Good interview / reenactment w/ guy who defended his home.
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DFW1911
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It looks like this guy's shotgun wasn't confiscated / held by police / taken as evidence, etc. I bet the Castle Doctrine and Texas attitudes about guns had something to do with that.
I wonder if he's rethinking the shotgun for HD. Things may have been different if he had his .45.
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DFW1911
I wonder if he's rethinking the shotgun for HD. Things may have been different if he had his .45.
Take care,
DFW1911
geophysicishooter
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DFW,
Did you get that from a follow up on the local news? or is that inferred from the fact that he still had it with him at home?
Did you get that from a follow up on the local news? or is that inferred from the fact that he still had it with him at home?
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All I can say is good for him, he is a true survivor who kept his wits about him in a combat situation. We can all learn something from this. Unfortunately, due to procedural law and evidence collection, any gun used in any possibly quwstionable situation is subject to being place in evidence but in the scope of things, this seems to me to be a real small price to pay pending your other options.
Hot brass
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Good news story.
In Florida if you shot someone as they ran out the door you would be arrested.
There was a case here in Jacksonville where a woman was raped in her own home for over 24 hours. When the scumbag decides to leave she shoots him in the back as he went down her front steps. In jail she sits.
There was a case here in Jacksonville where a woman was raped in her own home for over 24 hours. When the scumbag decides to leave she shoots him in the back as he went down her front steps. In jail she sits.
Officers'Wife
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Attitude and preparation. Sure recipe for survival.
I wonder how many people called him paranoid for having a shotgun under his mattress. Or that he would never have a 'use' for a pistol gripped shotgun.
Selena
I wonder how many people called him paranoid for having a shotgun under his mattress. Or that he would never have a 'use' for a pistol gripped shotgun.
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DFW1911
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Geo,
Inferred, based on his use of language, something like "I got my shotgun..." and pulls it out from under his mattress.
I haven't seen any follow-ups to the story indicating he's in any trouble. The DA may be thinking about this case and I'll continue to watch.
It would be a shame if charges of some sort were pressed against this guy, but I don't think they will. In Texas we have the Castle Doctrine so we could make a strong argument that he broke no law.
Thanks,
DFW1911
Inferred, based on his use of language, something like "I got my shotgun..." and pulls it out from under his mattress.
I haven't seen any follow-ups to the story indicating he's in any trouble. The DA may be thinking about this case and I'll continue to watch.
It would be a shame if charges of some sort were pressed against this guy, but I don't think they will. In Texas we have the Castle Doctrine so we could make a strong argument that he broke no law.
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DFW1911
jakemccoy
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Jax wrote,
That's still in fact a different case with different facts (and probably a bad lawyer).
Details matter.
That's still in fact a different case with different facts (and probably a bad lawyer).
Details matter.
primlantah
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I dont think it works like that in Texas. He was in the guys house. he shot at the victim hitting him once. The victim could have shot the guy in the back of the head during full retreat in Texas.
Was given advice by local sheriff after a robbery... "if your home and someone breaks in, shoot him. If he falls outside your home drag him back inside and shoot him again." maybe not the best advice but police like to give gun owners protecting their person and property in Texas the benefit of the doubt.
look at the penalty for murder vs armed robbery/aggravated assault and think about it for a while.
Was given advice by local sheriff after a robbery... "if your home and someone breaks in, shoot him. If he falls outside your home drag him back inside and shoot him again." maybe not the best advice but police like to give gun owners protecting their person and property in Texas the benefit of the doubt.
look at the penalty for murder vs armed robbery/aggravated assault and think about it for a while.
geophysicishooter
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Never move a dead body!!!!
Do not, (Repeat), DO NOT drag a dead body back into your house!! It'll be alot easier to explain the dead guy on your door step than the trail of blood from the porch to your living room!! The police don't charge people with crimes, District Attourneys do. And a DA, even in Texas, would have a field day with a shooter who moves a dead (or dying) bad guy from outside the house to inside.. (especially if you shot him again once you got him inside)
I understand there may have been a slight amount of hyperbole in your post but it's bad practice to advise fellow shooters that it's a good idea to move (i.e. tamper with) what is effectively evidence. Worst idea i've ever heard here!!
Do not, (Repeat), DO NOT drag a dead body back into your house!! It'll be alot easier to explain the dead guy on your door step than the trail of blood from the porch to your living room!! The police don't charge people with crimes, District Attourneys do. And a DA, even in Texas, would have a field day with a shooter who moves a dead (or dying) bad guy from outside the house to inside.. (especially if you shot him again once you got him inside)
I understand there may have been a slight amount of hyperbole in your post but it's bad practice to advise fellow shooters that it's a good idea to move (i.e. tamper with) what is effectively evidence. Worst idea i've ever heard here!!
jakemccoy
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Jax,
Again, it depends on the details.
I do understand the idea you’re trying to convey. However, I can think of a number of examples where a homeowner in Florida could justifiably shoot an intruder who's running away. For example, the intruder is running away while shooting at the homeowner; the intruder is running away, pausing, turning around and shooting; or the intruder is running away and shooting period.
If the case at hand were in Florida, there's a strong argument that the homeowner was still under imminent threat when he shot, especially given the fact that he took hot lead in the shoulder seconds earlier. This intruder demonstrated that he had a loaded gun with only two expended rounds and a happy trigger finger. This homeowner was still under imminent threat. Would the homeowner still have been under imminent threat 30 seconds later? Who knows? That’s a different scenario with different facts. What other facts are in the mix?
Details matter. Timing, proximity, imminence of the threat, it all matters. Every case is different.
Again, it depends on the details.
I do understand the idea you’re trying to convey. However, I can think of a number of examples where a homeowner in Florida could justifiably shoot an intruder who's running away. For example, the intruder is running away while shooting at the homeowner; the intruder is running away, pausing, turning around and shooting; or the intruder is running away and shooting period.
If the case at hand were in Florida, there's a strong argument that the homeowner was still under imminent threat when he shot, especially given the fact that he took hot lead in the shoulder seconds earlier. This intruder demonstrated that he had a loaded gun with only two expended rounds and a happy trigger finger. This homeowner was still under imminent threat. Would the homeowner still have been under imminent threat 30 seconds later? Who knows? That’s a different scenario with different facts. What other facts are in the mix?
Details matter. Timing, proximity, imminence of the threat, it all matters. Every case is different.
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primlantah
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there was a lot of hyperbole in what i was saying. i often forget that things like this dont translate well when typed... you would have to hear the tone in my voice. my mistake. I have pretty dry humor but its not clear its humor when reading it. I did say its not the best advice
.geophysicishooter
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You're right. I'm sure I knew you weren't being really serious. But I've actually heard this very advice dolled out with a straight face by people who should know better. In the pantheon of bad advice, it ranks right up there with 'go play in traffic', 'stick your tongue to that flag pole' , and 'just pull and pray; she won't get pregnant'
DFW1911
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I agree with this. Granted this guy lives in an apartment and the bad guy could probably exit within seconds. If it were a bigger home, however, he might just be running for cover / concealment.
On my ground floor is someone is running toward the back door, there are several spots where they could have better cover if I was standing in a certain spot.
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