ca4106
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That's just my opinion, but I think my theory makes sense:
http://freedomedium.com/2009/06/gun-buyback-programs-actually-benefit-criminals/
http://freedomedium.com/2009/06/gun-buyback-programs-actually-benefit-criminals/
Gun Buyback Programs Actually Benefit Criminals
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rickomatic
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There is an even larger 900 pound gorilla in the room here.
When "buy back" programs are held, the usual procedure is to accept some kind of gift card for turning in a firearm "NO QUESTIONS ASKED". Upon receipt of these weapons, they are summarily destroyed. Essentially what is happening in I'm sure not a small number of instances, is the easy disposal of a firearm used in a crime, and the evidence being destroyed by the very agency tasked with SOLVING crimes.
If this isn't a clear example of the lunacy of the left, then I don't know what is.
ps. unless and until someone can show me a "right wing" organization or politician who is involved in such stupidity as this, save your cries of "it's not only liberals who want gun control" for someone else.
When "buy back" programs are held, the usual procedure is to accept some kind of gift card for turning in a firearm "NO QUESTIONS ASKED". Upon receipt of these weapons, they are summarily destroyed. Essentially what is happening in I'm sure not a small number of instances, is the easy disposal of a firearm used in a crime, and the evidence being destroyed by the very agency tasked with SOLVING crimes.
If this isn't a clear example of the lunacy of the left, then I don't know what is.
ps. unless and until someone can show me a "right wing" organization or politician who is involved in such stupidity as this, save your cries of "it's not only liberals who want gun control" for someone else.
MinnMooney
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I can relate to most of this dude's premises and believe most are very real and proveable ideas but the idea that the person returns home to an un-weaponed home just because he/she turned in one weapon is asking for a gunfight. If I had some old revolver that was broken, too rusted or otherwise worthless I'd turn it in to get a voucher for a couple of meals at a decent restraunt. The gun would have to be worth the same or less than the amount given by the police but I'd do it. Heaven help the person who tried to rob me by following me home.
The Lone Haranguer
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Does that really happen? Not even a NCIC (or whatever system they use) check to see if it was stolen?rickomatic said:
I joked about that one time when someone jokingly asked me about disposing of a murder weapon. But I'm sure that if I thought of it, then plenty of criminals have to.
If someone has some info on exactly what they do with the bought back guns prior to destroying them, I'd love to hear it. Do they check the SNs against a list of guns that were reported stolen? Do they test fire the gun, then compare the round fired to every round ever recovered at the scene of any and all unsolved crimes?
MinnMooney
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If I were a criminal "trying to get rid of" a murder weapon, the very LAST place that I'd bring it is a buy-back program!!! I might get free dinner..................... for life!
ca4106
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To MinnMooney and The Lone Haranguer:
Minn, yes, many folks would not be coming home to a weaponless house, however when doing the research for this story I observed one of these buyback programs taking place.
Most of the guns being turned in were neither rusty nor broken as far as I could tell from my vantage point.
Also, quite a few of the people I saw turning in weapons were elderly females who possibly lost a husband and wanted to "get that gun out of the house."
Haranguer:
The cops running the buyback program may have check for info on the weapons AFTERWARDS, but during the time I watched this take place I din't see anyone asked for any identification.
This particular one took place in a very small town, so perhaps the police simply didn't think that it may have been a good idea to be able to trace a gun back to the person who turned it in.
You raise a very good question and I'll have to look into it for a future article.
Minn, yes, many folks would not be coming home to a weaponless house, however when doing the research for this story I observed one of these buyback programs taking place.
Most of the guns being turned in were neither rusty nor broken as far as I could tell from my vantage point.
Also, quite a few of the people I saw turning in weapons were elderly females who possibly lost a husband and wanted to "get that gun out of the house."
Haranguer:
The cops running the buyback program may have check for info on the weapons AFTERWARDS, but during the time I watched this take place I din't see anyone asked for any identification.
This particular one took place in a very small town, so perhaps the police simply didn't think that it may have been a good idea to be able to trace a gun back to the person who turned it in.
You raise a very good question and I'll have to look into it for a future article.
MinnMooney
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ca4106 (post #9) :
I can see that. - BUT - An "elderly" woman may not have known how to even use it when needed. Following her home from even the grocery store would have the same result.
I can see that. - BUT - An "elderly" woman may not have known how to even use it when needed. Following her home from even the grocery store would have the same result.
I bet the overwhelming majority of bought-back guns are 1) non-functional, 2) bought from folks that wouldn't know how (or have the will) to use them, or 3) stored away (by the elderly widow, et al) and would not be readily retrievable. Don't get me wrong, I detest any sort of gun control, but until the day that the buy-back nazis make it mandatory, I don't think they affect gun owners like us very much.
Erik M
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I had never thought of the no questions asked policy actually benifiting those breaking the law. Rickomatic makes a very good point.
My first thought has been it's a perfect way to get rid of a gun used to shoot someone. The Leos are pretty smart and often times find the murder weapon even if it was thrown in a river or whatever. If you give gun to the police to destroy it makes it that much harder to be convicted.
Once I went to one of those with what I don't remember. There was a guy there with a very nice video camera walking up and down the line making sure he got everybody at least once.
Once I went to one of those with what I don't remember. There was a guy there with a very nice video camera walking up and down the line making sure he got everybody at least once.
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jakemccoy
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I can't imagine a criminal with a murder weapon wanting to go anywhere near a cop. I can't imagine a criminal wanting to go near a cop, period.
Bhamrichard
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Some people have BIG brass ones.
FROGO207
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+1 to posts 17&18.
IMHO MOST criminals are criminals because they are lazy and want the easy way out of surviving in this world. Yeah some are using violence as power but most are lazy and careless. How do you think most get caught.
IMHO MOST criminals are criminals because they are lazy and want the easy way out of surviving in this world. Yeah some are using violence as power but most are lazy and careless. How do you think most get caught.
Double Naught Spy
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Well, while I agree that gun buybacks don't make society any better, I believe the arguments for why the gun buybacks make things better for criminals are just as spurious as why gun buybacks make things better for society.
Most of the cities involved in buybacks have large police departments and those departments are going to be involved in various public outreach programs. A gun buyback program is just another one of those programs. So if they aren't doing gun buybacks, you can pretty well be assured that the time saved isn't going to be converted into directly fighting crime, but into other outreach programs like bicycle rodeos, speaking at MADD engagements, stranger danger programs, etc. Gun buybacks are not pulling cops off the street.
While the number of law abiding citizens owning firearms may be reduced, it is naive to believe that the number of people being able to have an effective means of self defense has been reduced. In large part, this is because those people selling guns at a buyback aren't likely to be using them for self defense in the first place. They are the people who don't like guns and who have in possession guns that they don't want and so these people aren't likely to turn to guns during a crisis even if they own them. In part, this is because such people won't have the guns kept in a readily accessible position and condition.
A person owning a gun or guns that would be willing to sell them at a gun buyback isn't likely to be self promoting gun ownership in order to keep criminals away.
The velocity of a .357 isn't relevant as these sellers aren't likely to be prepared to use their guns for self defense.
Ah! The Sally Struthers' "save the children" style of argument. The horror!
Yeah, what documentation do you have that this happens? A person is more likely to be followed home from the grocery store, a bar, or from work than from a gun buyback.
Most of the cities involved in buybacks have large police departments and those departments are going to be involved in various public outreach programs. A gun buyback program is just another one of those programs. So if they aren't doing gun buybacks, you can pretty well be assured that the time saved isn't going to be converted into directly fighting crime, but into other outreach programs like bicycle rodeos, speaking at MADD engagements, stranger danger programs, etc. Gun buybacks are not pulling cops off the street.
While the number of law abiding citizens owning firearms may be reduced, it is naive to believe that the number of people being able to have an effective means of self defense has been reduced. In large part, this is because those people selling guns at a buyback aren't likely to be using them for self defense in the first place. They are the people who don't like guns and who have in possession guns that they don't want and so these people aren't likely to turn to guns during a crisis even if they own them. In part, this is because such people won't have the guns kept in a readily accessible position and condition.
A person owning a gun or guns that would be willing to sell them at a gun buyback isn't likely to be self promoting gun ownership in order to keep criminals away.
The velocity of a .357 isn't relevant as these sellers aren't likely to be prepared to use their guns for self defense.
Ah! The Sally Struthers' "save the children" style of argument. The horror!
Yeah, what documentation do you have that this happens? A person is more likely to be followed home from the grocery store, a bar, or from work than from a gun buyback.
oldpuppymax
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Thugs "turn in" junk weapons for cash and then use the cash for whatever purposes they wish. You can BET it won't be for the purchase of another gun, as that will be stolen instead. Much less expensive that way. These are typical "feel good" programs, intended to portray leftists as "caring" for the well being of the "little people." But they are, in fact, utterly useless and thoroughly ineffectual.
jakemccoy
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FROGO207 said:
OK, I can buy that. I can understand a murderer taking his gun to a buy back if he's lazy, careless, and not thinking about being around a bunch of cops.
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