Gunsarefun
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My 100s I shot 4 times haha
Thanks for the idea wntfw!
Thanks for the idea wntfw!
Good Accuracy?
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scythefwd
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33 - I have seen sub 1.5 moa groupings out of a target 22 using irons. They didn't shrink when he went to aperture sights, but that is a freak of nature type thing right there. His groups only got slightly larger using his other rifle. The best rifle he had was a anschutz... the second was a winchester 52D. Both are considered the gold standard for accuracy (and the annie DID take gold... great uncle bought it from the olympian himself).
FlyinBryan
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lol, that makes more sense!!!
well, the way i see it, verticle, square, or reuleaux triangle,,,, 1/2" @ 50yd with irons is stellar shooting.
very good.
well, the way i see it, verticle, square, or reuleaux triangle,,,, 1/2" @ 50yd with irons is stellar shooting.
very good.
Gunsarefun,
If you can see each shot after you shoot the feedback is instant and more useful. Spotting scope, binos etc. Just don't use a rifle for safety reasons. the other thing is after a bull or aiming black becomes congested with holes and you can't tell what your shots are doing move to a fresh target so the feedback correlates on a shot by shot basis.
If you can see each shot after you shoot the feedback is instant and more useful. Spotting scope, binos etc. Just don't use a rifle for safety reasons. the other thing is after a bull or aiming black becomes congested with holes and you can't tell what your shots are doing move to a fresh target so the feedback correlates on a shot by shot basis.
If you get a scope for your .22 LR, consider one that has parallax correction for 50 yards, unless all your shooting is beyond 75 yards. Most centerfire rifle scopes are adjusted for 100-150 yards, otherwise, under 100 yards, the reticle moves around on the target unless the eye is exactly centered for each shot. That doesn't enhance accuracy.
Jeff56,
Most of your ranting type post seem to be about going off half cocked and insulting a broad spectrum of fellow members. You seem to think no one here has any experience or has made observations.
One minute you are incensed because people believe whatever they read on the internet. Sorry if it offends you that I don't believe what you post just because you posted it.
I'm not real good a having it both ways. So just add me to your ignore list of handle whatever you need to handle the way you deem necessary.
Let's co-exist!
Most of your ranting type post seem to be about going off half cocked and insulting a broad spectrum of fellow members. You seem to think no one here has any experience or has made observations.
One minute you are incensed because people believe whatever they read on the internet. Sorry if it offends you that I don't believe what you post just because you posted it.
I'm not real good a having it both ways. So just add me to your ignore list of handle whatever you need to handle the way you deem necessary.
Let's co-exist!
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
How does a 60yr old man even see a hawk at 1000yds, let alone hit one using iron sights? Even if your aim, holdover and wind adjustment was PERFECT, odds of actually hitting the bird, which would not be more than 6-8" wide, would be dismal. Sorry Jeff but you get less and less credible with every post.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
Of course, 200yds may seem like a thousand to a 10yr old. 
I have pulled targets with Gallagher. No need to verify her abilities.
What you need to understand is when we shoot that 1000 yrd target, you can't really see the 10" x-ring with your naked eye. What you see is a FIVE FOOT WIDE black dot on a 72" WHITE background. i.e. extremely high contrast.
Further, that black dot appears not coincidentally about the same width as the front sight post on the service rifle so you can line it up. not so much for hawks.
While your eye naturally centers itself in the rear aperture to an extent, THE challenge in shooting is aligning the BLURRY (because you're focusing on the front sight) black bullseye perfectly with the front sight post both vertically and horizontally.
hawks, in my experience, are not quite so high contrast as nature has a habit of making predators difficult to see, especially sitting in tree tops. I think it's HIGHLY unlikely that someone with even exceptional vision could see a hawk in a tree top at 1000 yrds well enough to aim at it, and even more unlikely that they could do so while focusing on the front sight.
and at the same time, be able to center what would be a blurry hawk roughly 1/10th the width of the front sight post in the exact center of the front sight post.
beyond that, there are about a dozen other factors that make that an extremely difficult shot. for example, in NRA HP, we get several sighters and someone to pull and mark the target so you can tell where you missed and correct for it before you start shooting the 20 shots for record. Your friend would not be able to see where his shots were going because there would be no visible impacts in the tree tops, and no one down range to see them anyway.
What you need to understand is when we shoot that 1000 yrd target, you can't really see the 10" x-ring with your naked eye. What you see is a FIVE FOOT WIDE black dot on a 72" WHITE background. i.e. extremely high contrast.
Further, that black dot appears not coincidentally about the same width as the front sight post on the service rifle so you can line it up. not so much for hawks.
While your eye naturally centers itself in the rear aperture to an extent, THE challenge in shooting is aligning the BLURRY (because you're focusing on the front sight) black bullseye perfectly with the front sight post both vertically and horizontally.
hawks, in my experience, are not quite so high contrast as nature has a habit of making predators difficult to see, especially sitting in tree tops. I think it's HIGHLY unlikely that someone with even exceptional vision could see a hawk in a tree top at 1000 yrds well enough to aim at it, and even more unlikely that they could do so while focusing on the front sight.
and at the same time, be able to center what would be a blurry hawk roughly 1/10th the width of the front sight post in the exact center of the front sight post.
beyond that, there are about a dozen other factors that make that an extremely difficult shot. for example, in NRA HP, we get several sighters and someone to pull and mark the target so you can tell where you missed and correct for it before you start shooting the 20 shots for record. Your friend would not be able to see where his shots were going because there would be no visible impacts in the tree tops, and no one down range to see them anyway.
Taliv,
I agree.
To add to your HP remark. In HP we also use a rifle, target, distance, etc that is repeated monthly by many and more often by many other shooters. It is the 'same' shot over and over. We get to knit pick about the conditions. Even a photograph from the 600yd line looks a little better than being there in person. Not too mention the shipping container, portalet and pickup down there is not easily seen in some conditions.
Today I saw a hawk land in a tree. It was not all that visible. I looked down at the base and I was definitley less than 200 yards. away. I hunted a lot of birds in my youth with an air rifle. I have also shot with a lot a great shots that didn't live up to the hype. I can out shoot a lot of people, but at a high power match I am an also ran. I am not 60 yet either.
Sorry I don't think the guy did it much less with any regularity at all.
I agree.
To add to your HP remark. In HP we also use a rifle, target, distance, etc that is repeated monthly by many and more often by many other shooters. It is the 'same' shot over and over. We get to knit pick about the conditions. Even a photograph from the 600yd line looks a little better than being there in person. Not too mention the shipping container, portalet and pickup down there is not easily seen in some conditions.
Today I saw a hawk land in a tree. It was not all that visible. I looked down at the base and I was definitley less than 200 yards. away. I hunted a lot of birds in my youth with an air rifle. I have also shot with a lot a great shots that didn't live up to the hype. I can out shoot a lot of people, but at a high power match I am an also ran. I am not 60 yet either.
Sorry I don't think the guy did it much less with any regularity at all.
I'm going to give Jeff the benefit of the doubt and say he really did see a man shoot a hawk in a treetop.
Where I am not giving him the benefit of the doubt is the actual distance of the hawk. Jeff, how do you know it was 1000 yards? Did you or the man measure it? You say you were both driving along in a car, did you just get back in the car and continue on or did you then pace off the distance to the exact tree where the hawk was? Did you retrieve the dead hawk? If not, how do you know he even hit it? A round going anywhere near any bird is going to make it fly off, and hawks often dive out of tree tops which could appear to be like it fell out of the tree.
There are just too many questions for an incident that happened, what?, 40 or more years ago? I have no doubt that the event is etched in your memory, but honestly memories do change, and the facts at the time may not have been as they seemed to you.
Where I am not giving him the benefit of the doubt is the actual distance of the hawk. Jeff, how do you know it was 1000 yards? Did you or the man measure it? You say you were both driving along in a car, did you just get back in the car and continue on or did you then pace off the distance to the exact tree where the hawk was? Did you retrieve the dead hawk? If not, how do you know he even hit it? A round going anywhere near any bird is going to make it fly off, and hawks often dive out of tree tops which could appear to be like it fell out of the tree.
There are just too many questions for an incident that happened, what?, 40 or more years ago? I have no doubt that the event is etched in your memory, but honestly memories do change, and the facts at the time may not have been as they seemed to you.
keep the iron start shooting fun stuff like primers out of a empty shot gun shell EMPTY. Or clay piggons that some one is throughing for you. this will keep your head in the game just please stay safe most of the guys on here have had a 22 in their hands since they were 4 or 5 and and i would say not half of them coould have done that well including myself.
join a club like a rifel team with your age group. darn good job!!!!!
join a club like a rifel team with your age group. darn good job!!!!!
rbernie
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Since you decided to air this grievance in public, I will address it in public.
This is the Internet, full of anonymous folk. Some Internet denizens are of good and virtuous stock, while others occasionally like to embellish the truth or even flatly spread disinformation. It is not unreasonable for members of this forum (even those who also act as Moderators) to question claims and seek qualifications and proof for incredible statements.
Don't take it personally, because it's not about you. Nobody knows you. And, in the absence of knowing you, they seek to understand and rationalize your claims based upon reality as they know it.
If the strain of being asked to substantiate your personal claims is too onerous for you, then perhaps Internet forums (even one as well-mannered as THR) are not the best place for you to hang your virtual hat.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
I don't attack you personally, Jeff. You may take it that way but that's not what's happening. You make claims I don't agree with, or think are based on heresay and I challenge you. I challenge your knowledge. I don't attack YOU. That's what YOU do. That's what you've done here. In a thread where half a dozen people question the fantastical claims you've made, where once again, you fail to prove anything, you, once again, make it personal. There is no way in hell you can expect to make the claim you made here and not to be challenged to prove it. If you don't realize how fantastic your claims are, then you're not as knowledgeable as I thought. And in case you haven't noticed, you're not in the parking lot of the local shooting range jawing with Billy Bob that shoots once a year.
PS, I tried making peace with you but you would not have it. So I will continue to challenge your posts when they are clearly based solely on bias and heresay and riddled with misinformation, not experience.
PSS, try spending five minutes with ballistics tables and figure out how much holdover would be necessary for such a shot. Then think about how CRITICAL it would be to know the exact range because down there at the 1000yd mark, a few yards of range can mean several inches of elevation change. Can you really eyeball 1000yds? Can you really tell the difference between 900 and 1000yds? Think about the POI difference between 900 and 1000yds. Then think about the sighting equipment. Then think about how small the target is, particularly compared to the huge target they use in 1000yd competitions. Then think, if only for a moment, about the possibility that you could be wrong or that he was just lucky. Or that the hawk died of a heart attack.
PS, I tried making peace with you but you would not have it. So I will continue to challenge your posts when they are clearly based solely on bias and heresay and riddled with misinformation, not experience.
PSS, try spending five minutes with ballistics tables and figure out how much holdover would be necessary for such a shot. Then think about how CRITICAL it would be to know the exact range because down there at the 1000yd mark, a few yards of range can mean several inches of elevation change. Can you really eyeball 1000yds? Can you really tell the difference between 900 and 1000yds? Think about the POI difference between 900 and 1000yds. Then think about the sighting equipment. Then think about how small the target is, particularly compared to the huge target they use in 1000yd competitions. Then think, if only for a moment, about the possibility that you could be wrong or that he was just lucky. Or that the hawk died of a heart attack.
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Cal-gun Fan
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Really? This HAD to go from a nice thread from a younger shooter to an argument over a guy shooting a bird?
Art Eatman
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This thread shoulda died about 45 years ago...
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