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.Gov instructions on how to destroy your private property...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Trey Veston, Dec 22, 2018.

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  1. Trey Veston

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    Are there instructions there on how to cut my shoelaces and belt-loops also?

    I'm not a fan of the bump fire thing but this is wrong on so many levels.
     
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    Please don't give them any ideas. I can only count to 21 as it is.
     
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    This whole rule is unconstitutional in so many ways.

    It reminds my of the BATF in the 1990's unilaterally making Streetsweeper shotguns a Class 3 weapon overnight. So people who legally bought one as a Class 1 weapon were suddenly illegal owners of a class 3 weapon. They became felons and didn't even know it.
     
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    I had to check them all out. I did not know there were so may different ways to accomplish this action available for purchase.
     
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    My hope is that this was done on purpose to give us a lawsuit that we can take to the supreme court and reverse the GCA entirely.

    If Ginsberg goes in the next 2 years I can see it happening.
     
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    I guess the ATF has apparently never heard the phrase "falling on deaf ears".
     
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    Clearly, you are not familiar with Prohibition. This is not the first time something has been declared contraband (thus having zero value and so making the "takings clause" moot).
     
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    Oh, yes! We are all completely not familiar with it. This is not happening to us right now...:confused:

    I looked through the page, @Trey Veston ,but I could not find a line where I could tell them where to place their "destruction instructions".

    More Humans are killed by cars, where do I find the red line diagram to cut up a Buick Lucerne?o_O
     
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    Or the cellphone that the Buick driver is trying to text on while doing 60 through a school zone.......
     
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    Ex post facto comes to mind ......
     
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    Law and order. Who's law and who's order? Not mine that's for sure. But then because of regulations many of us cannot even express our true feelings on our own firearms forum.

    This thread will soon be closed also.
     
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    I do believe Charlton Heston spoke words that are appropriate.
     
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    No. An ex post facto law criminalizes past behavior. What they are doing with the bump stock ban is criminalizing future possession (after March 26, 2019).
     
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    Prohibition was a constitutional amendment plus enabling legislation. Hard to get more "due process" than that. Which is what we are NOT seeing now.
     
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    ATF really studied this to death.

    Why does Fahrenheit 451 come to mind?
     
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    Many people in USA can't wait for this to happen to all weapons. If it was put to a vote all weapons in this country would be destroyed except what the criminals have.
     
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    The ATF has effectively singled out every owner of a bump stock by this new rule, transforming them into criminals based upon their *mere* possession, regardless of whether that device had before-hand been lawfully possessed and regardless of whether ATF itself previously determined the device does not to have the capability of converting a firearm into a prohibited “machinegun.” This is a prohibited ex post facto in the purest sense.

    It will be interesting to watch the suit develop.
     
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    I'm against the bump stock ban. But calling it an "ex post facto" law isn't going to work as a means of challenging it. The crime will be continued possession after March 26. That's not ex post facto. None of the lawsuits challenging the ban are calling it "ex post facto." Lawyers know better.

    A more fruitful ground will be that it's an unconstitutional "taking" without compensation. Judges are more attuned to the 5th Amendment than to the 2nd Amendment anyway. Even the ACLU will support the 5th Amendment while probably not the 2nd.

    One of the reasons why the "taking" argument has added weight is that bump stock owners bought the devices in good faith,"detrimentally relying" on the prior rulings of the ATF that they were legal. Now they're being penalized by that same agency, in a classic example of "bad faith."
     
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    Eh....that pic isn't that bad. At least he hasn't shown both appendages with hands cut off.
     
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    I wonder if this deters future panic buying knowing you may pay 400 for a 100 item you later have to destroy with no compensation
     
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    And what the government has. Government always exempts itself.
     
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    I sold last rifle with 30 round magazines couple of weeks prior to last presidential election. Bless the panicked electorate. My last handgun purchase holds max of 9........I think you're onto something.
     
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