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Great article on m4 and h&k 416

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Sky, Mar 8, 2012.

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  1. Sky

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    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-usas-m4-carbine-controversy-03289/

    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-usas-m4-carbine-controversy-03289/#complaints

    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-usas-m4-carbine-controversy-03289/#m4


    Have we got any H&K 416 owners at THR? What are your thoughts?:scrutiny:
     
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  2. Ranger30-06

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    It's very expensive from what I've seen... If we were to go for it, I have a feeling we would only be buying uppers to slap onto out pre-existing lowers.

    I'm a SCAR fan though, and I really think that if we want to make the leap to a new weapon we need to:
    A) Choose a new family of weapon (SCAR etc.) instead of constantly band-aiding an old one.
    B) Up the round we shoot (.300 BLK, 6.8mm, etc.) if we are going to keep going with short barreled carbines.
    C) Open the machine gun registry so all of these M4s can be sold to pay off whatever new weapon we want to go with.

    Keep in mind, the M16's aren't the ones having problems; the little M4's are. I am a huge proponent of a more powerful, more reliable carbine. The problem is reliability and power both = weight and more money.
     
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    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=600758&page=2

    My response from a previous thread on the same topic (June 2011):

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  4. Blakenzy

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    Fat chance. They are more likely to go into the hands of Al-Q type rebels fighting Assad than into US Citizens' homes.
     
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    And we keep voting in the retarded people that think this is somehow smart. :rolleyes:

    Seriously. Open the registry, sell em off for $700 a piece. Sell 10,000 of them and you've got $7,000,000 towards new guns and accessories. How is this not smart for our military?

    Now figure the military gets brand new M4's for ~$400 a piece, that would mean selling 10,000 of them could buy 17.5K more NEW M4A1's. *sigh...*
     
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    Great write up Chindo18z and thanks for the knowledge.
     
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    There are knowledgeable writers and people considered "experts" from experience on both sides of the debate as far as i can tell. My opinion is that the carrier of a piston gun should ultimately ride on rails as opposed to a round channel. I do believe a piston, in principle, offers more reliability than DI. Its hard to ignore that nobody is trying to design a new DI gun but the whole carrier tilt issue and fact that an AR upper limits the size of a piston rod makes me have doubts about retrofits. I can't figure out why nobody has made a totally new upper for the AR that addresses these issues. It would of course not be able to use an AR carrier.
     
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    If we really wanted the very best, we should be looking for a design that uses a totally different magazine. The straight mag well does not help the M-4's reliability. Also, when looking at intermediate caliber rounds, it would mean we wouldn't be limited to ones that are shoehorned into a 5.56mm-length mag.

    Unfortunately all the current designs for an M4 replacement use STANAG mags.
     
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    They don't get the M4 for for $400.

    Bare rifle was over $800.
     
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    Wow really? Okay my aunts ex-husband had told me about 6 years ago that they were getting them for around $400... Just curious but what are they coming with "fully equipped"?

    Okay well even then, adjust the prices to $1,100 a piece and you still have a good plan...
     
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    RAS, rear sight, and 2 magazines I think.

    W52H09-07-D-0425-XXXX <--- Colt. The last 4 digits are who its for IIRC.
     
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