GP100 3" fixed sights shoots low

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I just got the gun and I like the way it holds and balances very much. It's even got a nice DA trigger which is saying alot for today's Rugers. Makes my SP trigger look even worse. ;)

Sofar I've only put WWB 130gr .38 JSP and WWB 110gr .357 JHP's through it, a box each.

I shot the gun at 15 yards as I don't really see the point of practicing farther out with a 3" fixed-sight revolver, at least not yet.

Whether offhand or from a rest, it's hitting a bit low, maybe an inch or two.

Will heavier bullets shoot higher? Or should I just have a shorter front ramp installed?

Are fixed-sight 3" guns supposed to be dead-nuts on at 15 yds out of the box?

Thanks for any advice.
 
It's probably sighted in from the factory with 158 grain loads. Lighter bullets will shoot low. Run a box of 158s through it and check. If this is the case, go for the shorter front blade, either by replacing it or careful work with a file.
 
The hot 158 grain 357 mag hunting loads hit high in my 3 inch gp100.

The 125 grain 357 mag loads that are considered hot are what my 3 inch gp100 seems to be set for from the factory. By hot I simply mean a real 357 mag load and not a watered down 357 mag that is putting out numbers a 38 special +p could almost produce.

Different companies get different speeds from their rounds so you can most likely find a factory round that is darn close to where your sites are now.

I make sure I have several hundred rounds through a gun before I change the front site height. I do this because I have found I sometimes change my grip slightly as I get used to a gun and this can make me change my front site height again.

Basically the faster a bullet is leaving the barrel, or the higher the weight of the bullet the higher the bullet will print on the target.

I am curious, how different were the 38 special and 357 mag hitting on your target?
 
110 gr is pretty light and 1-2" @ 15yds is fairly small. Try out some 125 grainers...should be right on. If you shorten the sight then it will shoot high with heavier bullets. There's gotta be a compromise with fixed sights. Besides, you would never notice the 1-2" low @ 15yds in a defensive situation...still plenty good for COM hits.
 
The 125 grain 357 mag loads that are considered hot are what my 3 inch gp100 seems to be set for from the factory. By hot I simply mean a real 357 mag load and not a watered down 357 mag that is putting out numbers a 38 special +p could almost produce.

Okay I get it. So the WWB 110gr .357s are not only a mild .357, but the light bullet prints lower. The gun is likely sighted for a heavier bullet and a full-house load. Is muzzle energy a good indicator of felt recoil? The 110gr WWB is only 410 ft-lbs of ME and 1295 fps at the muzzle.

FWIW the 130gr .38s were also low and seemed harder to group well. :scrutiny:

I guess I need to try some 125gr or 158gr .357 ammo. What's a good 125/158gr load? Federal? Rem?

Am I at least on the right track shooting at 15 yards to start with, given the type of gun?
 
biere said:
Basically the faster a bullet is leaving the barrel, or the higher the weight of the bullet the higher the bullet will print on the target.

A faster bullet will hit lower on the target, due to it being clear of the barrel before recoil has had as much effect on raising the gun barrel before the bullet exits it. A heavy, slower bullet will hit higher, since the gun has moved a bit more under recoil before the bullet left it.

Try shooting 158gr .38 spl's then 110gr .357 mags, and see which one prints where. ;)


( My last Taurus 605 would print 125 gr .357's dead on..... But I ended up marking the front sight so I knew how much extra to hold up to get .38's to land in the same place. The arrangement was sort'a like Elmer Keith's gold bar sights, only I just used a black Sharpie to mark the sight. )


J.C.
 
That is if the gun is actually sighted in at the factory at all. A lot of guns are spec'ed tight enough that they do not need a lot of regulating, besides, the factory has no idea how or what you are shooting. Some guns come from the factory a mile off.

Whether a sight is fixed or adjustable does not affect what range you can shoot it at, all other things being equal. We shoot at stuff 50-100 yards away with fixed sight snubbies and can get occasional hits and put the rest close. A 3 inch .357 should be good out to 25 yards for the average decent shot I would reckon.

One thing to consider is that at short ranges, your gun will shoot lower because your sights are mounted some distance above the bore line (as an extreme example, think about shooting an AR15 rifle with the muzzle touching the target. With your sights on the bullseye, your rifle muzzle will actually be touching the target a couple of inches low because of all the distance between the sights and the barrel). Fixed sights are usually closer to the bore line than adjustable sights and often do better in this area (assuming they are sighted in).

Your "point blank" range is the intersection of you sight line and your trajectory. If you shoot at the close end of this range, your bullets trajectory will be below your sight line. Chances are it may shoot much closer to point of aim at 25 yards.

Different bullet weights, and velocities can cause different points of impact. For a serious carry gun, we used to shoot a couple of different kinds acceptable ammo and take the one that was closest. Most of the time, especially with nice consistent quality ammo and a decent gun, any load was close enough. I would consider 1-2 inches low at 15 yards close enough. If it was too far off, then the files or the barrel vise would come out. Sometimes different grips, a different stance, or single action or double action would change the impact as well. How well you handle recoil seems to make a difference too. If I remember the formula to calculate recoil was a function of bullet weight, velocity, gun weight, and weight of powder.

For a lot of people, it was enough to know about how far off it was and use kentucky windage. This technique worked well for the one-gun person (not me).

I would say just shoot some loads at different ranges (say 15 and 25), pick one and remember whereabouts it shoots. If you are only off a little vertically and are good horizontally, you are in great shape! adjusting for windage on a fixed sight gun really sucks!

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