jimbo555
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Criminals will get guns no matter what laws you pass. Only the law abiding follow the law.
However, times have changed since the Founding Fathers laid the foundations to the US Constitution. For one, they could not envision the changes in our society and the evolution of firearms that we have today. Nor could they envision the complex issues of mental health and random shootings we are experiencing today including gang violence.
Criminals will get guns no matter what laws you pass. Only the law abiding follow the law.
Pizzapinochle-It is already against the law to sell a gun to a convicted felon. It has been ever since GCA of 1968.
I can sell to a felon at no risk of being charged with a crime as long as the police/prosecutor can't PROVE that I KNEW they were a convicted felon.
According to the DoJ's crime statistics - how often does this actually occur? After all, if you're gonna try to solve societal issues, you ought to at least quantify the magnitude and impact of the issue so that you can prioritize your actions accordingly.So, in my state, steps for a convicted felon to get a gun:
1. Have cash
2. Go on armslist and find any of the 1000s of guns for sale
3. Arrange a meeting via email
4. Don't be a complete blooming idiot at the transaction and say "By the way, I spent 6 years in the pen for armed robbery."
I think not telling someone you are a felon is a pretty easy step to get a handle on.
Universal Background checks lead to registration. Registration leads to confiscation. There have been many cases in the last 100 years where confiscation was followed by genocide. Of course I am sure there were many that lived in Germany in the 1930's that thought that couldn't happen there.
Yup. Or steal one, or buy one off the black market. Of course, the black market for guns could be tightly regulated out of existence, just like they did with alcohol and pot.So, in my state, steps for a convicted felon to get a gun:
For one, they could not envision the changes in our society and the evolution of firearms that we have today. Nor could they envision the complex issues of mental health and random shootings we are experiencing today including gang violence.
According to the DoJ's crime statistics - how often does this actually occur? After all, if you're gonna try to solve societal issues, you ought to at least quantify the magnitude and impact of the issue so that you can prioritize your actions accordingly.
Here's a couple of hints. According to the DoJ, most folk convicted of federal crimes that involved the use of a firearm were NOT PROHIBITED PERSONS when they obtained the firearm.
Moreover, folk that *were* already felons in fact got their guns from acquaintences or via theft moreso than via any other means. The fact is that face to face sales and gun show sales represented a very small percentage of all means of acquiring a gun by a prohibited person.
And as an aside, in the 'let's face reality' section of the discussion, the fact is that most 'prior felon' uses of firearms in the, um, 'continued execution of mischief' falls into the gang-on-gang category.
Where? Well, he probably stole it, or got it from someone else who did.Where do you think Bob got the gun? You think Bob would be less likely to give Sam the gun if Bob knew that HE would go to jail if Sam got caught with it?
Actually, the DoJ studies conducted over the last handful of decades have done the unthinkable - THEY ASKED THE CRIMINALS. We, as a society, actually have a pretty dang good understanding of how firearms wind up being used in the commission of violent crimes.DOJ does not track firearms sales. Thanks to pro-gun efforts, very little meaningful research has ever been done tracking the pipeline of guns to criminals.
I'd like some proof for this, other than the usual 'the NRA won't support anything that allows LEOs to track gun purchases, so they're keeping LE from doing their job!'.The NRA has done a pretty good job of making sure no one knows for sure how guns get to criminals.
Dude - if you're gonna talk about something, please invest the time to research it. The basic research starts here: http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=43, with the Firearms Violence Summary report being the likely first stop.Would like to see a link to that finding, I’ll wait to respond until I know exactly what you are saying.
Actually, you're making my point. Most (as in more than half) violent crime that involves the use of a firearm is in fact the result of arguments over gang-related activies or arguments between criminal actors engaged in criminalized activities such as trafficing in sex and/or drugs. The inability for a victim of violent crime involving a firearm to ID their assailant as a gang member makes the survey question 'was The Bad Guy recognizably a gang member' a bit harder to answer directly, but still the FBI Supplemental Homocide Report in 2003 said that 10% of all homocides were committed by a known gang mamber.Hint: Most homicides are NOT gang related. They are connected to “arguments,” usually over money or sex. Not sure about general crimes, but I would bet that most household robberies or armed robberies of gas stations or random people are not gang related.