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Good editorial in the Orlando (Florida) "Sentinal"

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by oweno, Oct 4, 2007.

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  1. oweno

    oweno Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    was NH, now FL
    Good editorial, link and entire article below.




    Gun control doesn't protect us -- guns do
    Mike Thomas | COMMENTARY

    Tiffany Barwick and Michael Ruschak asked the cops to protect them from Barwick's former boyfriend.

    She told them he had harassed her, threatened to kill her, bought a gun and sent an image of her riddled with bullet holes.

    A Seminole deputy advised her to get a protective court order. We all know how effective they are against the criminally obsessed.

    The deputy also would send her complaint to the State Attorney's Office, which is akin to tossing it into the Grand Canyon.

    There is a lesson in all this.

    The cops can't protect you.

    The cops could not protect Erin Belanger and her five friends who were beaten to death by Troy Victorino and his band of thugs in Deltona.

    She begged police for help in the days leading up to the assault.

    "Can I ask you a question?" she said to a 911 dispatcher. "What can I do?"

    Or better yet, what could they do?


    I am not knocking the cops, just acknowledging reality. There are a thousand threats in the Big City. Picking out the real ones from the bluster is an impossible task.

    Given this reality, given that Central Florida is turning into a bad Mad Max sequel, my liberal belief in gun control is getting wobbly.

    I'm not advocating selling machine guns and cop-killer bullets at Wal-Mart. But if somebody faces an immediate threat, I have a hard time understanding why they need to wait three days or longer to buy a handgun for self-protection.

    Shouldn't we be allowed to go to a reputable gun store, get a lesson in how to use a specific weapon and buy it after the background check?

    The stated reason against this is that some ill-tempered lout will blow a fuse, run off to Guns R Us, buy a Glock and open fire on his spouse, neighbor, boss or co-worker.

    One might assume someone this prone to venting with a volley already has a gun, locked and loaded.

    A 2000 report in the Journal of the American Medical Association, hardly part of the gun lobby, showed cooling-off periods did not reduce homicide rates or overall suicide rates.

    After examining 51 studies on various gun-control laws, including mandatory waiting periods, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention concluded in 2003 that there was "insufficient evidence" to say they reduced gun violence.

    It seems we pass laws that feel good without a lot of proof they are doing any good.

    Maybe I need a good slap from Ted Kennedy, but I almost buy the National Rifle Association argument that the primary target of gun-control laws would be the people who shoot them at ranges, then lovingly oil and ogle them before safely locking them up.

    As far as keeping guns away from bad guys, gun-control laws work as well as crack cocaine-control laws. My footnoted reference on this would be our crime blog.

    We even have high school kids in Orange County firing guns in the air at high school athletic events.

    If there were no guns, I would say allow no guns. But since all the wrong people already have them, and the cops can't do much about it except match their firepower, then it may well be time to arm thyself, citizen.

    When Florida liberalized permits for concealed weapons in the 1980s, critics predicted a Wild West bloodbath. It never happened.

    Responsible gun owners don't use guns irresponsibly. Go figure.

    Until the cops get better at enforcing gun control on those who shouldn't have guns, a better alternative for the rest of us is gun education, gun classes and secure gun storage.

    Mike Thomas can be reached at 407-420-5525 or mthomas@orlandosentinel.com. His blog is OrlandoSentinel.com/mikethomas.
  2. 40SW

    40SW Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New Port Richey, Florida. United States of Americ
    She should get CWP and the three day wait is gone ! I teach in Florida.
    I have alot of students who are females with restraining orders against former boyfriends, stalkers, etc.
    Having said that, Constitutionally, there should not be a waiting period and the right to own firearms should be absolute (to law obiding citizens), but reality is much different.
    The scumbag who mailed her a photo with bullet holes in it , well, I would take that very seriously. In the words of a famous philosopher. "Homie don't play that!". The scumbag is embracing a way to lower his life expectancy.
  3. HKUSP45C

    HKUSP45C Member

    Nov 19, 2004
    Houston, By God Texas
    Other than the above referenced quote I think this article was spot on. I don't however want to argue the efficacy of BG checks and mandatory training.

    Guns in good guy hands stop bad guys. That's why we require the cops to have them.
  4. Cannonball888

    Cannonball888 Member

    Jun 7, 2007
    This is the second pro-gun article written by a lib I've read today. There is hope after all.
  5. cnorman18

    cnorman18 Member

    Aug 27, 2007
    Dallas, Texas
    applicable quote

    As Benjamin Netanyahu said in a different context, "If someone says they're going to kill you, believe them!"

    I think he was referring to the lessons of the Holocaust in relation to a recent guest speaker at Columbia U, but the thought applies here as well.

    Good editorial.
  6. ExtremeDooty

    ExtremeDooty Member

    May 18, 2004
    Rifle, CO.
    There it is in a nutshell, plain and simple. What is it people don't get about this?
  7. skwab

    skwab Member

    Jun 17, 2007
    I agree Extreme - it's great to hear someone self-described as a liberal to make that statement. Maybe the message is slowly sifting through to the other side.
  8. RoadkingLarry

    RoadkingLarry Member

    Jun 14, 2007
    NE Oklahoma
    There in is the basis and foundation of the modern bliss-ninny.
  9. DonP

    DonP Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Chicago area
    I have to get down to the airport to watch the air show with all the pigs that must be flying today!

    Pro-gun owner articles in two, or is it three, relatively liberal newspapers, USA Today, this one and I think there was one other I spotted?

    As Comic Book Guy would say; "What is this, have I stepped into Bizzaro world?"

    The responses by gun supporters outnumbered the anti's by at least 10 to 1 too.

    What a pleasant surprise!

    Now if I see one in the Milwaukee or Chicago papers I may need the wife to get out the defibrillator.
  10. fireflyfather

    fireflyfather Member

    Oct 22, 2006
    Part of the problem is that you see liberals as the other side, rather than antis. They are not necessarily the same thing.

    I'm a gun-owning liberal, and proud of it. If only we could detach gun politics from the partizan agendas, we could see some real progress restoring our rights.
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