Gun control/registration goes into effect

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From the NRA, some chilling new laws that I was surprised I hadn't heard anything about up until now. These are laws that have taken effect already.
A person living in California will not need to register their currently owned firearms. However, starting today, whenever a long gun is transferred through a dealer it will automatically be registered to the receiving individual.

For transactions that do not require a dealer, as of today, the recipient of the long gun will need to register the long gun with the California Department of Justice.

Individuals moving into California as of today will need to register their long guns (in addition to handguns) soon after moving into the state (PC 27560).
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http://nraila.org/legislation/state...ti-gun-laws-take-effect-today,-january-1.aspx

And in D.C.
For the first time in the United States, a citizen who has legally registered a gun will have to submit to a renewal process. The consequences of not knowing about this new law or missing the specific 60-day window are dire.
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http://nraila.org/news-issues/in-th...-dc,-may-lead-to-arrest-and-confiscation.aspx
 
Don't worry guys, our "gun rights are - by and large - stronger today than ever before," and we're only "losing minor battles at the state level."

Those are nearly direct quotes from a recent thread on the same topic. These don't seem like "minor battles" to me. Don't forget that registration has already lead to firearm seizures in New York. It's happening right now.
 
OK, not that I am advocating breaking the law, but how would they know if a gun was purchased in 2014 vs 2013? Couldn't you just buy a gun elsewhere?
 
Bobson said:
Don't worry guys, our "gun rights are - by and large - stronger today than ever before," and we're only "losing minor battles at the state level."

Those are nearly direct quotes from a recent thread on the same topic. These don't seem like "minor battles" to me. Don't forget that registration has already lead to firearm seizures in New York. It's happening right now.
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Also for the last 30 years I have heard most trends start in Cal. and set the tone for the rest of the country. There is plenty of proof to back that up
 
valnar said:
OK, not that I am advocating breaking the law, but how would they know if a gun was purchased in 2014 vs 2013? Couldn't you just buy a gun elsewhere?
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FTF transactions are illegal in California, for the most part. I think certain antiques were, or are, exempt, but for the most part, all transactions go through a FFL. Out of state transactions are illegal under federal law.

And the registration is nothing new for us in California, just for long guns. They've been registering handguns for quite some time now.
 
Bobson said:
Don't worry guys, our "gun rights are - by and large - stronger today than ever before," and we're only "losing minor battles at the state level."

Those are nearly direct quotes from a recent thread on the same topic. These don't seem like "minor battles" to me. Don't forget that registration has already lead to firearm seizures in New York. It's happening right now.
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I sure hope that some other states are doing a whole lot better, because in California and a few other states, we are losing rights at a staggering pace.

My concern is that even if we get a monumental victory at the Supreme Court level, it could get overturned with a new Supreme Court. Certain justices seem to have no respect for Heller and McDonald, and would be perfectly willing to reverse them given a change in the court.
 
Touché on Bobson, I read a similiar thread with almost those exact quotes. It seems that when these coastal states legislate, they really take 1 step forward and 2,000 steps back.

Heck, a NY supreme court judge determined that privacy is only secondary when it comes to "terrorists".

When those rich trendy coastal states fall, the surrounding states usually aren't too far behind.


"It can't/ won't happen here" are famous last words.
 
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Good link TanklessPro.

Was it JFK that said Those who make peaceful resistance impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. ?
 
In CA..
It is legal to own an unregistered firearm.
An unregistered firearm is a sentence enhancer (makes misdemeanors into felonies, longer prison times) when used in a crime.

CA firearm "registration"...
1924 = Dealer Record Of Sale (DROS) implemented for handguns sold by a dealer
1991 = All firearms must be transferred through a CA FFL dealer (there are some exemptions to this).
2014 = DROS of long guns now processed in the same manner as handguns.

Since 1924, during a DROS of a handgun...
The buyer's info (name, address, state DL/ID) and handgun's info (make/model/caliber/serial number) is reported to CA DOJ. Which in effect "registers" the handgun to the buyer.

Pre-2014, during a DROS of long guns...
The buyer's info (name, address, state DL/ID) and amount of long guns being transferred is reported to CA DOJ. After 30 days, CA DOJ is suppose to purge/delete the report.

Post-2014, DROS of a firearm...
The buyer's info (name, address, state DL/ID) and firearm's info (make/model/caliber/serial number) is reported to CA DOJ. Which in effect "registers" the firearm to the buyer.
 
Yep, we lost in CA, CO, CT, MD and NY. The gun rights organizations could have spent their entire five year budget in those states and the outcome would have been the same. CA, CT, MD and NY have long been run by anti-gunners.

CO is a special case. The anti-gunners took control of the CO house because of the referendum on dope. Maybe some of the gun control laws enacted in CO can be overturned. It will take time.

It takes money, big money, to fight the gun control crowd. Most NRA members never donate the price of a premium six pack of beer to the cause of gun rights.
 
It takes money, big money, to fight the gun control crowd. Most NRA members never donate the price of a premium six pack of beer to the cause of gun rights.
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The biggest problem isn't money, it's membership.

If even 40% of the gun owners in the country joined the NRA, a single issue voting block that large would scare the heck out of the politicians. They would be too scared to say "gun control".

But, as I've seen all my life, most gun owners are just too cheap to pay for NRA membership.:rolleyes:


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M2 Carbine said:
But, as I've seen all my life, most gun owners are just too cheap to pay for NRA membership.:rolleyes:
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I've actually found the opposite. The gun owners I know that aren't members of the NRA have mostly said they aren't because they don't want to end up on any list. As always I tell them we can't hide we need to stand up so it never gets to that point. Some have joined, some haven't.
 
M2 Carbine said:
The biggest problem isn't money, it's membership.

If even 40% of the gun owners in the country joined the NRA, a single issue voting block that large would scare the heck out of the politicians. They would be too scared to say "gun control".

But, as I've seen all my life, most gun owners are just too cheap to pay for NRA membership.:rolleyes:


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I have not and will not join the NRA simply because they have been in Washington too long and play the same "Let's Make a Deal" games as the Republicans do. GOA is solid and not tainted with a too long association and membership in the "good ole boys" club.
 
alsaqr said:
CO is a special case. The anti-gunners took control of the CO house because of the referendum on dope. Maybe some of the gun control laws enacted in CO can be overturned. It will take time.
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Maybe if more 2A folks were consistently pro-freedom, as in, for citizen gun ownership and against government control of socially risque substances, then they can run on an anti-drug-war platform and still fight for gun rights.
 
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Good ol' NRA - letting us know after the fact. Fortunately, I don't wait for the NRA to tell me about what they didn't do and saw both of these coming.

The DC thing doesn't surprise at all. One of the intended side benefits to a "registration" - prior to confiscation - is that at most any time it can be converted to an annual tax windfall by simply calling it a renewal.

Ultimately, the increasingly prohibitive renewal costs lead to a limited ban anyhow.
 
ApacheCoTodd said:
Good ol' NRA - letting us know after the fact. Fortunately, I don't wait for the NRA to tell me about what they didn't do and saw both of these coming.

The DC thing doesn't surprise at all. One of the intended side benefits to a "registration" - prior to confiscation - is that at most any time it can be converted to an annual tax windfall by simply calling it a renewal.

Ultimately, the increasingly prohibitive renewal costs lead to a limited ban anyhow.
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Of course the NRA lets you know after the fact and that is to scare people and get them to join. It is why the NRA is never on the offensive always on the defensive that is where the money is and that is all they are interested in
 
Lobbying power? No, GOA is probably second, but not were the NRA is at.

As far as the lawsuits are concerned, many states have state organizations that are doing some amazing work. The NRA does good stuff too, but they are not unequaled in that regard.
 
There are MANY organizations that are worthy of support. Aside from the state/local level grassroots organizations, the NRA, GOA, NAGR, SAF, JFPO and other national organizations are standing up for us every day, and whether or not they're 100% perfect we'd be in a much worse spot without them. Still don't like any of them? Start your own. Either way, each one of us needs to defend our Rights or we'll lose them.
 
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