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GRNC Alert 12-22-2012: Is BATFE Moving To Ban Ammo?

Discussion in 'Activism' started by Green Lantern, Dec 24, 2012.

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  1. Green Lantern

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    The following is from an email from Grass Roots North Carolina

     
  2. hso

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    Good alert!
     
  3. Checkman

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    Okay I sent my letter. We'll see what happens.
     
  4. we are not amused

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    It might be a good idea to point out that the handguns so chambered are almost all universely used for sporting purposes such as hunting.
     
  5. Kush

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    I read the BATF article and it sounds like they are planing on adding exemptions for certain ammunition (lead free ammunition that would normally be defined as armor piercing), not removing them.
     
  6. JVaughn

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    I agree Kush, sounded positive to me. I sent my letter. Thanks.
     
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    Sent. Yes, could be a good thing, could make things worse. It depends on what they hear.
     
  8. ccsniper

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    could someone explain this? I don't seem to be getting it.
     
  9. 68wj

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    AP handgun ammo is banned but there are many handguns that are chambered in rifle calibers (especially the increasing popularity of AR style pistols). If the ATF classifies a particular cartridge as a handgun round, even if it is primarily used in rifles, then it may be banned depending on its construction. There are "sporting purposes" that may exempt some of this ammo though and still allow it. Currently, 5.56 surplus is exempted, but this development may mean it could lose that status and be outlawed. This could potentially affect many of the monolithic bullets too if their AP criteria are expanded.

    Since the restrictions are based on Law Enforcement safety, and the exceptions are based on "sporting purposes", here are some considerations:

    Rifle ammunition by its nature of size and velocity will pierce most soft body armor and structure regardless of bullet construction. Modern protection against rifle ammunition includes ceramic or similar panels, of which will also defeat true AP bullets. Therefore, AP rifle ammunition poses no greater threat to Law Enforcement than traditional rifle ammunition, regardless of whether it is fired from a pistol or rifle.

    Ammunition is an extremely expensive portion of any shooting sport, whether for the extensive practice required to become proficient or the end use itself. Many surplus cartridges may lessen the cost burden. Many of these surplus cartridges may be constructed with steel cores or jackets, but fill a need for a shooter/hunter's sporting purpose.

    Many bullets prized for their accuracy or performance on game animals are comprised of a solid metal such as copper. This type of bullet may also benefit from other blends of metal that fall into the AP category. Furthermore, these bullets may be considered non-toxic due to their lack of lead and would be allowed in protected condor habits in California.
     
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    I sent mine. At the time I'd forgotten about the AK and AR pistols, but basically said I didn't think that rifle caliber pistols were making much of a splash in crime.

    The timing of this couldn't be more telling and they're looking for a reason to meddle about. It's quite annoying and back-handed and unnecessary. I pretty much said all that minus the "annoying" bit. I don't think I was outright rude, but I made it known that I thought they were being nit-picky. I'm much more polite in my letters to representatives.
     
  11. hso

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    In truth, AK and AR pistols don't factor into crime, but what actually plays a roll in crime isn't of much interest to banners.

    Bolt-action pistols firing carbine or rifle calibers have been around a long time and in use for hunting, but the AK and AR pistols are relatively new. In this case the BATFE may be looking at the way that the development carbine/rifle caliber pistols affect the regulations and how they need to be interpreted.
     
  12. Trent

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    My letter.

    As a Federal Firearms Licensee, I responded to the open comment period.

     
  13. mr.scott

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    Would you stop trying to justify it using "sporting/hunting uses".
    We need to stop being defensive and start being offensive. Remind the idiots in power that the 2nd amendment isn't about sporting or hunting. It's about keeping the government in check.
     
  14. PowderMonkey

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    Haha ok I'll let you use that verbiage in an email to the ATF. :eek:
     
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    Now Feinstein is wanting to regulate 'assault pistols' whatever that is.

    ONly legal description I've seen about 'assault rifles' is the media (whatever they want to identify as assault) and DOD's grossly inept attempt to define an assault rifle. They basically try to identify Ouzi but add almost everything to the definition..
     
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