I've been debating getting a G3c or a Gx4 but already have a G2c which I love. My real issue is do I want to spend the money on the newer Taurus pistols or purchase the 1720s French Cavalry pistol I've been eyeballing for a while........
Glock vs Taurus.
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kerreckt
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My son and I both carry GX4TOROs. Mine has been flawless. My son's had a problem with not staying locked back after final round. It would slam shut when set down. It was sent back to Taurus and fixed with an eight day turn around time including the day it was sent. They emailed me a FedEx label for the return. The Taurus service was very responsive with good communications. Other than that it has been excellent. Both pistols have each been fired over one thousand times. No other failures at all. These both have Holosun HE507K-GR sights installed. These setups cost about $600/each by finding the best deals available. I consider this an excellent carry arrangement. Especially for my 68 year eyes. Taurus has really upped their game.
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People have hated Taurus as long as I remember. Back to at least 2000. Their semi autos were compared to the ring of fire guns even. Lol. Pretty much the only Taurus people would not hate on if you owned it was the Raging Bull/Hornet and occasionally the Beretta clones. Before the tracker 410/Judge came along, most everyone hated Taurus some reason. Im sure you can find internet bashing dating back to well before 2013. I could probably dig up some old magazines from the 90s bashing them as well. Personally ive never seen any issue but I don't like their guns much. I have a few of their revolvers that worked fine though. And the two semi auto i mentioned. My dad carries a 9mm Taurus too. Worst trigger I've seen but the gun has ran fine.
The funny thing about Glock is that they fit most people. Those who they don't fit hate them. The most 2x4 shaped grip in history would have to be the USP. And nobody ever calls them 2x4 or Brick shaped. Lol
I used to like watching the old torture tests, SA actually did the same and did as well. If only Glock had a better trigger, they are pretty bullet proof.
Years ago I sent in a few Sigs ad they paid the shipping. Times change
SW used to be the best, now I think Ruger has the best CS!
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Sig pays shipping for 3 years on new guns and 1 on CPO. Then it's on you.
Smith was pretty good CS on the last 3 I had that didn't run (which didn't say a lot for QC). Had never had a Smith break until the past 2 years. Mossberg was great too. Glock is well known to be great CS. No questions and they pretty much just rebuild your whole gun. Easy to do so when the most expensive part is 10 dollars and there are only a handful of parts total to begin with. Nobody ive dealt with other than Sig ever charged shipping. BUT I never dealt with Taurus either. So idk.
Until just now I'd never heard of a USP. If it indeed has a 2x4 grip I wouldn't choose it ether. I don't hate Glocks they just aren't comfortable in my hand so I choose to use something else.
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FYI: The Heckler Koch (HK) USP is an iconic handgun that has been in military and L.E. service around the world for decades. IMHO, the grip is better than Glock and nothing to really complain about. Not better than a CZ 75 or the HK P30, but it's not as bad as a Glock.
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I don't blame you. Too many good options these days to use anything you don't like.
The USP somehow got mythical status back in the 90s. The super dooperest most tacticalest handgun for true battle hardened special operators ever. Lol.
They were good guns though. But they were loved by many for no reason....just like the Taurus was hated for no reason by most. (Of course some had a reason I'm sure. But you get more "friend of a friends uncle had one" stories than you get "I have one" stories) But the actual dimensions and shape of the grip are more like a brick/ 2x4 than any other gun ive owned. They also have 50 dollar all plastic magazines and 80 dollar Recoil spring assemblies. Lol
There's the last 2 I bought.those are Plain Jane USP. They made specials like the MK23/Elite/match/tactical etc as well as a "compact" which, like Glocks "compact", only meant it was more compact then their full size. Not compact compared to any other gun. Glock calling the 29 and 30 ""Sub-compact" is still pretty comical to me. The grips are pretty Glock like but sharper more squared corners.
I was never an H&K fan so I just never bothered to look at them. Prior to the 2000s all my interests were cap & ball or milsurp (pre 1980s) firearms, didn't start buying "modern" pistols until a few years ago.
I remember reading a long time ago by a reviewer who claimed the CZ52 was like holding a 2x4 with a mouse trap attached to it........ It was my first milsurp and fit my hand like a glove, everyone's hands are different so I don't knock other people's choices. Granted having some light hearted back and forth banter with others choices can be fun, unfortunately there are those who fit my sig line......... Ya can't joke around with them.
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Physically measure that grip and measure the corner angles and compare to a brick a Glock and a 2x4. Its simply more 2x4/Brick shape than a Glock. Especially a 3 or 4. No Brick or 2x4 ive ever nailed up or laid had finger grooves. There are also far more Glock in service than USP ever was. One nearby city to me had USP. I could list thousands with Glock and many with P series Sig or Beretta.
I have them too. I posted a couple. But i don't feel it was better at anything than anything made at the same time IMO. The sig p series, The Glock, and even the Beretta were just as good and you can still find thousands of all those in service today. The USP is pretty rare to see. The newer HK actually are ergonomic.
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I would not be one to make this comparison. Had a Taurus beretta clone many years ago. Should have kept that one. Had a couple of there revolvers. The 22 was good the .357 was not. My Glock purchases were, 26, 19, and 17. The third generation 17 spit brass in my face every time I pulled the trigger. All three were uglier than a mud fence. All are long gone as I can not rap my head around plastic, except for a lone Sig P365 that I carry.
A better comparison would be the Glock 43X or Glock 26.
You know what caused Taurus to up their Quality Control? Settling a $30mil lawsuit over their guns firing when shaken.
Jump to 1 minute 7 seconds:
https://www.thetrace.org/2015/11/video-accidental-shooting-taurus-lawsuit/
https://gunaccidentjournal.net/2021/01/18/the-taurus-pistol-defect/
You know what caused Taurus to up their Quality Control? Settling a $30mil lawsuit over their guns firing when shaken.
Jump to 1 minute 7 seconds:
https://www.thetrace.org/2015/11/video-accidental-shooting-taurus-lawsuit/
https://gunaccidentjournal.net/2021/01/18/the-taurus-pistol-defect/
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I don't go by what I read about Taurus failures, I believe their rush to get into the polymer field produced a lot of flawed and manufactured designs. None of my Taurus guns, all pre-90's have ever needed service. Same with the TX22's and the G3 I bought. The first TX22 went 2010 rounds before a CCI dud round. The G3 has yet to malfunction on anything I loaded it with. I fired a Friends G2C quite a bit and I would say it's a very good carry piece. I am a CZ fanatic, but I think Taurus has gotten a real good handle on it's firearms of late.
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One thing I would advise is replacing the plastic magazine retention switch with a metal one from lakeline llc if you go with the Taurus. They quit making the one for a G2. Plastic mag switches tend to wear out and make your mag self extracting.
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I simply quoted kje54 to say that the HK USP was and still is an iconic handgun that's used by L.E. and military because kje54 never heard of them before today. The USP is still in service with dozens of military/L.E. services around the world, and is well liked and respected by most in the firearm community. Me saying this somehow trigger a "versus" response from you with how many guns Glock, Beretta, etc sold in comparison, and how many are still in service. This seems like a very sensitive subject for you and you have some pinned up hostility towards HK that causes you to go into attack and defense mode.
As far as the grip is concerned, that's a matter of opinion and yours is as good as mine. It's not my opinion that the grip is shaped like or at least feels like a brick to me. The back has a slight curvature to it, the edges are rounded, and it doesn't feel as bad in my hand vs Glocks. I was just offering an alternative point of view and opinion to kje54 about a gun he has no experience with.
I am not interested into getting into a back and forth HK vs Glock vs Beretta pissing match with you. They all are great, dependable, and highly thought of handguns. It's a matter of personal preference when it comes to which is better depending on that features are desired.
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I posted just two of my USP. I like the USP and said they were great guns. I believe them to be a better made (if over built) gun than the others. Just no better than them in real world use and obsolete compared to newer better feeling guns, including some from HK.
Between your pictures and mine one can decide for themselves what the grip is shaped like. But when people say the Glock is shaped like a brick or 2x4 and the USP is the perfect gun, I have to wonder if they ever laid a brick or built a home. Anymore it's not much argument but back around 2000 our county had Glock 21 (my least favorite feeling Glocks) and the neighboring city had the USP. So I heard the arguing a good bit.
I'm also surprised that anyone is unfamiliar with the USP. Perhaps we show our age.
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That's a matter of opinion. I believe other handguns feel better in the hand, but I don't see the USP as being obsolete. We can agree to disagree and respect each other's opinion.
I don't recall saying "Glock is shaped like a brick or 2x4" or the "USP is the perfect gun." You are the only person who initially brought up the USP, and no one in this thread mentioned anything of a sort. Just a guess - seems like you had a heated debate in the past with people who think Glocks are inferior, and you are trying to continue that debate here with me?
Can we please get back on the topic of Taurus Gx4 vs Glock 43???
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I've owned one Taurus, when I die I will still have only owned one Taurus.
It was junk. Magazines were hard to come by, it felt like a brick, it wasn't reliable.
There's nothing Taurus sell that I have any interest in.
The only person on defensivecarry.com whose opinion I would put any weight behind is Bad Bob and he's got no use for Taurus.
The fact that they don't offer much of a warranty and that it takes forever to get them to do any warranty work is very telling to me.
If you want to bet your life on a Taurus knock yourself out. You will never find one in my gun safe
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Unfortunate you feel that way. Will miss out on some really good offerings. Maybe give them another look sometime in the future.
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I haven't bought a new gun in 5 years. Odds are a Taurus is not in my future
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1. I actually own 4; a PT145, a PT1911, a G2C, and a Gx4.
2. I tried both grip inserts, the thicker one fits my hand better.
3. My only problem with the mags is not enough 13 rounders are around; they ship with one 13 and one ten rounder. The ten rounder is a bit short, my pinky curls under it.
Every gun maker has had rough patches and problems. Those who completely shun a brand because of a bad experience, or snobbery, or whatever reason do themselves a disservice, but most brand self correct or go under. Taurus has more than corrected their past mistakes, and put out good serviceable guns, and back them with good customer service.
2. I tried both grip inserts, the thicker one fits my hand better.
3. My only problem with the mags is not enough 13 rounders are around; they ship with one 13 and one ten rounder. The ten rounder is a bit short, my pinky curls under it.
Every gun maker has had rough patches and problems. Those who completely shun a brand because of a bad experience, or snobbery, or whatever reason do themselves a disservice, but most brand self correct or go under. Taurus has more than corrected their past mistakes, and put out good serviceable guns, and back them with good customer service.
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