Gun control conspiracies

[QuickDraw]

Heres something I've been pondering.
Do you think the anti-gun folks really are plotting the disarmament of America
so they can control an unarmed population?
Sometimes I have trouble believing that in dark backrooms
people are gathered,rubbing their hands together,laughing
manically about first the guns, then the country,bwaa,ha,ha.
Now don't get me wrong here,I love a good conspiracy theory
just as much as the next guy,but is there a "master plan"
in effect?
Or is it just that the politicians need a scapegoat and firearms
owners got picked?
Is it intentional wittling away at rights,or touchy feel good,
political correctness?
Or is there something in this Califonian water?
Uh oh,is that a knock at the door........

QuickDraw

 

[geekWithA.45]

In the hall of smoke and mirrors, it's damnably hard to figure out the why's and wherefores.

My guess is gun controller motivation is all over the map:

-Fear
-The misguided belief that problems like crime can be solved by these means
-Fear
-Genuine distrust or dislike of the people
-Fear
-Magical/utopian thinking
-Fear
-And some are in it as a power grab.

At the end of the day, the motivation doesn't really matter, all that much, does it? Whether their intentions are noble or craven, the end result is the diminution of freedom, and as such, the declare themselves a menace to freedom.

We must also remember that it is WE who elected the folks, and granted them access to the halls of power.

Ultimately, We the People must be educated to the issues, and behave accordingly.


(Most) Elected officials have a very simple behavioral program:

They will do whatever it is they think will get them votes, and not do whatever it is that will lose them votes.


Principled behavior really isn't a factor, for most.

If We the People demanded it, most elected officials would eat spit roasted human babies, live, on camera, and smile doing it.

 

[geegee]

Do you think the anti-gun folks really are plotting the disarmament of America

In a word, no. The overwhelming majority of the anti's are too politically astute for that. Gun control is a wonderful issue to keep alive for election time, and primarily for Democrats. Think of the traction that can be gained in a close election primary by painting your foe as a fan of "assault weapons," "black rifles," "cop killer bullets," "guns that can't possibly be used for hunting purpose," ad nauseum. All of this because that foe may have voted in some way to preserve Second Amendment rights. It's a very emotional issue (for both sides), but the anti's know the power of the TV ad that tugs at the heart strings of every undecided soccer mom voter, and to be able to include some of these intellectually dishonest terms in such ads is to them, manna from heaven.

I do believe there are the true believers that would disarm our country tomorrow if they could, but I don't think those in the know would prefer it, primarily for the reasons stated above. Now as far as limiting our rights of gun ownership, I think all the anti's want that. It's just that I make the distinction between those that want to do so incrementally, vs. those that would hasten the process.

If there's one benefit that's been gained from the terrorist attacks on our country, it may be that more and more Americans have begun to actually give thought to the security of their home, their neighborhoods, and their workplace, and how personal gun ownership may be connected to these issues. For a lot of these folks, they are finally asking themselves whether or not they would be willing to sacrifice their Second Amendment rights in a post 9-11 world, especially at the suggestion of a well protected Congresscritter. geegee

 

[Edward429451]

Yes.

Its been declared in the United States Code as a mission intent or something like that. I posted the link on this very forum a couple weeks back, but dang it, I didn't save it to my favorites or anything... Anybody remember or know where its at?

 

[Standing Wolf]

Yes.

-Fear
-The misguided belief that problems like crime can be solved by these means
-Fear
-Genuine distrust or dislike of the people
-Fear
-Magical/utopian thinking
-Fear
-And some are in it as a power grab.

I believe there's a great deal of racism in the leftist extremists' efforts to disarm the commoners, as well as hatred, plus a large factor of compulsion to control in others that which they most fear in themselves.

 

[Jim March]

Here's what scares me:

Go into any Chinese eatery. Notice how the food is all chopped up on your plate, and there's no knife at the table or any need for one?

You know why?

Because when the Mongols took over China, they passed an edict limiting every Chinese village to one kitchen knife - per village, to be used at a central food-prep area.

That's how deeply the culture was affected by a weapons control law passed over 700 years ago.

And it wasn't just table manners affected. They've lived under governments that basically sucked wind ever since. Within the last 50 years, their government killed at least 20 million people outright, and that same government is still in power, and has murdered more since without public complaint.

The lesson, for anybody with eyes to see, is that gun control can be used to create a "nation of sheeple eager to be led". It works.

It'll work here if we let it.

 

[WyldOne]

I totally agree with geekwitha.45.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I don't think that most anti-gunners have malicious intentions, I think that they think they're doing "the right thing".

 

[morganm01]

DIANNE FEINSTEIN, U.S. SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA
"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.â€213
" If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban,
picking up every one of them: "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in," I would have
done it.â€214
"The national guard fulfills the militia mentioned in the Second amendment. Citizens no
longer need to protect the states or themselves."

HOWARD METZENBAUM, FORMER U.S. SENATOR
"No, we're not looking at how to control criminals ... we're talking about banning the AK-
47 and semi-automatic guns."

PETE STARK, U.S. REPRESENTATIVE FROM CALIFORNIA
"If a bill to ban handguns came to the house floor, I would vote for it.â€

WILLIAM CLAY, U.S. REPRESENTATIVE FROM MISSOURI
" ...we need much stricter gun control, and eventually should bar the ownership of
handguns"

MAJOR OWENS, U.S. REPRESENTATIVE FROM NEW YORK
“We have to start with a ban on the manufacturing and import of handguns. From there
we register the guns which are currently owned, and follow that with additional bans and
acquisitions of handguns and rifles with no sporting purpose.â€

SARAH BRADY, CHAIRPERSON FOR HANDGUN CONTROL, INC. (NOW THE BRADY CAMPAIGN)
"...I don't believe gun owners have rights."

PATRICK V. MURPHY, FORMER NEW YORK CITY POLICE COMMISSIONER
"We are at the point in time and terror where nothing short of a strong uniform policy of
domestic disarmament will alleviate the danger which is crystal clear and perilously
present. Let us take the guns away from the people."

JANET RENO, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL
"The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the
possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace."

I see no conspiracy

 

[Bruce H]

Jim March is dead right on this one. It is far easier to follow and promote an agenda if the opposition isn't shooting at you. Take a careful stroll through history. Arm, conquer, disarm. Mao did it rather effectively. They need weapons to push their agenda but once in power disarm all but the trusted military.

 

[geekWithA.45]

Jim March's point is dead on.

Some lies, once entrenched, can live for millenia.

Some massive lies, manipulations and distortions of truth by those in power, can affect the psyches of millions, shake the foundations of castles and cathedrals, and lend their color to the entire world.

We are privileged to be alive to witness the coming of a New Big Lie, and it is a doozy:


That the second amendment does not protect the individual's right to keep and bear arms, it protects the states right to the national guard; that the individuals "privilege" of arms is related to "sporting purposes", and is subject to the arbitrary discretion of the state.


This lie must be killed in this generation, here and now, before it is passed onto the next, because once that happens, it will take on a life of its own.

Even now, the Big Lies life power is stirring, as it is accepted by too many uncritical minds.

It is we who are the bridge, and we who must fight this battle for mindshare, while there are still those of us left who remember.

 

[Blain]

Do you think the anti-gun folks really are plotting the disarmament of America

Search inside yourself, grasshopper, you know it to be true.

Of course the average Joe Blow on the street is not in on it. The majority of the public have been lead into believing that gun control is a good idea. You have to look at the source of all this to see who stands to gain. Obviously the ones at the top promoting gun control see a ripe opportunity. The only "Do gooders" in the anti-gun community are the regular people at the bottom, the moms and such who think they are doing the right thing. The elite’s at the top promoting and pushing this are very intelligent people, they know what gun control is really all about....they know what it's purpose is. They want, need, the power and control.

 

[BB93YJ]

It's probably not a conspiracy per se, but there is a lot of coordinated effort to nullify or castrate the 2nd Ammendment. Start by not teaching about the Constitution, how can a generation fight for rights if they don't even know they have them? If the Constitution is taught, mangle the meaning and twist the simple words that are so plain to us, here on THR, to say they mean something they don't. Like stating the militia spoken of in the 2nd means the National Guard, or, that the maintaining of a militia is a "Right" of the State. Or, ignoring the fact that in the Constitution, "Rights" are the sole possession of "The People" and "Powers" are the only thing 'States' or 'The State' have, thru the pleasure of "The People". Mix that with the idealogues, crooks, and powerhungry twerps that make up a large part of "the opposition" we have to put up with...darn, there's that black helicopter again...

 

[Blain]

Start by not teaching about the Constitution, how can a generation fight for rights if they don't even know they have them? If the Constitution is taught, mangle the meaning and twist the simple words that are so plain to us,

Yes, and now you have to ask yourself, just why would the country begin doing this all of a sudden when it has been a part of our heritige for years? I garantee you that it is more than just a stroke of bad luck, or ones fical feelings.

 

[Solinvictus70]

I really believe that in some circles, yes, it is a deliberate conspiracy to disarm civilians. There are supporters, of course, who are of an impractical mindset which believes that the lack of guns will fundamentally reverse human nature and there will be no more predatory criminals. I also believe that there are many of the "soccer mom" ilk whose lives are largely insular against the immediate possibility of being a crime victim and as such, have no idea that most others are not so lucky.
Among the self-appointed "elite", it has to be a conspiracy. The quotes by Feinstein, et al are clear on their intentions. Those of us in the "flyover areas", that is outside NYC, Washington DC, or LA, are simply idiots whose lives, opinions, and rights are meaningless in the face of their political and social philosophies. These, I genuinely believe, would sic their thugs on us at first opportunity. They are evil people in the truest sense of the word because they seek to have totalitarian rule over all of us.

 

[QuickDraw]

First,let me say thanks to all that replied.
Living in California I need to turn to folks outside the asylum
for a breath of fresh air!
You wouldn't believe (or maybe you would!)some of the
"discussions" I've had with some of the drones here.
I've bounced the conspiracy theory around and am always
met with "The government would never do that".

Anyway,this is QuickDraw,reporting live from occupied territory.

QuickDraw

 

[Hal]

Do you think the anti-gun folks really are plotting the disarmament of America

Do a google search for:
Black Panther Party Shotgun

Read any number of the results. That should help explain why California is so deep into gun control.

Note also I don't support the Black Panthers ideaology(sp?). Their ulitmate goal was a socialist utopia right out of Chairman Mao's book...and then some.

Where it started out though was with armed Blacks following the Oakland police cars as they patroled the city just to "keep an eye on them".
(BTW, give credit where it's due here - - it was Gov. Reagan's idea to start the ball rolling and disarm the Black Panthers)
The whole thing just snowballed into the mess you have out there now.( And the mess the USA in general has)

Check this out:
http://www.tao.ca/~lemming/seize/seize4.htm

 

[jimpeel]

There are those who would love to see the populace disarmed as they have designs on our money. Unbridled taxation is not possible under today’s armed society.

The people who would desire this are the ones who would push the hardest for “gun control†and would be the ones most interested in gaining support from a duped populace that they could convince this was necessary for the good of all.

The thing I tell people is this:

Answer this one question for yourself and you will know everything you need to know about gun control. If it is, as the Founders stated in the debates, that firearms in the hands of the populace are the last bastion against government tyranny; why is it that that same government is so anxious to take those firearms out of the hands of its citizenry?

The answer is power, of course. The power to control. The power to tax. The power to punish.

The main thing that is going on is an unwitting conspiracy wherein the vast majority of the “conspirators†are unaware that there is a conspiracy. They are merely being duped into a cooperative effort in the guise of safety.

 

[SkunkApe]

The problem with the "evil master plan" conspiracy of gun control is this: time.

Think about it. Gun control in the United States, essentially started in 1968. Tha't over thirty-three years ago, and we're still nowhere near the point of having a disarmed populace ready to be subjected to forceful government tyranny. Who involved in the 1968 GCA is still alive today? Who that would benefit from gun control?

There is no master plan; no central conspiracy for gun control. Most people who support gun control honestly think its for the good of society. A few support it for political gains. One or two do just to annoy me.

 

[P95Carry]

It might be generally agreed that a concerted effort to ''come take em away'' would truly result in a blood bath potentially.

No ... subtlety and stealth is the method .... nibble, nibble, nibble. Bit by bit ... unconstitutional laws and appendices are being added .. often with no great fanfare ..... plus, what gets thru in places like CA, IL, MD etc .. can ever so gradually ''migrate'' toward supposed ''safe areas''. Look at what is the status quo in Chicago!!!

Conspiracy? ...... hardly matters whether that is your take or not. What DOES matter is the ''stealth'' approach that thru attrition, gradually de-values the 2nd .... and allows for downright unconstitutional changes to occur.

Look at registration .... BATFE has long probably had access to data supposedly unobtainable to them .... all potentially entered in to a database .... so any protest against registration is in part too late ..... it's happening. That is always IMO a first and major move toward potential confiscation .... knowing ''who has what'' ........ then go ''collect''.

Paranoia is not good but neither is complacency.... just take a stroll back thru time .. since 1968 anyways ... and see just how much has slowly changed and been eroded. Project that into the future and unless controlled ..... there could be much worse to come.

No use saying .. ''Nah - it can never happen''

 

[Devonai]

Conspiracy, n. a combination of persons for an evil purpose: a plot.

Conspire, v.i. 1. combine for an unlawful purpose; plot secretly. 2. concur to one end.

Webster's College Dictionary

So if you agree that gun control is either evil or unlawful, then you agree that there's a conspiracy.

 

[Nightfall]

Be there a conspiracy or not, the immediate problem still lies in the same place, IMHO:

All the ignorant masses who never examine their fear or other feelings about the issues with a unbiased look at the facts. People who let that little uncertainty or that terror society gradually instilled regarding firearms to be their sole guide to their opinion of guns and the laws that govern them.

Maybe there is a giant conspiracy to disarm the people, maybe there isn't. Maybe it's just politicians looking to create solutions for non-existent problems. Maybe it's just ignorance. No matter which, our target needs to be Joe and Jane Blow on the streets. Disarmament is useless if everybody knows about it and what it truly means for the future.

 

[another okie]

Most gun control advocates do not make a connection between armed citizens and freedom, so they don't really have this idea that if we take away the guns we can pass whatever laws we want. Instead, gun control is part of their project to make a Utopia in which everyone is safe, well-fed, has lots of self-esteem, and has an indoor job with no heavy lifting. They believe this is for our own good, and so they do not really understand the fear of tyranny that many of us gun owners express.

 

[Shalako]

Gun control is just one facet of the movement to subjugate the masses. The do-gooders know better how to choreograph man's involvement on the planet. They slowly move into the environmental regulatory agencies and then control all the land. They slowly move into all the school districts and then they control all the schools. They slowly stigmatize different classifications of guns and gunowners and then, when guns are gone and the masses are left defenseless, they control all the force. It is all so that THEY can lead us poor simpering fools to Utopia. They know better for us all but they can't get us there if there is any resistance. They need us to be dependent on them so that their benevolence and creative insight can govern the new millenia.

I vote yes, it a conspiracy. They have gained pivotal roles in other aspects of control, why not go for total control.

 

[DrPsycho]

Conspiracies aside, I'd like to believe (<-- read that however you may) that anti-gunners have the same aim/intension as that to the pro-gunners who choose to carry concealed. That is, to reduce crime.

Their arguement (however flawed) is that removing guns out of the equation would eliminate crimes committed with firearms.

And the way I see it, pro-gunners whom choose to carry concealed do so to enable themselves not to be victims of these crimes by incapacitating the purpetrator by lethal force.

Either way, when it works, is good enough for me.

 

[scottgun]

It's the liberals who think they are doing something good are actually playing into the hands of the 'conspirators' that wish to have the American populace disarmed.

Interesting story related to this subject:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32438