I have a question about the AR registration law passed in both CT and NY in 2013

[jrmiddleton425]

I freely admit I may have added an extra zero. I have seen a copy of the actual tally sheet the NY State Police released to NYS Rifle & Pistol Association, but I can't find it now.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...s-registry-numbers-released-article-1.2267730

NY Daily news has a county-by county graphic in the article linked.

 

[ARKLITE881South]

True But they only have to do some confiscation. Raid some people, make big examples out of them, and scare most others to comply. Repeat raids, but make the punishment more severe and well known, repeat until most of the goal is achieved.

It's a technique that has been used for centuries.

It's one of the reasons the left doesn't want us to learn history, and why history is taught at such a cursory level now that students have no idea that things like this have happened in many civilizations.

Probably accomplished by leftist communist governments, we are getting closer and closer.

 

[forward observer]

I freely admit I may have added an extra zero. I have seen a copy of the actual tally sheet the NY State Police released to NYS Rifle & Pistol Association, but I can't find it now.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...s-registry-numbers-released-article-1.2267730

NY Daily news has a county-by county graphic in the article linked.

No problem--it's an easy thing to do. I just thought I might have missed something. Surfing the net for accurate numbers on anything like this is next to impossible to corroborate and then keeping track of it is even harder.

Cheers

 

[Hokie_PhD]

I freely admit I may have added an extra zero. I have seen a copy of the actual tally sheet the NY State Police released to NYS Rifle & Pistol Association, but I can't find it now.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...s-registry-numbers-released-article-1.2267730

NY Daily news has a county-by county graphic in the article linked.

If the numbers in the article are even somewhat accurate, it shows that 50,000 out of about 1 million weapons were registered. One one side it's good in that the vast majority are not complying. On the other hand it shows what happens when we don't exercise our rights and throw out tyrants who pass such laws.

Maybe I'm missing something but our country is a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC. It's not a majority rule, and it's not a "democracy". Laws are made to benefit all of us, not just the majority. And sometimes we have to make changes to ensure that this stays as the far left thinks they can use "democracy" and "majority rule" to benefit them when it's for their agenda, and then flip flop when it's not.

So as I've said in other threads, it's time we stop being quiet. We need to fight and fight hard. We have to become vocal and do everything to remove people who don't respect the Constitution and our basic rights.

 

[AlexanderA]

So as I've said in other threads, it's time we stop being quiet. We need to fight and fight hard. We have to become vocal and do everything to remove people who don't respect the Constitution and our basic rights.

Ultimately, we'll have to increase the number of gun owners, and, more importantly, the number of activist gun owners. We know that most gun owners in this country are not members of the NRA, and their gun "ownership" consists of maybe a shotgun and a .22 in a corner of the closet. Such people are not helpful to us; at best, they are neutral on the gun issue. When somebody has a handgun (or even better, an "evil black rifle"), we can be pretty sure he's going to be on our side.

No matter how loud and shrill a minority is, it's still a minority. Because of demographic changes (growing cities, depopulating rural areas), gun owners are a shrinking minority. Hunting is on a decline. To make up for the loss of hunters, city people have to become more interested in self defense. The gun community has to reach out to the law-abiding segment of inner-city racial/ethnic groups. (After all, they are the main victims of the thugs.) If the gun community is identified with the Far Right (as is the case increasingly under the leadership of Wayne LaPierre and others), that works at cross purposes with this outreach strategy to city people. If the gun community becomes exclusively rural and conservative, it's doomed. Even in so-called "red states," the cities are increasingly holding the balance of power.

We need to see younger, black, Hispanic, and/or female leadership in the NRA. And not identified with the Far Right or shills for the Republican Party.

Maybe I'm missing something but our country is a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC. It's not a majority rule, and it's not a "democracy". Laws are made to benefit all of us, not just the majority. And sometimes we have to make changes to ensure that this stays as the far left thinks they can use "democracy" and "majority rule" to benefit them when it's for their agenda, and then flip flop when it's not.

The arc of American history has always been towards more democracy. That's not going to be reversed. Counting on a "republic" to suppress the will of the majority is a forlorn hope. Our republican institutions (and all that "republic" really means is that it's not a monarchy) are simply a means to implement our democratic ideals.

 

[huntsman]

When you identify friends or foes by the types of guns owned you’re as bad as the left with identity politics.

Bottomline the 2nd says what it says or it don’t.

Bottomline two we have the government we deserve, the representative Republic requires participation by its citizens and not just on the RKBA issue

 

[larryh1108]

We need to see younger, black, Hispanic, and/or female leadership in the NRA. And not identified with the Far Right or shills for the Republican Party.

Truer words have never been spoken (or written).

 

[CoalTrain49]

My neighbor just purchased two AR-15's. He didn't own any rifles before. He isn't a hunter, they are just range toys for him. He's 69 years old. I mentored him into the shooting sports and he now owns more firearms than I do, which is a lot. The reason he bought AR's is that's what everyone is buying if they want a range toy.

My state (WA) hasn't passed an AR bill yet but they will soon enough. The last bill that was just narrowly defeated prohibited sales in the state. There was no registration scheme. They probably thought it had a better chance of passing but it still failed.

Registration is a dirty word and legislators know that. The AG crowd would have a better chance passing a bill to restrict sales, which is what more states will attempt to appease the AR-15 lynch mobs. They would also have a better chance passing a bill to require an extensive back ground check by the state to purchase an AR without registration. That leaves the existing AR owners free to do everything with their rifles except sell them in their state. That would eventually drive the price of AR's up as more states restricted sales and fewer are sold.

Registration is something from a European fascist nightmare. To me it smacks of the movement to register Jews or Muslims or any other religious sect as undesirables. I don't believe in that kind of crap and I would never vote for it. That's a gov't trying to it's damnedest to control the things or people they feel are undesirable. A registered gun can easily become a controlled (illegal to own without a permit) firearm over night just like machine guns were.

I don't think I would be real happy if they told me I had to be registered because I immigrated from Ireland. If I came here legally then I have the same rights as everyone else without the state poking their nose into my business. Same deal. I don't care if they feel I'm undesirable or not, It isn't their country.

 

[danez71]

I don't think I would be real happy if they told me I had to be registered because I immigrated from Ireland. If I came here legally then I have the same rights as everyone else without the state poking their nose into my business.

If you have a Social Security #..... you are in fact registered.

.... now that I typed that out loud....

 

[CoalTrain49]

If you have a Social Security #..... you are in fact registered.

.... now that I typed that out loud....

Registered for the purpose of paying taxes. I'm talking about registering my race, religion or ethnic back ground. Just about everyone has a SS#. I don't think you are required to provide that info when you apply for a SS#. Just citizenship or immigrant status.

 

[WestKentucky]

In a perfect world, registration wouldn't be bad. It would just identify the individuals as gun owners, even if there were grades to distinguish the types of guns...no big deal. Kinda like it is now with how a person registers to vote...Not a big deal at all. But in this crazy bassackwards world that we are in registration will eventually lead to SOMETHING. I doubt that we have outright confiscation in the next 50 years which is what i expect to be around for. I do expect there to be storage regulations or some other legislation passed in which we must periodically present arms for inspection and validation of some sort...as in that we still possess them (didnt sell to a felon) and that they haven't been altered to illegal status. It would not suprise me at all for there to be storage inspections following certain events, especially if there are teenagers in the home.

 

[Ignition Override]

And most people probably never consider selling, or buying a gun (at a reasonable price) which they like via Armslist, in states where it is legal.
I've sold at least 10 in private transactions, and bought about 6-7.

Maybe people in certain west and east coast states will soon want to reconsider. Or they can assume that no more psycho/schizophrenics, sociopaths or terrorists are in the US, who might want to be a copycat killer. It very easily could result in either a future, flimsy ban on gun's with too many military features, or even purchases of neutered ARs, AKs, Mini 14s/30s, or M-1 Carbines etc. It might depend upon the state of residence.

Go ahead, continue to buy only from FFL businesses. Good luck with your name kept for a while in a database.

 

[danez71]

Registered for the purpose of paying taxes. I'm talking about registering my race, religion or ethnic back ground. Just about everyone has a SS#. I don't think you are required to provide that info when you apply for a SS#. Just citizenship or immigrant status.

Race and ethnicity are on the SS application but they are voluntary.

But you need, in most cases whether immigrant or born here, a birh certificate.

A lot, but not all, birth certificates include race.... such as TX.

https://tx-dps.com/products/texas-birth-certificates/texas-birth-certificate-faqs/

Q: What information is included on a Texas birth certificate?
A: There are several pieces of information on a Texas birth certificate including:

• Name (First, Middle, Last)
  
• Gender
• Race
• Date and Time of Birth
• Location of Birth
• Birth Hospital
• Mother’s Full Name, Including Maiden Name
• Mother’s Race, Age, Occupation, Birth Place, Residence, Marital Status
• Number of Children from Mother, Living and Deceased
• Fathers Full Name
• Father’s Race, Age, Occupation, Birth Place

 

[CapnMac]

Some were convinced that it was just a prelude to taking their guns, and so they refused to register.

One of those popped up on Forgotten Weapons. It was a defaced, and stolen (from the Army) rifle, which was "made all good" by way of the Amnesty.

 

[CapnMac]

Ultimately, we'll have to increase the number of gun owners, and, more importantly, the number of activist gun owners

Which, as you point out is complicated.

3000 counties in the US, and 32 of them have 50% of the population.

There is a very real rural-urban divide in this nation, and it is not getting "better."

Which makes it complicated to reach urban people in the generally rural areas.

Consider Arizona. Generally pro 2A; except Phoenix and Tuscon; the latter so blue it's nearly ultraviolet. (New Mexico is hugely similar.) Perhaps "we" need to focus on those metro areas that are already closest to our ideas. Other than that those people will be the hardest to "sell." DFW is another case in point. Dallas is largely an "anti" sort of town, but Fort Worth is not; the surrounding sub-urban areas tuen a blind eye, considering it "city problems." Which is foolish. Even if you own 25 acres, if it's in Tarrant or Dallas Counties, you can't shoot on your own land (by state law). This is ignored by large swathes of people with land holdings of rural size (which probably does not help "our" side much).