"Gun Battle at the White House" by Robert Novak

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For those of you who don't know, Robert Novak is a noted conservative columnist. In his editorial in today's Washington Post, he questions the Bush administration's - and Bush's himself - commitment to "individual right" in the coming Supreme Court case. Most remarkably, he argues that Bush is to the left of Obama on this issue.

Anyway, I think this is relevant to this community, so I'm posting it. Again, keep in mind that Novak is a conservative and a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment.



Gun Battle at the White House?
By Robert D. Novak
Thursday, March 13, 2008; A17
Washington Post

In preparation for oral arguments Tuesday on the extent of gun rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment, the U.S. Supreme Court has before it a brief signed by Vice President Cheney opposing the Bush administration's stance. Even more remarkably, Cheney is faithfully reflecting the views of President Bush.

The government position filed with the Supreme Court by U.S. Solicitor General Paul Clement stunned gun advocates by opposing the breadth of an appellate court's affirmation of individual ownership rights. The Justice Department, not the vice president, is out of order. But if Bush agrees with Cheney, why did the president not simply order Clement to revise his brief? The answers: disorganization and weakness in the eighth year of his presidency.

Consequently, a Republican administration finds itself aligned against the most popular tenet of social conservatism: gun rights, which enjoy much wider agreement than do opposition to abortion or gay marriage. Promises in two presidential campaigns are being abandoned, and Bush finds himself to the left of even Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama.

The 1976 D.C. statute prohibiting ownership of all functional firearms was called unconstitutional a year ago in an opinion by Senior Judge Laurence Silberman, a conservative who has served on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit for 22 years. It was assumed that Bush would fight Mayor Adrian Fenty's appeal.

The president and his senior staff were stunned to learn, on the day it was issued, that Clement's petition called on the high court to return the case to the appeals court. The solicitor general argued that Silberman's opinion supporting individual gun rights was so broad that it would endanger federal gun control laws such as the bar on owning machine guns. The president could have ordered a revised brief by Clement.

But facing congressional Democratic pressure to keep his hands off the Justice Department, Bush did not act.

Cheney did join 55 senators and 250 House members in signing a brief supporting the Silberman ruling. Although this unprecedented vice presidential intervention was widely interpreted as a dramatic breakaway from the White House, longtime associates could not believe that Cheney would defy the president. In fact, he did not. Bush approved what Cheney did in his constitutional role as president of the Senate.

That has not lessened puzzlement over Clement, a 41-year-old conservative Washington lawyer who clerked for Silberman and later for Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. Clement has tried to explain his course to the White House by claiming that he feared Justice Anthony Kennedy, the Supreme Court's current swing vote, would join a liberal majority on gun rights if forced to rule on Silberman's opinion.

The more plausible explanation for Clement's stance is that he could not resist opposition to individual gun rights by career lawyers in the Justice Department's Criminal Division (who clashed with the Office of Legal Counsel in a heated internal struggle). Newly installed Attorney General Michael Mukasey, a neophyte at Justice, was unaware of the conflict and learned about Clement's position only after it had been locked in.

A majority of both houses in the Democratic-controlled Congress are on record as being against the District's gun prohibition. So are 31 states, with only five (New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey and Hawaii) in support. Sen. Barack Obama has weighed in against the D.C. law, asserting that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms -- not just collective authority to form militias.

This popular support for gun rights is not reflected by an advantage in the oral arguments to take place Tuesday. Former solicitor general Walter Dellinger, an old hand at arguing before the Supreme Court, will make the case for the gun prohibition. Opposing counsel Alan Gura, making his first appearance before the high court, does not have the confidence of gun-ownership advocates (who tried to replace him with former solicitor general Ted Olson).

The cause needs help from Clement during his 15-minute oral argument, but it won't get it if he reiterates his written brief. The word was passed in government circles this week that Clement would amend his position when he actually faces the justices -- which would be an odd ending to bizarre behavior by the Justice Department.
 
Great piece and the last sentence carries some hope:

The word was passed in government circles this week that Clement would amend his position when he actually faces the justices -- which would be an odd ending to bizarre behavior by the Justice Department.
 
They can claim all kinds of excuses but a pile of coincidences starts to look suspicious. Seems more like the administration really meant what it said and now is trying to get some cover.

Gun rights are one of the HOT BUTTON issues with conservatives and somehow this just got overlooked? It snuck by before anyone could read what it said? It was written in fear that one justice might not like it?

Remember, Bush earlier came out and boldly stated that he would sign a renewed AWB if Congress passed it to his desk. He had no need to say that. It wasn't even being voted on. In fact, Congress wanted nothing to do with it.

I think the admins brief stated exactly what Bush wanted it to say.

If we want to protect our gun rights, then we have to vote for and fund those politicians that DO as we want, not work against us and then make lame excuses to the contrary.

Has Bush actively done ANYTHING in his eight years to demonstrate he is pro gun rights? I can't remember anything. Why should we think he is if he did nothing for us?

NOTE: I am not a Democrat, but am losing faith in the Republican party as any kind of representation of conservative values, so this is not a rant on Repubs for it own sake.
 
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I think the admins brief stated exactly what Bush wanted it to say.

If we want to protect our gun rights, then we have to vote for and fund those politicians that DO as we want, not work against us and then make lame excuses to the contrary.

Has Bush actively done ANYTHING in his eight years to demonstrate he is pro gun rights? I can't remember anything. Why should we think he is if he did nothing for us?

NOTE: I am not a Democrat, but am losing faith in the Republican party as any kind of representation of conservative values, so this is not a rant on Repubs for it own sake.

I agree fully with your observations.

What an incredible opportunity for Bush, who claimed to be pro gun rights, to have actually done something significant with a case like this.
 
Having worked for a state Attorney General for a number of years I have little doubt that the US Attorney General gets a copy of every brief being filed at the US S.Ct. far in advance of filing. I cannot imagine this administration not discussing the matter in the White House prior to a filing; even if just at a "Here's what we're going to say" level.
 
Sen. Barack Obama has weighed in against the D.C. law, asserting that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms -- not just collective authority to form militias.

Hmmm...For all the Obama-bashing that goes on here - he doesn't sound like a gun-grabber in this quote. Am I missing something?
 
Hmmm...For all the Obama-bashing that goes on here - he doesn't sound like a gun-grabber in this quote. Am I missing something?


Maybe coming to terms that millions of Americans wont give up their gun rights,he (or she) will say ANYTHING to get elected.Always little being said with no disclosure on any real issue...just my .02
 
Hmmm...For all the Obama-bashing that goes on here - he doesn't sound like a gun-grabber in this quote. Am I missing something?

You are. This is Obama's stance on guns according to CNN (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html):

Supports extending the assault weapons ban. Supports national law against carrying concealed weapons, with exceptions for retired police and military personnel. Supports limiting gun sales to one per month.


Sounds like a high grade gun-grabber to me:barf:
 
Yes, you're missing the rest of the statement where he basically states that the government has the right to ban anything they want.

Okay, so you want to be picky. But take a more objective view and you should recognize that Barack Obama isn't focused exclusively on banning guns. This is a fine man who has a vision of how everyone should behave and all he wants to do is make sure everyone does behave that way. He welcomes differences of opinion as long as they're not different from his and his wife's, and you do things their way anyway. What's wrong with that?

Obama has good advisors too, like Louis Farrakhan (leader of the Nation of Islam) and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright (the Obamas' pastor), both of whom are Obama's constituents and supporters. They know that the basic problem with the United States is the United States, and Obama knows it too. Once it's no longer the United States everything will be okay. What's wrong with that?

Oprah Winfrey supports Barack Obama too and she wouldn't do it if he weren't a good guy. She's nice too, and you have to admire her smiley face. So what's wrong with that?

Lighten up and vote for Barack Obama. He's a new voice on the American political scene and only sounds like voices we've heard in the past. But he's much better looking, dresses better, speaks well, and is a lot more fun. He knows what's wrong with America and what's good for you and everyone else too. He doesn't need either knowledge or experience: he's got instincts and advisors. And what could possibly be wrong with that?
 
I am thinking things are not going to be getting any better any time soon. I think I'll go out to the garage and do some reloading.
 
I've maintained that neither party, and no one on the hill wants an armed populace. Given Bush jr's history, his dad's history, and Reagan's history, I'm going to say something I've never said before, and will probably never say again. At least the liberal gun grabbers are honest about their position on this issue.

I've seen it at the state level here. Every single one of them will talk about how pro 2a they are with a reporter or lobbying group in front of them. But behind the scenes, in the committees, where the real decisions get made, they fight to restrict our liberties. Closet antis. We elect a lot of them.
 
The government position filed with the Supreme Court by U.S. Solicitor General Paul Clement stunned gun advocates by opposing the breadth of an appellate court's affirmation of individual ownership rights. The Justice Department, not the vice president, is out of order. But if Bush agrees with Cheney, why did the president not simply order Clement to revise his brief? The answers: disorganization and weakness in the eighth year of his presidency.


And there you have it. You either believe that Bush is too weak to control his VP or he is too weak to control the SG. My money is on Cheney. Cheney has always been pro 2A and never voted against it that I know of.

He knows his career is over in January and has nothing to lose at this point. He neither cares nor worries about offending the president because everything is pretty well set. And he clearly stands out from the crowd as NOT a moron:

In 1988, he was one of only 4 members voting against a ban on plastic guns that could slip through airport security machines undetected.
 
vote for Barack - what's wrong with that?

Robert Hairless said, several times:
What's wrong with that?


I had to read your post 1 and 1/2 times to get it.


Pretty funny, I must say.
 
Give Robert Hairless a cigar. He hit the nail on the head. His post is funny, but way more scarry !!

But smoking is evil. I know that because everyone says so. The more people who say something the more I believe it. I'm actually very stupid but a really nice guy.

I wonder if Barack Obama read that post too, or similar comments from many other people. Just now CNN.com published a "news report" that "The Rev. Jeremiah Wright is no longer serving on the African American Religious Leadership Committee" for the Obama Campaign, according to a campaign source.

What I think that means is that the Rev. Wright won't get a second helping of dessert at Obama family dinners. Given the kind of elusive--but absolutely sincere and believeable--thinking that Barack Obama has displayed, this is a serious repudiation of the Rev. Wright's blatant racism. So Michelle Obama will give the Rev. Wright a third helping of dessert and just skip the second helping.

Could it be that Barack Obama is simply more stupid than anyone credits? The other alternative is that Obama is a blatant racist and the Democratic Party is either very stupid or quite a nasty assemblage of bigots.

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright has been Barack and Michelle Obama's pastor for twenty years but Obama has just discovered that what he has been preaching to them is viscious, racist, anti-Americanism. Do the Obamas sort of drift off into a trance when the Rev. Wright speaks and not hear anything he says? That's probable because of what Obama said today:

In his statement Friday, Obama said he had not personally heard the controversial sermons.

"When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments," Obama wrote. "But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church."

What Obama actually said at the beginning of his presidential campaign was that the Rev. Wright was more like an old uncle to him and that the Rev. Wright was his spiritual advisor, not his political advisor. But the thing is that it took running for president for the Rev. Wright's statements to come to Barack Obama's "attention." Twenty years of listening to the Rev. Wright did not get through to him. This Barack Obama could be the poster child for Attention Deficit Disorder.

Or Barack Obama is a sleazy bigot and a dangerous man who is about to be elected to the presidency of a country he despises, representing a people he loathes. Obama has brushed off critics of his support from the Rev. Wright, Louis Farrakhan, and others of similar political--and of course "spiritual"--disposition by saying the he can't be held responsible for who supports him. But of course he is responsible. If they did not see an affinity in him they would not support him. Wright and Farrakhan are Barack Obama's constituents. They helped to elect Obama Senator, they support Obama's presidential campaign, and Obama represents them.

Barack Obama is no Martin Luther King.

I had hoped and prayed to see the end of racism during my lifetime. For a long time it looked as if we were making great progress towards that end. What I see now is painful, and I suspect that it will get worse. So much time, so much pain, so much work, so much blood to make an America that is much, much better than it had been when I was a boy .... Please let it not all be wasted by unscrupulous politicians or the "spiritual advisors" who shape their thinking and behavior.

The tragic irony in Barack Obama's campaign and the tragic flaw in his character is that he--and his supporters and "spiritual advisors"--accuse anyone who criticizes him of being a racist.
 
Hairless- I am not sure what Obama has to do with the chief resident of the White house and the chief resident of the Naval Observatory supporting different points of view on the RKBA.
 
Hmmm...For all the Obama-bashing that goes on here - he doesn't sound like a gun-grabber in this quote. Am I missing something?

He was replying to raibowbobs initial observation at the beginning of this string. Rainbowbob acknowledged later that he was indeed missing something, now you're not.
 
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