Sniper4Life
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To put it bluntly you are going to have a hard time concealing a 10ga or 20mm weapon. period. I to would go with the sawed off winchester 1887 idea, but still the concealability would be bad.
Gun For a Story
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to leadcounsel: Actually, the idea was that they would be lethal. I've never actually fired one of them, normal shotgun pellet shells is all I've ever fired. Since Jim knows more about guns than I, I'll respect his opinion on bolo-shot. I won't use it in the story.
I would like to test them out for myself someday, but I don't have a shotgun at the moment, nor do I want to blow ten dollars on three shells.
I would like to test them out for myself someday, but I don't have a shotgun at the moment, nor do I want to blow ten dollars on three shells.
to Molasses: That does look pretty good. I'll use that.
One final idea I had along the lines of the pistol-sized shot revolver, just in case it could be made to work (I like revolvers for some reason, hard habit to shake.): recoil-less. The extra gas is channeled into two tubes, one on either side of the barrel, were it goes forward almost all the way to the end of the barrel and is redirected out through a slit on both sides that are angled 45° backwards. Held at arms length like a pistol is supposed to be fired at, the two gas jets should miss the shooter. It'd still have some recoil, of course, but maybe not wrist-breakingly so. Stupid idea?
One final idea I had along the lines of the pistol-sized shot revolver, just in case it could be made to work (I like revolvers for some reason, hard habit to shake.): recoil-less. The extra gas is channeled into two tubes, one on either side of the barrel, were it goes forward almost all the way to the end of the barrel and is redirected out through a slit on both sides that are angled 45° backwards. Held at arms length like a pistol is supposed to be fired at, the two gas jets should miss the shooter. It'd still have some recoil, of course, but maybe not wrist-breakingly so. Stupid idea?
JesseL
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You've just described a muzzle brake. It's a very common and reasonably effective device on a lot of heavy recoiling firearms. They tend to work best with high pressure arms though and most 19th century arms don't really qualify as high pressure.
Jim Watson
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And the problem of dealing with black powder fouling of any sort of gas handling system. A substantial portion of the combustion products of black powder are solids, and they don't all blow out behind the bullet, but stay in the gun. Would clog up any sort of diverting tubing, and not do much good for simple vents or ports.
You might consider a scaled up version of a cute little pocket pistol known as the Reform. Looks like this:
Chambered in .25 ACP, and charmingly wacky. The block of barrels ratchets up one notch with each trigger pull, placing each chamber in succession under the hammer. The whole block of barrels is removable for loading.
You will note in the picture that the hammer spur seems to be oddly high. This is a feature of the automatic case ejection system. The bores have gas ports connecting them. One shot is fired, then on the second shot, that first chamber is up above the frame, and gas from the second shot blows the first case out, right at the shooter's face, only to be deflected by that high hammer spur. Each case in turn is ejected by the next shot. The case in the bottom chamber has to be extracted manually.
Chambered in .25 ACP, and charmingly wacky. The block of barrels ratchets up one notch with each trigger pull, placing each chamber in succession under the hammer. The whole block of barrels is removable for loading.
You will note in the picture that the hammer spur seems to be oddly high. This is a feature of the automatic case ejection system. The bores have gas ports connecting them. One shot is fired, then on the second shot, that first chamber is up above the frame, and gas from the second shot blows the first case out, right at the shooter's face, only to be deflected by that high hammer spur. Each case in turn is ejected by the next shot. The case in the bottom chamber has to be extracted manually.
if your looking for something exotic, why not an early version of the 4 barrel winchester shotgun?
or have him be an ex tourist of japan who picked up one of the oversized cannon the japanese liked, although a 60 pound 2inch bore cannon is not concealed easily in a dinner jacket...
why not just go with a more obscure gun that actualy existed? The first attempts to make the enfield rifle are ultimate "steam punk" contraptions.
But personally i like the big bore winchester shotgun, easily rigged up like brandon fraisers charecter in the Mummy Returns.
or have him be an ex tourist of japan who picked up one of the oversized cannon the japanese liked, although a 60 pound 2inch bore cannon is not concealed easily in a dinner jacket...
why not just go with a more obscure gun that actualy existed? The first attempts to make the enfield rifle are ultimate "steam punk" contraptions.
But personally i like the big bore winchester shotgun, easily rigged up like brandon fraisers charecter in the Mummy Returns.
mrmeval
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For that time frame browning would be easiest though baked on oil finish would also work. Depending on the level of chemical knowledge you could go for parkerizing.
To Jim Watson and JesseL: do you see ballistite smokeless power as being sufficiently clean and powerful to work? It was invented in the mid 1880s, but is made from two chemicals known for decades previously. I don't see anything in principle keeping this type of power from being invented ten, fifteen years earlier.
Hi, is your " gun for a story" still going on? I just ran accross it while looking for something else and was interested in what gun you ended up with as I had some history on the Maxium machine gun that worked in 1884 using black powder and 45 cal. cartridges. Later it was made in all kinds of calibers up to 37mm and different configurations that seemed to fit what you were looking for. His first "machine gun" was a 1866 modified Winchester leveraction in 1883 and was applied to many Winchester 44s mostly in Turkey for some reason. He also made a fully automatic rifle using a revolving magazine based on the Roper system which was into auto shotgun design. Maxim also made some automatic pistols so it seems all the elements are there for a large bore auto pistol in the 1880s.
Thanks.
Frank
Thanks.
Frank
Hi, is your " gun for a story" still going on? I just ran accross it while looking for something else and was interested in what gun you ended up with as I had some history on the Maxium machine gun that worked in 1884 using black powder and 45 cal. cartridges. Later it was made in all kinds of calibers up to 37mm and different configurations that seemed to fit what you were looking for. His first "machine gun" was a 1866 modified Winchester leveraction in 1883 and was applied to many Winchester 44s mostly in Turkey for some reason. He also made a fully automatic rifle using a revolving magazine based on the Roper system which was into auto shotgun design. Maxim also made some automatic pistols so it seems all the elements are there for a large bore auto pistol in the 1880s.
Thanks.
Frank
Thanks.
Frank
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