Got my Pedersoli Sharps rifle yesterday!

JimGnitecki

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I managed to buy my Pedersoli Sharps yesterday, and even got a really good deal on it:

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It's the Pedersoli Sharps "Hunter" model, which is the now discontinued lowest priced Pedersoli Sharps model, that has none of the fancier features of some of the more costly models. In the U.S., it is still available at a price of about $1900, but it recently disappeared from the Pedersoli website. In Canada, these are pretty rare. But Cabela's Canada in Calgary, about 220km = 136 miles from where I live, had ONE in actual inventory, but they actually needed to verify that it was actually at that store before I could buy it.

I really did not want to spend a lot of money on another rifle right now, but I had one lever rifle whose condition a selling dealer had misrepresented to me that I did not want to keep, and my wife encouraged me to jump on this Pedersoli because if its anomalous Cabela's Canadian price. In The U.S., Cabela's advertises this model at the regular U.S. price of $1900, which is about $2600 Canadian at the current currency exchange rate. But for some reason, here in Canada, Pedersoli rifles are sold at about that same amount, or lower, paid in Canadian, not U.S. dollars, despite the fact that the Canadian dollar = only $0.74 US. That makes these Pedersol rifles a REAL bargain. This specific rifle model in fact has been advertised on Cabela's Canadian website at $1780 Canadian, which is about 1/3 less than in The U.S., for at least the few weeks that I have been looking at Pedersoli Sharps rifles, and incredibly, no one else has bought it! So, I drove up to Calgary, traded in a lever rifle I did not want to keep, and got back into Cowboy Action long range side match shooting at the lowest possible cost!

The Pedersoli Sharps models are apparently not as finely finished as the U.S. made "Shiloh" and "C-Sharps" models, but the prices for those are in the "several thousands" category even in The U.S., and so importing one into Canada would be, for me, ridiculously unaffordable as a retiree.

The Pedersoli rifles, which are made in Italy, have an awesome reputation among knowledgeable shooters that like to shoot "Old West Buffalo rifles". They are very high quality, machined from forged metal, with "progressive" broached rifling that becomes a thou or two smaller in diameter from the breech to the muzzle, apparently to facilitate use of the largest diameter bullets to improve bullet sealing in the rifling and avoid leading. All the models come with the typical rifle blade front sights and barrel mounted rear leaf sights with elevator ramps, but ALL models are drilled and tapped to accept multiple brands and sizes of "Creedmoor" vernier peep ladder sights and front tunnel sights with interchangeable inserts, for those 500 to 1000 yard shots these rifles are capable of making.

I had a different Pedersoli - a Rolling Block" model - a couple of decades ago, and at a national SASS match in Cody Wyoming, I successfully shot a full-size steel buffalo profile at 500 yards = 1500 feet with a good set of sights on it. It was a treat calculating the required rear sight setting, aligning the sight picture, taking the shots, and waiting about a full second for the 1350 fps muzzle velocity 405g bullet to reach and "clang" the target, and then waiting another second or more for the "clang" sound to be transmitted back to me! (Sound travels at only about 1100 fps).

So, this "Plain Jane" model can be equipped with aftermarket items to perform just as well as the prettier much more costly models ($3000 US or so). So I have a great foundation to build on. I will be looking for a good deal on new or used MVA or Shaver or other highest quality rear sight and front tunnel kits.

And this Sharps Hunter model has a couple of specific features I particularly like: a pistol grip stock, a 30" barrel, a hefty weight of 10.5 lb before adding the aftermarket sights, a full octagon barrel, and a "Shotgun" butt plate instead of the more typical "concave curved" butt plate (I find the shotgun butt plate much more comfortable when firing some of the heavier loads). And the dual set trigger has an amazingly low trigger pull and is very crisp.

This is a rifle I will not be foolish enough to sell or trade off.
 
.45-70? If you need loading info... I got lots!

I've got a Pedersoli 1885 in .45-70... I really, really like it. I think the quality of the Pedersoli is quite good, if not necessarily that of the domestic Sharps... but as you say, you aren't paying for that, either, nor do you have to wait a year for your rifle. I will tell you the steel (receiver) will ding quite easily if you are not careful, and the case colors aren't necessarily 'fragile,' but some amount of care is necessary to keep it looking nice. I would pick a Pedersoli over a Chiappa every day, and twice on Sunday.

I think the Hunter model is wonderful... to include the shotgun butt. Foofy stuff doesn't send rounds downrange, and I wouldn't feel guilty for using it.

It takes a little getting used to... that super light set trigger! First few times mine went off prematurely as I got used to the trigger. Word to the wise... once that trigger is set... keep that booger hook off the trigger until you are ready!!!
 
.45-70? If you need loading info... I got lots!
. . .

Hey, Thanks for the offer - send me a PM with that loading data. For both 405g and 500 or 535g if you have those bullet weights. I have been told that the 500g+ bullets are betetr for very long ranges, but it looks like getting them here in Canada might be both difficult and costly, due to the limited demand and the high shipping costs for really heavy bullets!
 
Beautiful rifle, congratulations. So much fun to shoot long range. You sound like you have plenty of experience, but I’ll plug Lee Shaver and MVA for sights. Enjoy!
 
Beautiful rifle, congratulations. So much fun to shoot long range. You sound like you have plenty of experience, but I’ll plug Lee Shaver and MVA for sights. Enjoy!

I did shoot a Pedersoli Rolling Block about a quarter century ago, but did not have an MVA or Lee Shaver sight on that one. I plan to see if I can land one of those at a decent price, used or new. The versions that Pedersoli itself offers are apparently not quite as good as either of those.

I also do not recall nor have any record of what powder I used back then with the 405g bullets I was using. I am looking around for good load data for cast bullets that are 405g, 500g, or 500+g, no gas checks, at Cowboy Action Shooting (CAS) side match muzzle velocities (1100 to 1400 fps). Accurate 5744 powder appears to me to be reliably available to me, but I am hesitant to use a fast burning powder for safety reasons, even though the 5744 is recommended by Hodgdons for CAS usage and is very light weight in density (i.e. occupies more volume space than heavier density powders) and so fills at least a reasonable portion of the case volume compared to some other powders.

Jim G
 
I did shoot a Pedersoli Rolling Block about a quarter century ago, but did not have an MVA or Lee Shaver sight on that one. I plan to see if I can land one of those at a decent price, used or new. The versions that Pedersoli itself offers are apparently not quite as good as either of those.

I also do not recall nor have any record of what powder I used back then with the 405g bullets I was using. I am looking around for good load data for cast bullets that are 405g, 500g, or 500+g, no gas checks, at Cowboy Action Shooting (CAS) side match muzzle velocities (1100 to 1400 fps). Accurate 5744 powder appears to me to be reliably available to me, but I am hesitant to use a fast burning powder for safety reasons, even though the 5744 is recommended by Hodgdons for CAS usage and is very light weight in density (i.e. occupies more volume space than heavier density powders) and so fills at least a reasonable portion of the case volume compared to some other powders.

Jim G
Can’t help with smokeless loads. I shoot exclusively 1.5 fg black powder and paper patched bullets. Finding the right load is half or more than half the fun!
 
For 535, see https://castboolits.gunloads.com/sh...let-in-45-70&p=5450451&viewfull=1#post5450451

For 405:
Pedersoli Sharps
Lyman 405LFN 457193#2(403actl) /AA5744/24.5/FedLR/StarLine*/OAL:2.602"JustClrsDrvgBnd
QL= 12,967psi/1,309fps (*QL-Vol=84.4H20)**47% Case /LiqALOX_2x/HvyCrimp

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Thank-you for thr 405g load and the referral to the other thread for the 535g load that you use! I really like that 405g (403g actual per your note on the Lyman 457193#2) load's low pressure while still delivering 1309 fps. For that 405g load, I understand everything you said except "LiqALOX 2x". What do you mean by that?

Jim G
 
Put a dark pieplate (with ALOX'd bullets) in outside direct sunlight and let the heat buildup evaporate the solvent for an afternoon.
Shoot next day.

THIN coat.
 
Put a dark pieplate (with ALOX'd bullets) in outside direct sunlight and let the heat buildup evaporate the solvent for an afternoon.
Shoot next day.

THIN coat.

That should work well since our home is at 3000 feet elevation, so The Sunlight is VERY strong, and per official records, we get over 300 sunny days per year!

AmI right in thinking that when you use Lee Liquid ALOX, you not only don't need to use anything in the lube grooves, but you also don't care where the case aligns relative to the lube grooves because with a single shot rifle you don't need to crimp?

So, you just need to
(1) cast the bullets
(2) size the bullets
3) do the ALOX process
4) Seat
?

Jim G
 
Lee/Size 459/460 before ALOXing
(No lube req'd)

Some ALOX will get into lube grooves, but that's not req'd/the objective
(ALOX is a surface lube.)

Seat out to where it lightly jams into rifling.
(Lead is soft/forgiving in that regard)

Medium-strong roll crimp.

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Even for a single
(from experience)

Not as critical as with a normal bullet-to-lands standoff repeater,
but definitely helps consistent ignition w/ smokeless*


* BP .... not so much. (BP burns what it burns no matter what.)
 
Ok, so if I need to crimp for consistency, then I DO need to align the bullet with a lube groove to crimp into.

Jim G
 
Congrats! It may be a basic "hunter" model but it has a pistol grip and a shotgun butt and higher comb than my "hunter" model, so it is better for target shooting. You already have better features than many models. Depends what year Pedersoli made it and how they designed the "hunter" model. Amazing how expensive these are now. I bought mine 3 years ago and it was 1200 USD. Hopefully you can load BP loads for it and be sure to use .460 bullets. Mine performs amazingly with a vernier sight and parker hale globe sight.
 
Ok, so if I need to crimp for consistency, then I DO need to align the bullet with a lube groove to crimp into.

Jim G
If you shoot with BP then no need to crimp. Actually more accurate to not crimp. You don't need a cannelure or lube groove to crimp on a lead bullet. Seat to the best depth for accuracy and crimp hunting loads. Target loads for single shot should NOT have a crimp. If you want to shoot smokeless( 5744 is the way to go), then you should do a light crimp to straighten the mouth of the case because you flared it to start the bullet. Bear Creek Supply has 520gr bullets that work great for both BP and smokeless and they can do them in .460. .459 may work in your Pedersoli but .460 will work better.
 
Congrats! It may be a basic "hunter" model but it has a pistol grip and a shotgun butt and higher comb than my "hunter" model, so it is better for target shooting. You already have better features than many models. Depends what year Pedersoli made it and how they designed the "hunter" model. Amazing how expensive these are now. I bought mine 3 years ago and it was 1200 USD. Hopefully you can load BP loads for it and be sure to use .460 bullets. Mine performs amazingly with a vernier sight and parker hale globe sight.

I notice you said .460" diameter bullets. I thought .458" or .459" were the norm for 45-70 rifles, so this is interesting.

Jim G
 
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