Gun crime rising in UK, esp. home invasions

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Did you see what that guy said?! Britain has porous borders! :p

Illegals are always swimming across the English Channel, I guess. I wonder how he would describe America's border with Mexico.
 
They either ride the freight train under the English Channel, hide in the backs of trucks, or just hop on the boat and destroy their travel documents (usually forged anyway) mid-voyage, knowing that without them no country will accept them back when they present themselves at Immigration.
 
This was a trend upon which NPR commented at least TEN years ago!

They did a week long series on racially motivated violence in the UK and Europe. They specifically noted that racist skinhead groups in the UK were breaking down the doors of Blacks and Asians living in council estates WITH AXES, and in some instances killing the inhabitants. This of course seemed to astonish the commentator. Apparently to NPR, the best way to deter attacks by violent predators is to provide them with an unlimited supply of helpless, unarmed victims. Kind of like using blood and fish guts as shark repellent...
 
porous borders

Our border is more like a reverse osmosis membrane.

Particles leak in, but not out.

The guys who built the Berlin wall would just die of envy.
 
"Gun crime is mainly fuelled by gang warfare and drug addiction, which is a consequence of Labour's failing drugs policy. It is exacerbated by our porous borders, which allow illegal weapons to flow into the country."
So let us see here, the gun crime will exist if gang warfare and drug addiction exist according to this. It will be increased by 'porous' borders on this island nation.
In a nation already filled with cameras everywhere, almost all weapons banned, not just guns, and an intelligence/spy network envied throughout the world by governments the solution is everything but allowing people to be capable of fighting back. No the problem must be not enough police, not enough big brother, not enough checkpoints, not enough big brother in the nations these evil items are smuggled from and only the complete irradication of gangs and drug addiction will solve it. Well we know drugs are never irradicated, so I guess this article basicly says the problem is permanent and people must just accept that and give up more freedom and liberties in an attempt to 'reduce' but never fix the problem, and accept being randomly victimized on occasion with no recourse. I think thier logic is what is porous, not thier borders.
 
It is, again, a matter of simple fact that we kill each other with appalling frequency compared to any other developed nation. And no, I don't count South Africa as a developed nation anymore. It's moving backwards. Maybe fewer guns would mean less crime. Maybe it would mean more. I don't know, and nobody else here does, either. But it's absolutely clear that our social system is damaged to the point of dysfunction when it comes to murder. We do it a lot. We have harsher punishments than other developed countries. It doesn't seem to help.

Who's "we," Kemosabe?

What percentage of the killing is gang- and ghetto-related? The vast majority.

We have a values problem in this country, not a gun problem, not a poverty problem.
 
Sure, the US has more homicides via firearms than other countries, and the rate is higher. But that's misleading. The actual homicide rate in terms of deaths per 100,000 people is not notably greater than many European countries. Over there, they're more into knives, clubs, fists and feet. And bombs...

I don't have the specific numbers at hand, but they're easily found and compared.

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Our overall homicide rate is higher. However, we have a lot of factors many of the comparison countries don't have.
 
HOME INVASIONS

Home invasions are on the upswing here in the Northwest Florida Panhandle, particularly in the Panama City area. We had one a few days ago where the abused girlfriend of the BG ran to the victim's house for protection. The BG broke in later with a knife. Girlfriend wasn't there. Homeowner took a few pokes to the chest with the knife and then discharged a round into the BG's leg. BG left the scene and stumbled into a local bar where he was taken into custody and became a ward of the State.

All I needed was "knife" and "home invasion." Use of deadly force authorized.
 
Gun rights are quite simple. Guns allow equality with strong or weak criminals, strong or weak law abiding citizens, no gun equals advantage to better conditioned, trained and motivated person. We are humans, tools are what allow us to be humans, to assume we will not use a tool in self defense and offense, aka as a weapon is just BS. If we did not use weapons we would never have been able to compete with other animals and died off long ago. So people attempting to ignore that natural human tendency are imagining something that does not exist. Weapons will always exist. The way to make everyone equal is to protect the right of everyone to have a weapon that evens the score.
I am quite proficient with other weapons, if guns could be successfuly eliminated I would stand to benefit, yet what about women, what about elderly, what about when I am less capable or at a numerical disadvantage? The technology behind and existence of guns will not just vanish because someone wishes it to.
It is not about statistics it is about human equality, liberty, freedom, and rights, period.
 
Sure, the US has more homicides via firearms than other countries, and the rate is higher. But that's misleading. The actual homicide rate in terms of deaths per 100,000 people is not notably greater than many European countries. Over there, they're more into knives, clubs, fists and feet. And bombs...

I don't have the specific numbers at hand, but they're easily found and compared.


From what I found, it looks like our murder rate is 2-4 times higher than in the western European countries. Some of the eastern Euro countries have even higher rates than us though. Guns actually have a pretty strong correlation to murder rate as well.

United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people


France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people
United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people
Italy: 0.0128393 per 1,000 people
Spain: 0.0122456 per 1,000 people
Germany: 0.0116461 per 1,000 people
Denmark: 0.0106775 per 1,000 people
Norway: 0.0106684 per 1,000 people
Ireland: 0.00946215 per 1,000 people
Switzerland: 0.00921351 per 1,000 people



http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
 
there are Americans over there too, getting the dole!

taking advantage of a liberal system gone awry, it's kind of tempting sometimes....I can listen to a girl speaking "English" all day.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006480089,00.html



BRITAIN is such a soft touch that even AMERICANS are coming here to claim asylum and sponge off the state.

The incredible revelation comes from immigration whistleblower Rory Clarke.

And yesterday the Government was forced to admit figures that backed him up.

Disgusted Rory, 34, contacted The Sun to expose the true depth of the asylum shambles. He said:

Britain is seen as such a soft touch that poor people from countries such as America are even coming here now.

A couple of years ago I met two black guys from the States who were over here because they thought they could get a better standard of living.


The whistleblower ... exposed immigration farce
The whistleblower ... exposed immigration farce

One was from Ohio and the other from Kansas. They claimed asylum because they said they were racially discriminated against at home.

But they freely admitted they were here for the free healthcare and accommodation. It is an absolute joke.

They could have been here for up to five years before their application was processed.

Last night the Home Office admitted five American nationals have claimed asylum this year alone.

Rory also revealed a shocking catalogue of blunders by officials, and lying by applicants that is making our asylum system the gravy train of the world.

He spent five years heading a team evicting failed asylum seekers from their homes after applications were turned down.

But the dad of one quit the Government’s National Asylum Support Service (NASS) in disgust at what he encountered.

When he started the job he calculates 50 per cent of asylum seekers were genuine. But now he reckons that figure is FIVE per cent.

Those waiting for applications to be processed get immediate free healthcare, free accommodation and £35 a week in benefits.

Rory maintains the deluge is dominated by freeloaders.

These include fit young men from Middle Eastern countries who are here because they want to dodge compulsory military service back home, he added.

Rory — who does not want his face to be recognisable in our picture — said: “Working for NASS was like banging your head against a wall. For example, I helped evict 30,000 illegals from their homes. But they weren’t taken to detention centres.

“Instead of them being kicked out of the country, we were told to let them go
 
I could only hope our 'homeless' all went to Britian and left only people who wanted to work.

I do have to say, the illegals from Mexico want to work far more than the white bums I saw in Austin this week. Several young white men (25-26 or so years old) with signs saying 'they were homeless and trying to feed their famlies' while walking near the traffic stop lights. None were unfit. I also saw pleny of 'help wanted' signs in the convienace stores near by. Funny thing was they had it down to a real good routine. Light goes red. They get up and walk down the median, turn around and walk back. Just as they get back the light turns green and they sit down. Tough work.

They were to 'proud' to work for mininum wage, but not to proud to beg. Sure hope they get a good ride to England.
 
gunsmith said:
is this the duplicate or is mine?

I beat you by eight hours, you New Yorker-Calif. Security CCW (pff)-Nevadan.

ps--are you still shooting at that old quarry past the resovoirs? Because it seems the police started shutting it down right after you recommended it.
 
First things first, there is nothing wrong with curry! :D

Secondly, yeah it's so stupid how they simply cannot explain the rise in home invasions, having been mostly disarmed. :rolleyes:


DURRRRRRR :banghead:

Yep, our head honchos here really need a slice or two of shoe pie.
 
From what I found, it looks like our murder rate is 2-4 times higher than in the western European countries. Some of the eastern Euro countries have even higher rates than us though. Guns actually have a pretty strong correlation to murder rate as well.

United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people


France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people
United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people
Italy: 0.0128393 per 1,000 people
Spain: 0.0122456 per 1,000 people
Germany: 0.0116461 per 1,000 people
Denmark: 0.0106775 per 1,000 people
Norway: 0.0106684 per 1,000 people
Ireland: 0.00946215 per 1,000 people
Switzerland: 0.00921351 per 1,000 people

Switzerland has more gun owners per 100,000 than the USA, yet, as you can see from those figures, a far far lower murder rate. Finland:

#30 Finland: 0.0283362 per 1,000 people

Has just as many guns per head of population as the USA, but a much lower murder rate.

The countries with the highest murder rates, all have stricter controls on firearms than the USA:

#1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
#2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
#3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
#4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
#5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
#6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people

With the exception of SA (I think) those are some of the toughest gun laws in the world.

In the USA, Vermont with no gun laws has one of the lowest murder rates in the Union, whilst Washington DC with its complete ban on firearms has the highest.

There is, in fact, NO correlation between gun laws and murder rates.
 
I wouldn't believe anything I read in the Sun. The National Enquirer looks serious beside it
 
Well the cats out of the bag now, so you guys may as well know too.
The real reason we have such apalling crime stats is quite simple - we have no places left in the prison system. They're full.
They're full because for many life inside is more attractive than life outside. They have TV, rec rooms, 3 meals a day, drugs more available than on the street. About the only downside is the lack of heterosexual interaction, and apparently there are ways round that :eek:
And we let people out early. The other week a man who had just served 12 years for a rape in 91 was sentenced for raping a 15 year old girl just 6 weeks after his supervision order ended. He got life. The judge reccomended he serve at least 7 years. For a second offence.
In Blairs Britain, if you want to do something you might as well go for it, it seems. You'll be alright. Your criminal record might dent your employment prospects, but hey! work is for mugs!

Sorry to rant but it really gets me down. The government seems to have given up on all sorts of things in favour of subjecting the law abiding to id cards, cctv, and now they want to add microphones to the street cameras.
 
One think to keep in mind, the USA does have a high problem of drunken driving. Vehicular Homocide is normally included in "murder."
 
Switzerland has more gun owners per 100,000 than the USA, yet, as you can see from those figures, a far far lower murder rate. Finland:

#30 Finland: 0.0283362 per 1,000 people

Has just as many guns per head of population as the USA, but a much lower murder rate.

Switzerland has extremely strict gun laws. Ammunition as well as guns are registered. Their arms are required to be kept locked up at all times, and they are issued a sealed block of ammunition which is checked regularly. There was another thread about it here.

Also... did you know the Swiss have the 2nd highest handgun ownership rate, and correspondingly the 2nd highest handgun murder rate in the world?

Finland also has a murder rate double that of the other euro countries we listed.

There was a pretty authoritative study linked here showing a correlation between gun ownership and murder rates. I'll look it up later.
 
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