Gun Control ???

[ryanu]

sorry if i posted this in the wrong place, i am new here

but i was wondeing if you guys can post any info here backing my opinion on no guncontrol at all, i am in highschool and some kid is doing his speech on how hes for guntrol and i am doing mine on how i am for little or no guncontrol at all
so can you guys help me by posting what the advantages are to having little guntrol than gun control?

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

Google the Heller V. Washington D.C. court case. Read the friend of the court briefs for the Heller side.....heck read the whole thing. You probably see the same tired B.S. that you debate partner will be using.....

 

[Skillet]

criminals do not follow the law. they buy guns off the streets, or steal them. background checks and warrant checks at gun stores prevent criminals from buying guns already. So they will not follow gun control laws anyways, because they are criminals. Gun control laws one prevent law abiding citizens from buying guns to plink around with or protect their family.

one other issue that they might bring up is semi-auto bans. tell them that banning semi-auto guns will just prevent these law abiding citizens from purchasing these guns, putting them at a disadvantage if a bad guy tries to do something like a home invasion at gun point. ever heard of the saying don't bring a knife to a gunfight? same sort of issue. say you have a bolt action rifle. standard hunting rifle, after every shot you have to cycle the bolt manually. these are not very ideal guns to have for protection from the bad guys. why? because the criminal does not follow the laws right? he is not going to be like "oh they banned semi autos i should not get one of those" he is going to just keep on buying the same weapons and outgun you. if he has a more advanced weapon than you do, he has a better chance at winning the fight. then he goes on to his next target which could be anything from a petty amount of cash to raping your mother or sister.

banning guns altogether is also counterproductive. Criminals do not follow the laws. if they ban all guns, and make everybody turn them in, do you honestly think that a criminal is going to walk into a police station and drop off his gun and walk out a free man? no! he is going to keep his gun, and keep on stealing more and his confidence is going to build and he is going to rob more and more defensless houses and kill and rape and steal and all that jazz.

think about it.
Say your a criminal. you plan to rob one of two houses. the house on your right has a car parked out front with anti gun stickers on it like "Guns Kill people and should be banned" or something in that nature. the other house on your left has a sign out front that says "NRA" (National Rifle Association) on it. now, good chances are that the house on your right, the anti gun house is defenseless with no gun owning occupants living inside. and good chances are that the house on your left has a gun owning resident inside. if you were to rob these houses at gun point, which would you rather choose, the house with a gun or the house without? the answer is pretty obvious. Criminals are always going to pick on the weakest of people. and they will choose the house on the right, i can garuntee it.

that is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[PCGS65]

If you haven't already read the 2nd amendment. "shall not be infringed" means(and this is a no brainer)no laws restricting/regulating firearms. The constitution IS the supreme law of the land even though many courts,politicians/lawmakers,federal,state and local governments have unconstitutionally infringed on our right, not privilege to keep and bear arms.

Not "shall be reasonably infringed" or "shall be safely infringed" ect.
I'm sure you can come up with more on your own.

 

[mljdeckard]

http://www.gunfacts.info/

You might get beat up a little the first time. Don't worry about it.

 

[Extremely Pro Gun]

I wrote this for something once... It may be of use....

I too gave that speech last year in a college classroom!!

The AWB did nothing is a good place to start.

Gun
Control
Letter
:



This
letter
is
in
reference
to
any
legislation
currently
being
introduced
in
the
House
or

Senate
that
would
further
infringe
on
every
American's
constitutionally
protected
right

to
keep
and
bear
arms.
I
recommend
that
you
oppose
any
and
all
measures
aimed
at

chiseling
away
our
freedoms
in
the
name
of
"gun
control"
which
in
the
minds
of
most

Americans
is
merely
a
“feel
good”
ideology.



I’m
a
law‐abiding
citizen
who
is
sick
and
tired
of
having
his
rights
chiseled
away
by

deceitful
politicians
that
ignore
undemanding
facts.
“Intelligent”
people
that
take
the

time
to
study
the
issue
of
"gun
control"
recognize
that
when
you
revoke
the
right
to

self‐defense
from
lawful
citizens,
crime
rates
considerably
increase.
This
is
because
by

definition,
criminals
DO
NOT
OBEY
THE
LAW,
if
they
did,
they
would
not
be
criminals

(this
is
very
simple).




Using
the
actions
of
madmen
and
criminals
as
justification
to
deprive
law
abiding

American
citizens
of
their
Second
Amendment
rights
is
morally
repugnant.
To
attempt

to
achieve
political
gains
through
capitalizing
on
“ignorant
people”
who
do
not
study
the

facts
concerning
gun
control
is
sickening.
Rather
than
passing
new
laws
that
infringe
on

the
rights
of
honest,
responsible,
and
law‐abiding
Americans;
I
encourage
you
to

concentrate
your
resources
on
enforcing
current
laws
and
further
increasing
the

penalties
for
those
who
illegally
posses
firearms
or
use
them
to
commit
a
crime.



I
do
not
believe
that
restrictive
"gun
control"
measures
have
ever
saved
a
life.
I

unreservedly
believe
that
“gun
control”
actually
costs
lives,
as
it
denies
citizens
the

means
necessary
to
defend
themselves
when
and
where
they
want
to.
I
believe
“gun

control”
is
a
mutilation
of
an
unalienable
American
right,
the
right
to
life.
Innocent
lives

will
unquestionably
be
taken
when
they
are
deprived
of
self‐defense
means.




I
want
to
be
perfectly
clear,
political
candidates
and
elected
officials
who
support
ANY

variation
of
restrictive
gun
control
will
not
receive
my
vote
nor
do
they
deserve
any

votes.
Please
do
your
part
to
cast
the
defective
philosophy
of
"gun
control"
aside
and

allow
a
victory
for
reality
over
broken
theory;
as
“gun
control”
is
not
about
guns,
it
is

about
control.




In
conclusion
I
ask
you
a
simple
question.
Without
the
right
to
bear
arms,
are
any
of
our

constitutional
rights
protected?
The
answer
is
NO,
without
the
right
to
bear
arms
this

democracy
will
become
a
fraud;
and
our
constitution,
an
inconceivable
lie.


 






 

[22-rimfire]

The US Senate did a report on gun control about 10 years ago during the Bush administration. It is very good and has a fair amount of historical info in it. I don't have a link, but at one time I downloaded it onto an older computer which is dead now.

 

[Gungnir]

You could also draw attention to this contemporary fact from the NRA-ILA...

Last week, the FBI issued its preliminary 2009 crime report, showing that the number of murders in the first half of 2009 decreased 10 percent compared to the first half of 2008. If the trend holds for the remainder of 2009, it will be the single greatest one-year decrease in the number of murders since at least 1960, the earliest year for which national data are available through the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Also, the per capita murder rate for 2009 will be 51 percent lower than the all-time high recorded in 1991, and it will be the lowest rate since 1963 - a 46-year low. Final figures for 2009 will be released by the FBI next year.



According to gun control supporter dogma - "more guns means more crime" - the number of privately owned firearms must have decreased 10 percent in 2009. To the contrary, however, the number rose between 1.5 and 2 percent, to an all-time high. For the better part of the last 15 months, firearms, ammunition, and "large" ammunition magazines have been sold in what appear to be record quantities. And, the firearms that were most commonly purchased in 2009 are those that gun control supporters most want to be banned - AR-15s, similar semi-automatic rifles, and handguns designed for defense. The National Shooting Sports Foundation already estimates record ammunition sales in 2009, dominated by .223 Remington, 7.62x39mm, 9mm and other calibers widely favored for defensive purposes.



Also indicative of the upward trend in firearm sales, the number of national instant check transactions rose 24.5 percent in the first six months of 2009 compared to the first six months in 2008, the greatest increase since NICS' inception in 1998. Through the end of October, NICS transactions rose18 percent, compared to the same period in 2008.


More Guns Means More Crime? Hardly. In 2009, more guns meant less crime, in a very, very big way.

 

[THE DARK KNIGHT]

good chances are that the house on your left, the anti gun house is defenseless with no gun owning occupants living inside. and good chances are that the house on your right has a gun owning resident inside.

Fixed. If you use that in debate as I have changed it, no one will notice probably. But's it's a subtle, subconscious little thing

 

[cyclopsshooter]

just remember that THR is NOT a primary source and don't plagiarize the info that members give you-

 

[THE DARK KNIGHT]

Yes, teachers are definitely getting smarter. I know a couple from my old High School that take a piece of a random sentence from a paper and put it in a google search bar. Which is why EPG left out all the spaces. His omittance of spaces fools google yes, but still, don't chance it.

 

[IdahoLT1]

Since others have posted some good places to search, the first thing i would do is talk to the teacher about your topic. Maybe have your parents with you and the principal there to make sure they are aware of your topic/stance and are ok with it.

It sucks that we have to watch out for what we say or what beliefs we talk about but its the way this country has become. There have been a few college students investigated/hassled because of pro RKBA essays, speeches and school projects. Its been in the media.

 

[Arcticfox]

Let me see if I can add a few points:

1) Remember that true assualt weapons are fully automatic. When they talk about banning assuault weapons, they REALLY mean semiautomatic versions of machine guns, like AK-47 knock offs, M16 clones (AR-15) and such. There are ALREADY laws against owning automatic weapons. When Obama said, "an AK-47 doesn't belong on the street," did he mean a full auto, or a sporting (semi-auto) rifle? So "assault weapon ban" is not a correct term as it relates to the public, as they are ALREADY banned (without the proper permit.) The media, or the mis-informed, see an AK-47 in a crime, and figure it must be full auto, when it probably isn't.
point- if this is about banning assault rifles, they are already banned!

2) Taking guns away wont stop crime. The first murder happend with the first people (biblically speaking) when Cane killed Able. He used a rock, not an assault rifle! I truely believe that some liberals (Rosie Odonell) believe that if all guns vanished today, the sun would come out, the children would play, and all the people of the world would hold hands and love each other for evermore in peace. Guns have been around for about 500 years. People have been murdering each other since the begining of time; a lack of a gun did not stop Alexander from conquering Asia (how many tens of thousands of people do you suppose he killed on his march?) , or Cesar from invading Europe.
Point- if this is about people commiting murder only because a gun was available, check your history about ancient Rome. Lots of murder / robberys, no guns!

3) Check the writing of our founding fathers, and see what the had to say about the right to bear arms. http://www.vtgunsmiths.com/arms/ffquote.html
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and
better for the assassins..." Thomas Jefferson
Point- Do you really believe that current legislators are wiser than our founding fathers??????

4) If anti-gun activists pass one ban, it opens the door for further bans. A ban of private weapons all together opens the door for future tyranny. I am not saying Obama is cable of tyranny; but his successors could be. Dont think it could happen in the U.S.? I wonder if the Chinese thought it could happen to them (MAO Zedung) how about the jews (Hitler), or the Cubans ( Castro) or the Russians (Stalin and Lenin) or the Shia's, Sunnis, and Kurds (Sadam Hussein) or the Cambodians (Pol Pot) or the Ugandans (Edi Amin). The list goes on. http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rkba-12.html
Point- In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

5) May anti's believe guns are scary, and evil, and we have no business possessig them. Check your statistics. If we ban things that kill, then cars are first!
Anti- "well thats silly! We don't need guns, but we need cars!"
Pro- "No we don't. Take a bus! Walk! Ride your bike! Cars are convenient, not necessary!"


6) Americans use firearms to defend themselves from criminals at least 764,000 times a year. http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp.
Point- You will hear about it on the news if a Murder, or robbery takes place. You won't hear about it on the news of an individual thwarts a robbery by brandishing a weapon. Happens every day. A gun is a deterrent.

Sorry for the rant. I hope some of this is helpful. Good luck on your report!

 

[IdahoLT1]

Keep us updated on your report as well. Let us know, if you do go through with it, how it goes, how you were critiqued and what the general class consensus was. Im very interested and will subscribe to this thread.

 

[archigos]

JPFO has a couple very educational videos that you might want to watch to get some ideas as well.

No Guns for Negroes exposes the racist roots and intentions of gun control.
2A Today for the USA gives some useful information about the background of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

 

[Wirenut1212]

I did this same thing about 20 years ago < man that makes me feel old what I found really swung the class around to my side hope this helps.

The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20 in the Rekrutenschule (German for "recruit school"), the initial boot camp, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel or the SIG 510 rifle and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home with a specified personal retention quantity of government-issued personal ammunition (50 rounds 5.56 mm / 48 rounds 9mm), which is sealed and inspected regularly to ensure that no unauthorized use takes place.[3] The ammunition are intended for use while traveling to the army barracks in case of invasion.

Police statistics for the year 2006[14] records 34 killings or attempted killings involving firearms, compared to 69 cases involving bladed weapons and 16 cases of unarmed assault. Cases of assault resulting in bodily harm numbered 89 (firearms) and 526 (bladed weapons). This represents a decline of aggravated assaults involving firearms since the early 1990s. Some 300 deaths per year are due to legally held army ordinance weapons, the large majority of these being suicides. The majority of gun crimes involving domestic violence are perpetrated with army ordnance weapons, while the majority of gun crime outside the domestic sphere involves illegally held firearms.[15]

Apparently if bad guys know almost everyhouse might have a True assault weapon, or at the very least a pistol, they ain't quite as brave!!! Huh now who would have thunk it!!!

Hope this helps all I did was google switzerland gun laws if you need references they are there on the bottom.

 

[Art Eatman]

A couple of other points: The Preamble to the Bill of Rights states that the purpose of the first ten amendments is to prevent the abuse of power by the state. Built into that statement is that the citzenry have the right to use the force of arms if necessary to prevent such abuse.

As far as the number of guns owned by citizens, note that firearms sales averaged some five million per year since 1993, per records available online from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE). In 2008, this rose to approximately eight million, and in 2009 to approximately ten million. The FBI recently released data indicating a notable reduction in the criminal misuse of firearms in 2009, compared to past years. 88 million more firearms just in your lifetime, yet a reduction in misuse...

 

[DMF]

" . . . (MAO Zedung) . . .

Um, how about Mao Tse Tung. He won't be able to do the research if he has the wrong spelling.

 

[Harvey]

Here are a couple sources, raynu, explaining the Second Amendment.

There first is in text and draws a swell case for even a liberal to love the 2A. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/6/11474/7753

And the next is a video offering real insight as the the archaic language of the original 2A. http://www.jpfo.org/media-vid/2a-full.wmv

These are two of the best pieces of commentary that I've come across on the subject. Enjoy.

::EDIT:: the video is the same as archigos posted above. It is excellent.

 

[Arcticfox]

Quote:
" . . . (MAO Zedung) . . .

Um, how about Mao Tse Tung. He won't be able to do the research if he has the wrong spelling.
__________________

Google it. Its spelled both ways.

 

[Utah1]

I'd also reference how counties that instituted strict gun control then went onto abuse their citizens without having to worry about them complaining too much. Nazi Germay, Communist China and the USSR.

Look at whats happened with recent gun control measures in Austrailia. Violent crime has skyrocketed- after the ban.

 

[doom]

Reference gun-control from Nazi-Germany, USSR and China. The second amendment is the teeth of our Bill of Rights, freedom of speech means nothing if you don't have the force to back it up with.

 

[TooTaxed]

There have been several formal studies of criminals incarcerated for crimes using guns...one, in the early 1980, was done by two of the most anti-gun, pro gun-ban professors of their day, Rossi and Wright, financed by the Department of Justice, involving in depth interviews of over 1,800 convicts in ten federal penetentiaries spread across the United States. The intent was to research how the criminals obtained their guns, how they selected their victims, what guns they preferred, and what restrictive legislation should be enacted to reduce crime. I suggest you do a Google search and check the study for yourself, so you can quote specific sources for your report. The NRA-ILA website also has a library of articles on all gun-related issues.

The study resulted in strong pro-gun results, and when Wright and Rossi were asked what gun-restrictive legislation should be enacted, they responded that any such legislation would be likely to increase crime, not deduce it.

I participated in a much smaller, but otherwise similar, study in California in 2003. The result was the same, and the Mayor who arranged the study essentially buried it, as it did not support his pre-conceived notions and therefore had to be seriously flawed. I'd be pleased to send you a copy of my report, but I don't know how to get it to you.

 

[groucho 48]

Google "More Guns, Less Crime" or John Lott. John Lott is a professor at the
University Of Maryland. More Guns Less Crime is a book of his research into gun control. A good read.

 

[sheepdog]

...our society finds it more comfortable to blame objects instead of holding individuals accountable for their behaviour...when a high percentage of citizens handle firearms responsibly, our "gooberment" adds more laws and restrictions on those who will obey them...rather than decisively punishing those who disobey the laws and restrictions already in place...