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Where's Janet Reno when you need her? 
Granby, CO under seige
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Langenator
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IIRC, the boys from Ft Carson are playing in the Sandbox.
capt_happypants
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I think 3rd ACR has returned to the States.
Is this thing still going on at 8:23pm MST? I can call one of my buds up and have him bring his Armalite AR-50.
Is this thing still going on at 8:23pm MST? I can call one of my buds up and have him bring his Armalite AR-50.
anapex
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Are we sure this isn't just some taping for a new run of A-team shows run amok? 
jimpeel
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Apparently, this thing is still going on and the guy had a door to get in, through the top, but then welded it shut from the inside. He is determined that he is going to die in that 'dozer. He shoulda armored the radiator better because that's what finally stopped him. He had a shroud around the engine to protect it, though.
capt_happypants
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At this point, dump several hundred gallons of 91 octane unleaded around the damn thing, and set it off with a flare. If he wants to go out, oblige him.
capt_"would make a terrible hostage negotiator"_happypants
jimpeel - details, details. What I want to know, if he had protected the engine block, what was he going to do? Drive away slowly?
"Oh no! He's slowly getting away!"
capt_"would make a terrible hostage negotiator"_happypants
jimpeel - details, details. What I want to know, if he had protected the engine block, what was he going to do? Drive away slowly?
"Oh no! He's slowly getting away!"
Well, at this point the guy is "Contained". After Ruby Ridge, Waco, and other similar situations, the police do have to try to take this guy alive, seeing as how he 'went out of his way not to harm anybody'.
The problem: They know he has a gun (even though he hasn't shot anybody yet). He may have a bomb. Anybody who can do this to a dozer can build bombs, easy. It's time to bring in negotiators and talk the guy out.
The problem: They know he has a gun (even though he hasn't shot anybody yet). He may have a bomb. Anybody who can do this to a dozer can build bombs, easy. It's time to bring in negotiators and talk the guy out.
sevenpoint62mm
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Can you say Thermite!
Preacherman
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Well, she could do a strip-tease and scare him to death...
Malone LaVeigh
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On CNN they're reporting he had a beef with local authorities and businesses over zoning. I'm surprised some of our anti-gov types aren't rushing off to reinforce the guy...
jimpeel
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capt_happypants
The thing was that he was out at the cement plant, out in the open, with nothing to catch fire and they could have hit him with Molotov cocktails then. Once he was back in town, that option disappeared.
Silly boy! Getting away was never an option. He armored the engine to keep them from disabling it before he could effect maximum damage. Even a standard hunting round could do that and he didn't want them spoiling his fun before he had gained satisfaction.
The thing was that he was out at the cement plant, out in the open, with nothing to catch fire and they could have hit him with Molotov cocktails then. Once he was back in town, that option disappeared.
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sevenpoint62mm
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IIRC Themite is legal and used in welding, Hell this guy probably used alot making that,.. um,. thing. Also need I point out they are less then an hour from NORAD if my measurements are correct. They got lots of goodies there, but they're a no show so far. ::banghead:
Sven
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Check THIS out:
Ha! The 50 failed to live up to the drivers plans. Wonder if he used a tracer or explosive load?
http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_2939053,00.html
Ha! The 50 failed to live up to the drivers plans. Wonder if he used a tracer or explosive load?
http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_2939053,00.html
Warren
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I was concerned until I heard he was targeting politicians.
In all likelihood they deserved it.
In all likelihood they deserved it.
cracked butt
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I wonder what the man's story was. To spend so much time planning out an attack on a few individuals in which he would not escape from, I wonder if he was pushed too far or if the bureaucrats in his town were overly corrupt.
Or, he might be a total whackjob.
I kind of see this in my neighbor. He has been at loggerheads with the village and homeowners association in the past of minor issues. Now both are finding lots of problems with his property- he put up an 'illegal' clotheline, he had the wrong kind of decorations around his garden, he had to pour a slab to park his fishing boat on during the summer, but has gotten threatening letters for parking a utility trailer there for a few days. He has a heavy work truck he parks in his driveway, not against any code or rule, but he is harrassed anyhow. If there were anyone who should complain it should be me or the neighbor on the other side of him as we are the only ones who can see any of these things without physically walking onto any of the 3 properties, but we don't have a problem with what he does with his property. It just amounts to the fact that the officials in our town are petty a-holes, that if you do anything to chalenge them on anything, you get on their sh-list. You can't vote them out, as they are related to half of the old residents of town who also prefer the town to be nazi-land. He's had enough and decided he is moving to a different town.
GigaBuist
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Some reports are saying that shots were ringing out once per second, like a "machine gun".
Some say he has a 50-caliber weapon. They don't specifically say 50BMG though.
If this guy's pumping out 50BMG rounds at a rate of once per second I'd be pretty amazed.
And, somewhere they should be footage of that muzzle brake sticking outside the steel armor that he was surrounded with. 50BMG inside a little metal box? No way, not happening.
Some say he has a 50-caliber weapon. They don't specifically say 50BMG though.
If this guy's pumping out 50BMG rounds at a rate of once per second I'd be pretty amazed.
And, somewhere they should be footage of that muzzle brake sticking outside the steel armor that he was surrounded with. 50BMG inside a little metal box? No way, not happening.
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I highly doubt it's a fifty, and if it is, say bye to THAT right. 
And as for having no thermite, are you telling me there's no steel wool, vinegar, aluminum blocks, and a grinder in that town? That and an hour is all you need to make about ~2kg of thermite, more than enough to put a hole in the steel, even if it takes a minute.
And as for having no thermite, are you telling me there's no steel wool, vinegar, aluminum blocks, and a grinder in that town? That and an hour is all you need to make about ~2kg of thermite, more than enough to put a hole in the steel, even if it takes a minute.
Art Eatman
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http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_2939053,00.html
Excerpts from the Rocky Mountain News article:
"Over the years, Heemeyer has tangled with Patrick Brower, editor and publisher of Sky-Hi News, over issues including zoning and gambling.
"It was frightening," said Brower. "I tell you, I was scared for my wife and my son because we live only a fourth of a mile from the newspaper office, and Marv knows where we live. I thought he would drive over there next.
"This is just domestic terrorism is what it is."
Granby officials said Heemeyer blamed them for the demise of his muffler shop — which he attributed to the result of the zoning dispute. Most of his targeted building are believed to have been owned by, or associated with, people he believed had wrong him.
Heemeyer had discussed plans for his apocalyptic assault over beer and dinner with several acquaintances in Grand Lake late one afternoon in January.
One of those at the table was Bonnie Brown, owner of a Grand Lake business.
"He was talking about the sale of his business, and how he had to pay too much money for it, and how the town was involved in undercutting him, and would charge him excessive taxes and all these other fees that they had not assessed to other people," said Brown.
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Hey, city council! Be careful about raising taxes!
In my fondest dreams, at the next city council meeting:
From a questioner the audience, "So you agree this was terrorism?" "Yes." And you agree this was a 'one man riot'?" "And this meeting is being recorded?" "Yes."
"Thank you. In the event of terrorism and riot, your insurance coverage does not apply. Have a nice day."
Art
Excerpts from the Rocky Mountain News article:
"Over the years, Heemeyer has tangled with Patrick Brower, editor and publisher of Sky-Hi News, over issues including zoning and gambling.
"It was frightening," said Brower. "I tell you, I was scared for my wife and my son because we live only a fourth of a mile from the newspaper office, and Marv knows where we live. I thought he would drive over there next.
"This is just domestic terrorism is what it is."
Granby officials said Heemeyer blamed them for the demise of his muffler shop — which he attributed to the result of the zoning dispute. Most of his targeted building are believed to have been owned by, or associated with, people he believed had wrong him.
Heemeyer had discussed plans for his apocalyptic assault over beer and dinner with several acquaintances in Grand Lake late one afternoon in January.
One of those at the table was Bonnie Brown, owner of a Grand Lake business.
"He was talking about the sale of his business, and how he had to pay too much money for it, and how the town was involved in undercutting him, and would charge him excessive taxes and all these other fees that they had not assessed to other people," said Brown.
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Hey, city council! Be careful about raising taxes!
In my fondest dreams, at the next city council meeting:
From a questioner the audience, "So you agree this was terrorism?" "Yes." And you agree this was a 'one man riot'?" "And this meeting is being recorded?" "Yes."
"Thank you. In the event of terrorism and riot, your insurance coverage does not apply. Have a nice day."
Art
TallPine
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Yeah, the new ones do, but they made them for about 30 years before that.
7.62FullMetalJacket
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One man, over the edge, with intent, can do just about anything. There is no way to prevent it or stop it.
The Real Hawkeye
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They will find a .50 caliber BMG rifle in there, whether it was there before the ATF arrived or not.
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