Good inexpensive .45

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I'm looking for a first handgun, and I've pretty much decided that I want to get a .45acp of some type. I have fired 357 mag, 9mm, .45acp, etc, just don't own one. My requirements are; manual safety, metal frame, 8+ rnds capacity, DA/SA or SA. It needs to run at or under $600 (on a budget) and I would prefer a double-stack mag. I like 1911's but don't have the $$$ to get one of the quality I would like. As a side note, my personal fav so far is the CZ-97, only prob is the trigger is set too far forward for my *Trigger Finger!!!* to reach well
 
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CZ 97B? I believe it is double stack, otherwise it seems to fit your criteria.

You could also look around for a deal on a use HK USP in .45ACP, but be prepared to pay for $50 magazines.

Throwing out your DA/SA and safety criteria, I'd suggest trying out a Glock 21 or 21SF.

STeve
 
You could also look around for a deal on a use HK USP in .45ACP, but be prepared to pay for $50 magazines.

Throwing out your DA/SA and safety criteria, I'd suggest trying out a Glock 21 or 21SF.
He also said he wants a metal frame, though.

Jason
 
Well crap so much for my suggestions.

I can get you everything you want, minus the double stack magazine in a Sig P220ST then.:neener:

Steve
 
Like I said, if the CZ-97B's trigger was set about 1/4" further back, I would buy it with no hesitation. Anyone know if it would be possible/practical to find or have made a trigger set further back?
I specifically do not want a gun I cannot carry cocked and locked. The Sig looks nice, but it seems to be about $200 over my stated max price :scrutiny:
 
:banghead: I can't believe I typed that :eek: (Meant the trigger finger, obviously) Yes, I've looked at the Witness series guns, just kinda turned off by their cust service reputation, anyone have comments/suggestions concerning the AR-24? Is it made in .45 ACP?
 
suggestions concerning the AR-24? Is it made in .45 ACP?
Don't know. They are pretty new, so there may not be a whole lot of folks that can give much input on those. They are kinda based on the old Sig P210 and the CZ 75. Everything I've seen about them looks good, but you might have the same trigger problem you have with the CZ :scrutiny:

Jason
 
It needs to run at or under $600
I like 1911's but don't have the $$$ to get one of the quality I would like.
Springfield Armory GI or Mil-Spec. $425-550. Double-stacks are overrated and unnecessary. 8+1 of .45 is more than adequate for carry or the range.
 
My requirements are; manual safety, metal frame, 8+ rnds capacity, DA/SA or SA. It needs to run at or under $600 (on a budget) and I would prefer a double-stack mag. I like 1911's but don't have the $$$ to get one of the quality I would like.
You can get a used Kimber or Springfield loaded, a new RIA GI, or a new SA GI or Mil Spec for that price. Springfield also offers the GI model in a double stack (compatible with Para mags) in your price range new. Otherwise a used SIG 220 or used S&W 45xx are your best bets.
 
Taurus pt-945 for single stack, 8+1 rnds, DA/SA, can be cocked and locked or decocked, aluminum frame, very nice for little money. Mine has been very reliable. For double stacker metal frame, there isn't much to choose from other than CZ, Para, Tanfoglio.
 
Springer Mil Spec (if you can find one) and SIG Certified Pre-Owned (CPO) P220 are 2 of the best values out there in reliability, accuracy and value. They run about $550-$600 out here in California. Worth every penny.
 
EAA Witness is the only one I can think of that might fit where the 97 doesn't.

You MIGHT score a used Sig 220 under $600, but that's getting harder to find.
 
I've been shooting a Springfield Mil-Spec 1911-a1 for a few years. It's an incredible pistol that retailed for $550 here.

8 rd 1911 magazines are cheap, 10 round magazines stick out the bottom a bit. Springfield also makes a GI 1911, never shot or even seen one in person. They are actually cheaper than the mil-spec, but I think they have a different finish, and a few other things.

Don't abandon a 1911 for less than $600. If you local shop is listing a springfield 1911 Mil-spec for more than $550 ask them if they'll take $550, it's not going to hurt anyone. Seems like a shop here lists everything high and sells them like cars....best offer. Also, if you've got a trade in... geesh!
 
My experience would suggest a Ruger P90. It has been around since 1990-1991 and has proven to be a reliable, durable and inexpensive .45 ACP. For a bit more money, I would suggest the standard model SIG 220. Lately SIG has caught "Smith & Wesson-itis" and been throwing out more and more variations to it's basic line. That's fine from a marketing standpoint: There are plenty of us gun-goons out there who have to have the latest and greatest, but for defense I prefer to stick to proven designs in use by agencies and/or independent owners who have had time to prove the worth of the gun. The standard SIG 220 is proven. While not nearly as popular with law enforcement, the Ruger P90 has "design maturity" meaning that it has been in production long enough to have had the bugs worked out. The Ruger P97 is out of production. The Ruger P345 is a new model with teething problems. Give it a few years before spending good money on it.

HK offers excellent weapons, but again, stick to the models which have been in production for enough time to prove that they function properly.

Taurus and I don't like eachother. I have had problems with Taurus, and I wouldn't own another one. It's too bad, as they have some spectacular features on some of their autos. I just don't trust those guns. Others folks have different opinions.

As far as stripper 1911's like the Mil-Spec Springfield, Colt, etc. Keep away from them unless you're comfortable shooting ball ammo. I think the Para Ordnance is the only 1911 I know of which has a one-piece feed ramp (as do most non-1911 models) which greatly enhances feed reliabilty with hollow-point loadings. Please correct me if I am wrong about this. I have shot plenty of 1911s and have heard plenty of stories about how utterly reliabile the 1911 is. Possibly so, with ball ammo. The gun was designed for ball ammo. Yes, some are reliable with hollow-points. But what if your gun isn't? I suppose if you prove to yourself that your particular specimen is reliable with a certain chosen defensive loadking you may be ok, possibly. If you are in a life or death shooting situation and your gun happens to jam on hollow-points, what will you do? Will the Cult-1911 rescue squad come and save you? Better to stick to a model designed to shoot hollow-points, in my simple view. Or get the Mil-spec and feed it with ball ammo. I hear, however, that many folks swear that high-end 1911's will feed hollowpoints well, but I am sceptical. You 1911 folks out there who have shot enough defensive loadings through your 1911s chime in here and help us out. We have a brother who is in need of facts.

Can any of you 1911 folks out there confirm if Springfield or Wilson have any disclaimers in their manuals about not guaranteeing reliability with non-ball ammo? I thought I read something once.

While I much prefer to shoot autos 10-1 over revolvers, I have to say that a good double-action revolver will serve you very well as a defense gun.

Thank you,

Steve A.
 
Good Expensive .45

Duplicate post-- sorry folks

Steve A
 
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