such tight clothes...i've actually heard stories of gang mambers getting shot internally when they smuggled the G26 into jail in their bowels....granted i live a stones' throw away from Killadelphia, the city of brotherly loathing, so i've heard all sorts)
stogiegila
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I started with an XD and immediately traded it in for a Glock 19. I hated the XD. I couldn't shoot it well at all. I break it down as follows:
1. Are you the type of person who keeps a minimum number of weapons and looks at them as a tool or do you plan on collecting and having a nice inventory
2. Do you plan on carrying this gun daily
3. Which trigger do you prefer
To me Glocks are tools. They aren't pretty, but they are durable and get the job done. Their finish lasts forever and you don't have to worry about sweat and rusting. A Sig has more style, looks great and has a Mercedes Benz reputation.
If you plan on carrying it, a Glock is more comfortable. Its lighter, polymer is more comfortable against your skin than steel and you don't have to worry about sweating and rusting.
Glocks triggers are consistent, Sigs come in variations. Some people don't care for Glock triggers. I have no problem with them. But don't care for the weight of the Sig DA too much.
Sigs require more maintenance and special needs. They need to be clean and oiled. A Glock just needs to be a Glock.
All that being said....no matter how many Sigs, I've owned and sold off. I still get the craving to have one. But I carry a Glock.
Good luck on your search. If you can try them both out...do so and go with the one you like best. I'm sure you will end up with the other one down the road anyway.
1. Are you the type of person who keeps a minimum number of weapons and looks at them as a tool or do you plan on collecting and having a nice inventory
2. Do you plan on carrying this gun daily
3. Which trigger do you prefer
To me Glocks are tools. They aren't pretty, but they are durable and get the job done. Their finish lasts forever and you don't have to worry about sweat and rusting. A Sig has more style, looks great and has a Mercedes Benz reputation.
If you plan on carrying it, a Glock is more comfortable. Its lighter, polymer is more comfortable against your skin than steel and you don't have to worry about sweating and rusting.
Glocks triggers are consistent, Sigs come in variations. Some people don't care for Glock triggers. I have no problem with them. But don't care for the weight of the Sig DA too much.
Sigs require more maintenance and special needs. They need to be clean and oiled. A Glock just needs to be a Glock.
All that being said....no matter how many Sigs, I've owned and sold off. I still get the craving to have one. But I carry a Glock.
Good luck on your search. If you can try them both out...do so and go with the one you like best. I'm sure you will end up with the other one down the road anyway.
If have to get one or the other: glock
if you wonder which to get first: glock
if you want the simpler more straightforward design that has less parts that could fail: glock
if you think being able to detail strip it for a soup to nuts cleaning while watching tv in the dark now and again might come in handy: glock
if you want a gun that when empty weighs more than a glock 17 fully loaded with 17+1 rounds: sig
if you wonder which to get first: glock
if you want the simpler more straightforward design that has less parts that could fail: glock
if you think being able to detail strip it for a soup to nuts cleaning while watching tv in the dark now and again might come in handy: glock
if you want a gun that when empty weighs more than a glock 17 fully loaded with 17+1 rounds: sig
Autolycus
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Both are great guns. Choose the one that you like more. I was a Sig convert but my Glocks are growing on me. As far as caliber goes, I would recommend that you fire both and choose the one you shoot better. For me that is the 9mm.
I have a couple glocks 19 and 26 and a P229.
They are all good guns and are all up to the task. The sig was too big and heavy for a carry gun. In terms of defensive shooting it had no real practical advantage over the g19 and cost a fair ammount more.
The 26 is only slightly smaller and some would argue doesn't offer than much in terms of size advantage over a g19. They might be right. It is a bit smaller though and still easy to shoot well.
You cannot go wrong either way. Go shoot both and see what you like more. They are different enough that subjectively one might find one to be "better". They are IME both solid reliable and accurate guns that will do their job if you do yours. I would not feel bad with either one. I plan to buy another sig (maybe multiple) and I am keeping an eye out for a deal on a G20 or 29 and maybe a 27.
They are all good guns and are all up to the task. The sig was too big and heavy for a carry gun. In terms of defensive shooting it had no real practical advantage over the g19 and cost a fair ammount more.
The 26 is only slightly smaller and some would argue doesn't offer than much in terms of size advantage over a g19. They might be right. It is a bit smaller though and still easy to shoot well.
You cannot go wrong either way. Go shoot both and see what you like more. They are different enough that subjectively one might find one to be "better". They are IME both solid reliable and accurate guns that will do their job if you do yours. I would not feel bad with either one. I plan to buy another sig (maybe multiple) and I am keeping an eye out for a deal on a G20 or 29 and maybe a 27.
OK: You do get a second chance, all service caliber weapons aren't shotguns, and, require multiple hits on target, with our drugged out bad guys these days. If you want to get something that actually has a chance of really being a better stopping gun, you need to get outside the box.
Glock will do that with the 29 and 30 for CCW. 10MM, and, a 30 converted for 45 Super actually do give you a chance of stopping the fight quicker.
.357 Sig does give you a .357 in an auto, as does the Glock 33, but, they are a step down from the 10MM and the 45 Super.
Glocks are very good carry guns, since they tend to be about as light as you can get, and CCW, though kind of boxy, they do carry a potent punch. I think they are really 200 dollar guns, with bad triggers, and undersupported barrels, that screw up brass.
Sigs are a much higher quality gun, but, they are more expensive, come with a bad first shot trigger, and, caliber wise, don't offer much, yet are pretty big and heavy.
I think you really should shoot the 1911 for awhile, then you won't even want a plastic gun anymore, and, you can search for the perfect 1911 to convert to 45 Super, and still conceal...Or, get a 10MM 1911, but, you need to find it, not me tell you which one.
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Sig.
Never a Glock for me.
Luke
Never a Glock for me.
Luke
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I was at the gun show today looking at things I can't afford when a man brought back a brand new 229 Sig Elite DARK with a lot of problems. He stated to the sales man that he bought the gun Saturday (yesterday), took it home to clean it and go shooting today (Sunday) and he found the following:
1. Extreme barrel wear.
2. nick in the rear right hand side of the sight.
3. A rainbow type finish on the inside of the slide.
4. On the inside top ofthe slide there wasn't any blueing at all.
WOW, The sales man looked at other Sigs there and found two other pistols with similar defects.
I guess the rumors are correct about Sigs attention to detail and care/inspection of their pistols and this was an Elite model
I won't be buying any Sigs anytime soon
1. Extreme barrel wear.
2. nick in the rear right hand side of the sight.
3. A rainbow type finish on the inside of the slide.
4. On the inside top ofthe slide there wasn't any blueing at all.
WOW, The sales man looked at other Sigs there and found two other pistols with similar defects.
I guess the rumors are correct about Sigs attention to detail and care/inspection of their pistols and this was an Elite model
I won't be buying any Sigs anytime soon
Gee....looking at my handle ......
it's rather obvious that i LOVE Sigs ! I have the P220 in .45 and the Sig Pro 2022 in .40. Glocks are a 7 or and 8,and Sigs are a 9 or 10.
With that being said,Glocks are definately more durable in harsh conditions and enviorments. But Sigs have a better trigger pull,handle better,and are more accurate.The elite of the elite ,carry mostly Sigs..I man that really,really knows his " stuff " will usually go for the Sig. P220 becuase it is the best of all Sigs. and has the .45 cal. knockdown power.
Glock may be the " Hummer " of all pistols,but the Sig. without a doubt,is the " Ferrari " of combat pistols !
it's rather obvious that i LOVE Sigs ! I have the P220 in .45 and the Sig Pro 2022 in .40. Glocks are a 7 or and 8,and Sigs are a 9 or 10.
With that being said,Glocks are definately more durable in harsh conditions and enviorments. But Sigs have a better trigger pull,handle better,and are more accurate.The elite of the elite ,carry mostly Sigs..I man that really,really knows his " stuff " will usually go for the Sig. P220 becuase it is the best of all Sigs. and has the .45 cal. knockdown power.
Glock may be the " Hummer " of all pistols,but the Sig. without a doubt,is the " Ferrari " of combat pistols !
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I have a new Sig P220 and it has been absolutely gold in every way.
The fit and finish are perfect. I've put about 800 rds of assorted ammo thru it without a single malfunction. And it is super accurate. My wife who is 5'4" 110 lbs loves this pistol and is very good with it.
As you can tell, I'm very pleased with the pistol. I'd say go with the Sig.
And not to hijack the thread, but I saw Ghostrider_23's post at another forum today. That made me wonder how often we see internet threads that criticize certain gun makers/models.
No offense to you, Ghostrider; I'm not picking on you. And for what it's worth, I don't blame you for cross-posting about a Sig problem. Still, based on what you saw, that sounds like a hasty generalization. Moreover, there are so many threads like this on gun forums that it gives the wrong impression to many folks. It takes a problem with one handgun and magnifies that problem exponentially.
I have a new Sig P220 and it has been absolutely gold in every way.
The fit and finish are perfect. I've put about 800 rds of assorted ammo thru it without a single malfunction. And it is super accurate. My wife who is 5'4" 110 lbs loves this pistol and is very good with it.
As you can tell, I'm very pleased with the pistol. I'd say go with the Sig.
And not to hijack the thread, but I saw Ghostrider_23's post at another forum today. That made me wonder how often we see internet threads that criticize certain gun makers/models.
No offense to you, Ghostrider; I'm not picking on you. And for what it's worth, I don't blame you for cross-posting about a Sig problem. Still, based on what you saw, that sounds like a hasty generalization. Moreover, there are so many threads like this on gun forums that it gives the wrong impression to many folks. It takes a problem with one handgun and magnifies that problem exponentially.
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Hey Prosser !
I ,and i'm sure a hell of alot of other Sig. users, will adimately disagree about Sigs haveing a bad first trigger/DA pull !!!
A.A.M.O.F., Sigs are very famous for having " the " best trigger pull only after the much vuanted 1911 !
Sig Pro's 2022 are shear butter !!
And my P220 is very ,very smooth also !!!
I ,and i'm sure a hell of alot of other Sig. users, will adimately disagree about Sigs haveing a bad first trigger/DA pull !!!
A.A.M.O.F., Sigs are very famous for having " the " best trigger pull only after the much vuanted 1911 !
Sig Pro's 2022 are shear butter !!
And my P220 is very ,very smooth also !!!
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i never cared much for the sig triggers. smooth but nothing special. cant go wrong with a glock.
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Recoil is not bad at all on a glock 27. Easy to handle with or without pearce grip ext.
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