Grandmother shoots and kills Grandson/ KY

[joebogey]

http://www.wkyt.com/Global/story.asp?S=2749566









A robbery turns deadly in Letcher County

Police say a grandmother shot her grandson after he and his girlfriend tried to rob her.

Neighbor, Richard Morgan, says he was startled by gunshots ringing out above his home around noon Thursday, "My wife and I were in the kitchen. We heard two gunshots and I guess 15 to 20 seconds later a car came flying out of the holler here with a young lady in it."

Police say that young lady, Kyla Bellis, and her boyfriend went to his grandmother's home, but the visit quickly turned deadly.

"It appears that what's occurred is that the young man, that's deceased, was possibly attempting to rob the lady that lives here and she was assaulted and at some point he was shot," Lt. Greg Motley said.

The grandmother was hit in head several times before police say she shot her grandson Simon Haynes.

The grandmother, whose name hasn't been released, was taken to the Whitesburg ARH Medical Center.

The girlfriend, Kyla Bellis was arrested and charged with robbery.

No other charges have been filed in connection with the shooting.

 

[R.H. Lee]

Now the girlfriend, Kyla Bellis, needs to be charged with first degree murder. Someone died during the commission of a felony. Prayers and sympathies for the grandmother.

 

[nhhillbilly]

This is a hart break but I am glad the victim is ok. The girlfriend charges should be up graded.

 

[USP45usp]

My mom works in a nursuing home and you would at the way so called family treats their grandparents.

If I ever got to that point where I would assault my own Grandmother or Mom then I will be greatful that they put a bullet into me. This is just sick and the g/f should have murder charges placed on her.

Wayne

*sorry, I can't stand elderly abuse just as I can't stand minor abuse.

 

[P95Carry]

Tragic such a thing could ever happen.

I will be a Grandpap soon ... better lock and load!!! (J/K)

 

[joebogey]

Maybe it's just the season and such, but it seems I'm hearing more and more tales like this.
Earlier in the week, a teen burned his familie's house because he didn't get what he wanted for Christmas.
Tonight, I read where a teen (19) used a shotgun to shoot out the window of the truck his mother and stepfather were in because he didn't get what he wanted for Christmas.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I contribute a lot of this to "time out" and "little sit down conversations", rather than bustin their backsides when they needed it.
Or am I just an old fogey?

 

[Glenn Kelley]

Yesterday

Joe,
What works for one kid may not work for another.Whatever you do it has to be consistant.

My guess is that these kids had no disipline growing up or saw the grandmother abused by his parents.

Glenn

 

[38SnubFan]

If I ever got to that point where I would assault my own Grandmother or Mom then I will be greatful that they put a bullet into me. This is just sick and the g/f should have murder charges placed on her.

I know this is VERY WRONG to say, because one should not wish the death of another - but Grandma should have put a bullet in HER head too.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I contribute a lot of this to "time out" and "little sit down conversations", rather than bustin their backsides when they needed it.

Worked for my parents to keep me straight! And I have no problem issuing corporal punishment to my children if need be. Those "time outs" and "little conversations" do nothing but allow the child to have at least some control over their punishment, which eventually allows them to believe (and possibly have) some control over their parents' words and actions. I plan on making my kids VERY CLEAR on who is in control of their lives for the first 18 years, and that I won't be afraid to crack their behinds in their 40s either if they decide to cross me then.

I know someone's going to want to flame me as an irresponsible, aggressive, abusive parent for what I just said. Not to rant in advance, but save your breath; I truly don't care what you think. I don't tell other parents how to raise their kids and I'll be damned if someone tells me how to raise mine. Personally, I'm sick of the neighborhood brats terrorizing the neighborhoods, annoying local law enforcement (who has better things to be doing than arresting kids for Disorderly Conduct and Criminal Mischief), just to find that the parents are just as irresponsible/uncaring. I WILL NOT ALLOW MY CHILDREN TO END UP THE SAME WAY!

-38SnubFan

 

[saddlebum]

"i ain't gonna spare the rod,cause that ain't what my daddy did" montgomery gentry

 

[spartacus2002]

A smack on the butt will do wonders to straighten out a child. If done properly, it can leave no marks, cause no harm, but sting like heck and make a child pay attention. The tears are more from "I'm getting a spanking!" than "ouch that hurt!"

I think I've had to spank my boy a total of 5 times in 7 years, each time 3 whaps on the butt that left no marks but caused lots of tears. He loves me dearly and is very well-disciplined.

 

[joebogey]

My Daughter is 11 years old and seldom gets a spanking. But she does at times get one.
And smart.....man she is so smart that it's scary.
(No common sense, but she get's that from her mother)
But anyway, after threatening to spank her once, she made the comment that "she'd call the cops on me". (She was only kidding, but just the same...)
I immediately handed her the phone and told her that "she better get started if she expected them to be of any help."
I've never heard the comment again.

My wife teaches in a public school, and it makes me sick to walk in and see how those kids act. I think taking the paddling out of school has been the worst thing that we could have done for our kids.
They're not discilpined at home and then sent to school where the teachers hands are tied to the point where they can't discipline either. Then we wonder why they do things like shoot out the window of the pickup truck and rob their grandmothers. Or go to school and shoot their classmates because they were teased about a haircut or something stupid.

We reap what we sow. And I'm afraid we've sown a bumper crop.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Applied earlier in his life, a few whacks may have kept this kid straight. Instead, he took the lazy man's way out to $ and got the lazy man's way out of life.

 

[Andrew Rothman]

Or it could just be that this lowlife creep was just a useless thug...

Success in parenting is not about swatting or not swatting. It's about limits, consistency and respect.

The problem of out-of-control kids has nothing to do with failure to spank. It's failure to PARENT that is at fault.

Too many parents either don't care, or are afraid that they won't be their children's best buddy if they play the heavy when required.

Tips for parents:

* Kids need limits. They need to be fair, reasonable and consistent.

Knowing what is and is not appropriate makes for confident, secure kids. Dr. Phil says it very well: "Your child needs to be able to predict, with 100% certainty, the consequences of his actions."

* YOU ARE THE PARENT! Not a friend, not a roommate, but the parent. you must set the rules and enforce them.

* Most things are priveleges. You must feed, dress and shelter your child. television, Playstation and all other toys and amusements may, and should be, taken away and EARNED back by good behavior.

* The basic concepts of how to be a civilized person are learned by age 6. If they are NOT learned by that age, there is a strong chance that they will never be learned.

 

[Glenn Kelley]

Grandmother

Matt,
You just discribed basic training.

 

[jefnvk]

I am suprised that some of you would recommend murder charges for the girlfriend. Unless she was the one pulling the trigger, why would you charge her with something she didn't do? From what I can read out of the article, robbery, maybe assualt (doesn't specifically mention her beating the grandmother), MAYBE attempted murder if she was really beating good on the grandmother.

 

[jsalcedo]

The Grandmother should have shot both of them and the G/F needs to be charged with murder at the very least.

Once these punks are raised to be sociopathic idiots there is no cure save for a lobotomy.


As far as spanking goes...I'm no wussie liberal about it except for the fact with some children it teaches that violence is an acceptable method to elicit desired behavior.

For example I was never spanked, but I was scared to death of crossing my parents. I had no idea what they would do if I screwed up, I just knew it wouldn't be good. The possibility shame and fear and consequences kept me in line.

Now with some more "ACTIVE" children, my son for example, took years of scolding, taking away privleges, time out, to get him to realize inappropriate behaivor was not to be tolerated.

Then I sent him to my inlaws for the weekend with the strict instructions he was not to be spanked..if he got to be a problem I would pick him up and handle it myself.

They ignored me, cut a switch and hit him with it when he misbehaved.

The next day my son pushed his dog over a 15 foot flight of stairs, chased a kid around with a barbeque fork and began uncharacteristic aggrsssive violent behavior.

It took me about 3 months to get my kid back to normal.

Now I have 2 adopted daughters that came from an abusive, neglecting home
and a foster home that was not much better.

They try to elicit corporal punishment from my wife and I and are confused when they don't get hit. They are so used to getting beat they increase the severity of their misbehavior to try and get one us to hit them.

Thats why I'm not a proponent of corporal punishment. I believe some parents spank out of love and concern but many times parents hit out of anger and frustration.

 

[Stand_Watie]

I am suprised that some of you would recommend murder charges for the girlfriend. Unless she was the one pulling the trigger, why would you charge her with something she didn't do? From what I can read out of the article, robbery, maybe assualt (doesn't specifically mention her beating the grandmother), MAYBE attempted murder if she was really beating good on the grandmother

I believe the common law concept that is being referred to here is felony murder

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http://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/violent_crimes/degrees.murder.htm

First Degree Felony Murder - A killing that happens during the course of the commission of a felony, even if the death is accidental, will be considered "felony murder" by most states. However, if the killing happens during certain felonies, again determined by state, it will be considered "first degree felony murder". The felonies most often included in this category are arson, robbery, burglary, rape, mayhem and kidnapping.