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Gun deaths in Canada hit low

Discussion in 'Legal' started by starfuryzeta, Oct 2, 2003.

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  1. starfuryzeta

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    http://www.canada.com/national/story.asp?id=70D7DA64-0A5E-4830-B80D-52A494C188AA


    Okay, what kind of messed up logic says that even though there are more homicides, its okay, because less were done with guns?
     
  2. Brian Dale

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    Logical Fallacy

    Help me out here, S-General. If LEOs spend lots of their time tracking good guys, that makes it easier to catch bad guys?

    No sale.
    The truth is that countries with lots of area, Western traditions and government, and relatively small populations face fewer and smaller problems than a country (ours) with similar characteristics, but with a comparatively huge population. Ten times the population always means more than ten times the difficulty. I think that we're doing a fine job.

    On your gun laws and violence involving guns: co-occurrence is not causality.

    Even Wendy Cukier, of the Coalition for Gun Control in Toronto, (a person who’d want to be able to show causality, I expect) said "It's still a bit soon to attribute it to the most recent gun-control law, but certainly the trend in Canada of strengthening controls over firearms does appear to be having an effect."

    :banghead:

    My friend’s dog knows that hiding under the bed makes thunderstorms eventually go away, too: “It’s still a bit soon to attribute the diminishing thunder to hiding under the bed, but it certainly does appear to be having an effect.â€

    With the Canadian laws? Maybe at your house. No envy here.
     
  3. SDC

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    Exactly; even though the TOTAL number of murders are up, these idiots are claiming that this is a "success" for gun control. Another thing; since registration wasn't even mandatory until the beginning of 2003, how do these figures (from 2002) prove anything? The REAL cause of the dropping murder rate is that the Canadian median age is rising; as our population ages (and older people are less likely to commit murders), the murder rate drops as a result. Additionally, the single biggest group of gun-related murders (and the fastest-growing segment) is those comitted with handguns, which have had to be registered in Canada since the 1930s :rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah, they'll holler and scream that gun control works until the next tragedy or school shooting. Then they'll "need" more gun control.


    This may be kinda OT, but hopefully you'll bear with me.

    Either way the gun/crime statistics sway, the "answer" according to those who think they know will always be to push for more gun control, to the point of banning all firearms.

    So look at Scenario #1: If it "works."

    *Utopia* decides that they need some form of Gun control. So, they implement a little background check and a tax. After all, that's not unreasonable. Do you want more crime?

    Later, as this doesn't seem to do much either way, they'll institute a waiting period, make high-capacity magazines illegal, etc.

    So, gun crime goes down. Well, if gun control works in controlling crime, then we owe it to the children to make *Utopia* as safe as possible. TURN THEM ALL IN.

    Or perhaps they'll say, "Our society is so safe now, you don't need a weapon to defend yourself, and you don't need to hunt to get food. TURN THEM ALL IN."

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    Now let's look at Scenario #2: If (or when, rather) it doesn't work.

    *Utopia* decides they need some form of gun control. Like before, they just start out with an interrogation before you buy a gun, and impose a tax on guns and ammunition.

    Well, this doesn't stop gun crime, so we need to get more drastic. We need a waiting period, and we need to ban all of those guns that have no use but to kill other people. After all, there's never a legitimate reason for killing another human being, right?

    Well, this doesn't work either. Time to register them all. Tax them heavily. You get the idea. Make it worse than a hernia checkup to get a gun.

    Well, there's STILL too much crime. The only way to solve this now is to get rid of all firearms. TURN THEM ALL IN.

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    Seriously, think about it a while. No matter what the outcome of instituting gun control is, the end result will always be the banning and confiscation of all firearms. And then all archery equipment. And then all sharp or pointy things.

    Why do you think this is? I don't want to get ranty or philosophical, so I just leave it at that.

    I hope you get what I'm trying to say, though.

    Wes
     
  5. GSB

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    These people are fixated on guns to the exclusion of anything else. Saving lives is secondary to their main goal of ridding the world of their own particular psychological bogeyman. That is why there can never be any "reasonable" compromise or appeasement with them. Nothing will EVER be enough because gun control is not a means to an end for them, it's a monomaniacal obsession.
     
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