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My friend is a huge Glock fan. When I showed him the attached picture that I found in a different thread on THR, this was our coversation:

Him: That's the only Glock that has ever broken. Some guy in Iraq ran it over with a tank.
Me: How did he get a Glock in Iraq?
Him: He brought it.
Me: You can't bring your own guns. They give you everything you can bring (My dad is a readiness flight chief who confirmed this)
Him: Well then it must have been issued to him. They issue a full-auto Glock 18 to everybody in Iraq, just like in Call of Duty.
Me: The only pistols they issues are the M1911 to special groups, M9, and the M11, a smaller version of the M9.
Him: You are wrong.

I realize that neither of us are experts, so let me ask the experts here.
1. Does the United States military issue any form of a Glock to deployed soldiers?
2. What happened to this Glock?

Thanks for all your help.

Z
 

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That particular Glock probably blew up either from someone using the wrong ammo or from using reloads. The problem with using reloads in a Glock is that the chamber has some amount of play, which is why they are so reliable. the casings expand in a Glock causing them to weaken after one or two or three reloads, BOOM, You get an explosion. There was also some reported cases of people using 45acp in 45gap or vice versa and getting similar results.
 
I highly doubt that particular Glock was a KaBoom. It could be, but if it was, it almost certainly took the guys hand off in the process...
As to seeing service with US troops, maybe, but only spec ops I would think, though many many contractors choose to carry them...
 
I don't know about any more but I do know that certain special forces are allowed more variety when picking their firearms. I have a buddy who is an EOD that works with the SEALS and he says that some of the guys use Sigs. With that being said, I doubt a Glock is far fetched.
 
M-11s ARE Sigs, not 'small Berettas'. No, you can't take your own guns. (If ONLY we were allowed to.)

Look, all machines eventually fail. It's a question of the likelihood of WHEN. What you like to shoot is a matter of preference, but most people, using the correct (jacketed) ammo will never hurt a Glock no matter how hard they try.
 
From the photo that is a 2nd gen Glock so I would doubt that would have been issued. I have heard that Glock 17s are being issued to the Iraqi police (not a 100% on that), but thats what i heard. Maybe one you guys can confirm this or not?
 
Users

* Australia: Royal Australian Air Force (Glock 19), Australian Customs (Glock 17), and all Australian police services (Glock 17, 19, 22, 23, 26, 27) except the South Australia Police and Victoria Police. A Glock 17 outfitted with a thumb safety was designed specifically for the Tasmania Police.[46]
* Austria: Austrian Armed Forces (Glock 17 designated Pistole 80).[47][48]
* Belgium: Belgian police (Glock 17),[48] Belgian State Security Service.[49]
* Canada: Numerous local law enforcement agencies to include: Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, Saskatoon, South Coast British Columbia Transportation Authority Police Service, Toronto.[48]
* Ecuador: National Police, various special police units such as the GOE and GIR.[48]
* Fiji: Tactical Response Unit.[50]
* Finland: The primary service firearm of the police.[51] Also in use by the Defence Forces, Department of Corrections (Vankeinhoitolaitos) and Border Guard.[52]
* France: French Army—certain naval and parachute units (Glock 17).[53]
* Georgia: Special forces.[48]
* Germany: GSG 9 of the German Federal Police,[48] Spezialeinsatzkommandos (special response teams) of several state police departments.
* Greenland: Used by Siriuspatruljen (Glock 20) [54]
* Hong Kong: Special Duties Unit, Hong Kong Police Force.[48]
* Iceland: Icelandic National Police, Víkingasveitin, ICRU.[55][56][57]
* India: National Security Guards (Glock 17).[48]
* Iraq: Iraqi security forces (largest user, purchased 125,163 Glock 19s).[58]
* Jordan: Presidential Guard.[48]
* Latvia: Latvian Military (Glock 17), police.[59]
* Lebanon: Used by various police and army units.[citation needed]
* Lithuania: Lithuanian Armed Forces (Glock 17).[60]
* Luxembourg: Glock 17 and 26 variants used by the Unité Spéciale de la Police of the Grand Ducal Police.[61][62]
* Malaysia: Various forces of Malaysian Armed Forces and Royal Malaysian Police units.[63]
* Mexico: Secretaria de Marina.[48]
* Montenegro: Military of Montenegro [64]
* Netherlands: Military of the Netherlands (Glock 17),[65] Dutch police (Glock 17, about 250 pistols in use as a stopgap measure).[66][67][68]
* New Zealand: New Zealand Police (Glock 17).[69]
* Norway: Royal Norwegian Army (Glock 17 designated P-80).[48]
* Philippines: Philippine National Police, National Bureau of Investigation (NBI), National Intelligence Coordinating Agency (NICA), Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency (PDEA).[48]
* Poland: Polish police,[70] Polish Military Police (Glock 17).
* Russia: Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD).[71][72]
* Spain: Guardia Civil's UEI (Glock 17).[73]
* Sweden: Swedish Armed Forces (Glock 17 designated Pistol 88 and Glock 19 as Pistol 88B,[74][75]) Swedish Customs Service, Swedish Coast Guard.
* Switzerland : Police (Gendarmerie) Cantonal of Geneva are equipped with the Glock 19[76] The Glarus Cantonal Police also use the Glock 19.
* Thailand: Policeman in 3 south province by G2G buying condition. (Glock 19, 2,238 pcs.) and some policeman, soldier and citizen nationwide. (some models)[48]
* United Kingdom: Greater Manchester Police, Tactical Firearms Unit Specialist Firearms Command of the London Metropolitan Police Service,[77] Police Service of Northern Ireland and certain Scottish Police Specialist Firearms Units (Glock 17).[78]
* United States: Federal Bureau of Investigation, Department of Treasury IRS Criminal Investigation Division,[79] DEA,[80] EPA Criminal Investigation Division, New York City Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Philadelphia Police Department, thousands of other agencies at the national, state, and local levels.
* Venezuela[48]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_pistol
 
^^^yep. exactly right.

reaper's also right about our military using glocks. i've talked with several folks that just got back from iraq, and although they must carry what issued, they may also carry what they personally own. (most choose g17/19's)
 
They issue a full-auto Glock 18 to everybody in Iraq, just like in Call of Duty.
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While this is obviously BS, the pistol that was taken off of Saddam Hussein when he was captured was a Glock model 18C.

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Bush's war treasure: Saddam's pistol
By DON VAN NATTA Jr.
NEW YORK TIMES
07/06/2009

Many American presidents have kept prized possessions within reach during their White House years. Franklin D. Roosevelt cherished a 19th century ship model of the USS Constitution. One of Dwight D. Eisenhower's favorite gifts was an engraved Steuben glass bowl from his Cabinet. And sitting on John F. Kennedy's desk in the Oval Office was a coconut shell he had carved with a distress message after his PT-109 was sunk during World War II.

The objects have been bequeathed to the American public, accessible through a visit to each man's presidential library and museum.

And so when the library for George W. Bush opens in 2013 on the campus of Southern Methodist University in Dallas, visitors will most likely get to see one of his most treasured items: Saddam Hussein's pistol.

The gun, a 9 mm Glock 18C, was found in the spider hole where the Iraqi leader was captured in December 2003 by Delta Force soldiers, four of whom later presented the pistol to Bush. Among the thousands of gifts he received as president, the gun became a favorite, a reminder of the pinnacle moment of the Iraq war, according to friends and longtime associates.


Before Bush left the White House in January, he made arrangements for the gun to be shipped to a National Archives warehouse just 18 miles north of his new home in Dallas.

For nearly five years, Bush kept the mounted, glass-encased pistol in the Oval Office or a study, showing it with pride, especially to military officials, they said. He also let visitors i.

"We were getting ready to leave the Oval Office, and he told us, 'Wait a minute, guys, I want to show you something,'" recalled Pete Hegseth, chairman of Vets for Freedom, who described a July 2007 visit. "The president moved back into his private study, and he came out with the gun, inside this glass case. He said, 'The Delta guys pulled it off Saddam.' He was very proud of it."

Bush also showed Hegseth another item: a brick from the Iraqi safe house where the al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed by an U.S. airstrike in 2006.

The gun is one of 40,000 artifacts and gifts the Bushes had collected, including the bullhorn Bush used to address rescue workers at ground zero and a special-edition Cooperstown baseball bat signed by every living Hall of Famer.

Douglas Brinkley, an author and Rice University history professor, said the pistol opened a psychological window into Bush's view of his presidency.

"It represents this Texas notion of the white hats taking out the black hats and keeping the trophy," Brinkley said.

"For President Bush, this pistol represents his greatest moment of triumph, like the FBI keeping Dillinger's gun. H wants people generations from now to see the gun and say, 'He got the bad guy.'"
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You guys are letting Glocks turn your minds to mush...That Glock had a KA-BOOM...Whether it was from a reload or factory round has little to do with it. It went KA-BOOM more then likely from a negligent operator...Ran over by a tank? Give me a break...

As far as the U.S. military issuing Glocks to the GIs is possible but highly unlikely due to the fact that I can't use the parts from your [no longer needed] gun to repair mine in the field. Then there is the ammunition compatibility problem.
 
When i was in the Marine corps in Desert Storm i carried a .45 i brought with along with my M16. It happens all the time. My CO knew about it and even had dibs on it if i got wacked LOL.
 
As far as the U.S. military issuing Glocks to the GIs is possible but highly unlikely due to the fact that I can't use the parts from your [no longer needed] gun to repair mine in the field. Then there is the ammunition compatibility problem.
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Did you read the thread?
 
I understood that those training Iraqi Police in weapons carry Glock the same as the natives. That only makes sense to use the same as those you instruct are issued.


reaper's also right about our military using glocks. i've talked with several folks that just got back from iraq, and although they must carry what issued, they may also carry what they personally own. (most choose g17/19's)
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I don't understand that statement. Are they buying guns they own over there or bringing them along from the states?
 
The problem with using reloads in a Glock is that the chamber has some amount of play, which is why they are so reliable. the casings expand in a Glock causing them to weaken after one or two or three reloads, BOOM, You get an explosion. There was also some reported cases of people using 45acp in 45gap or vice versa and getting similar results.
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No. Thats an internet myth that keeps going. Many of us have cases that we have reloaded way more than 10 times without a problem, shot through a glock. All of mine were with lead bullets too. No kaboom there either. Gap vs ACP is a moot issue. Same pressures, same bullets if you could get a gap in an acp gun and it fired it wouldnt hurt anything. Like getting a 40 to hang off the extractor and fire in a 10mm.
 
ljnowell said:
No. Thats an internet myth that keeps going. Many of us have cases that we have reloaded way more than 10 times without a problem, shot through a glock. All of mine were with lead bullets too. No kaboom there either. Gap vs ACP is a moot issue. Same pressures, same bullets if you could get a gap in an acp gun and it fired it wouldnt hurt anything. Like getting a 40 to hang off the extractor and fire in a 10mm.
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I am trying to find the article but disassemble the Glock and remove the barrel and notice how much play there is in the chamber. It has nothing to do with the chamber not being totally supported, that is where the myth comes into play.
 
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