Gun groups ask ATF to prosecute Bloomberg for violating GCA!

[romma]

To me, if you do not believe the laws are just, and you do not believe BATFE should even exist, then wishing for anyone to be prosecuted for violating said laws by an agency that should not exist ... is, well, ... hypocritical.

I have no problem being hypocritical in this case, because even thoough these laws suck, they should be the same for everyone because no one should be exempt because of their "status"... Besides, it would be fitting for Blomberg to be a convicted felon unable to be in possesion of firearms. This way we can all be assured he is practicing what he preaches...

 

[alan]

Michigander:

Interesting points in your post, however the following are givens, to me.

I submit that the general run of gun control enactments are constitutionally questionable, while those proposed are, at best, idiotic if not a whole lot worse.

As for the BATFE, in it's latest Alphabet Soup Configuration, as I've said here and other places before, The Congress should long since have checked the criminal antics of this mob, phony prosecutions, tampering with evidence and so forth. Unfortunately, they haven't.

So given that laws are on the books, and would, in the proverbial New York Minute, be enforced to hell and back against us ordinary types, who the hell is Bloomberg to warrant what seemingly is a Pass to violate the law, if you will, a Stay Out Of Jail Card? Both the U.S. Attorney's office and the BATFE should be all over him and his hirelings like maggots on rotten meat. The fact that they aren't as yet, and are unlikely ever to be is illustrative of the difference between the way things are and the way they should be.

I think that Romma's post, page 2 is worth a read. Its short, and takes just a moment to read.

 

[Soybomb]

To me, if you do not believe the laws are just, and you do not believe BATFE should even exist, then wishing for anyone to be prosecuted for violating said laws by an agency that should not exist ... is, well, ... hypocritical.

I can certainly see why one might make an arguement in that direction but at the same time I'm not sure that I find there to be anything wrong with saying "this law is unjust but while it remains the law there shall be no special treatment for those in positions of power." Thats certainly how I felt with the recent case of the southern illinois state police found in posession of machine guns. Couldn't it be better for your cause to say "no one is above the law, its you dislike the law help change it"?

 

[Zedicus]

hoji: Looks like some people are waking up to the fact that there are two classes of people in this country and two sets of rules depending on which caste you belong to.

Bout friggin time to if you ask me...
Hopefully it will result in the end of the double standards.

 

[gm]

Id like him to be checked,unfortunatly, the BATFE wont do that.He has alot of cash to toss at an action against him.Seems bloomers is a big shot there,perhaps he was "asked" by someone to start his antics to prove their point?


I cant see bloomers thinking this all up by himself but he is definately part of the problem.



Hes not an enforcement agency and he did knowingly break federal law.Money or not, he should suffer the consequences just like anybody.If nothing is done about him, I guess it'll prove it then.

 

[RNB65]

Bloomberg didn't fill out any of the forms or try to buy any of the weapons. His cronies did. The only thing that Bloomie could be charged with is conspiracy. In order to make a case, the Fed would have to aggressively go after the gun buyers and then offer them deals to testify against Bloomie.

 

[stevelyn]

The Waffen BATFEces and Bloomberg are more or less allies.

 

[alan]

RNB65 writes:

Bloomberg didn't fill out any of the forms or try to buy any of the weapons. His cronies did. The only thing that Bloomie could be charged with is conspiracy. In order to make a case, the Fed would have to aggressively go after the gun buyers and then offer them deals to testify against Bloomie.

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Seems to me that there have been any number of persons charged, indicted, tried, sentenced and sent off to prison on CONSPIRACY charges. Why not Mr. Mayor too? Of course, and anyone correct me if I'm wrong, a law enforcement agency, BATFE in this case, has to make a referral to the U.S. Attorney's Office in that jurisdiction. Is anyone holding their breath waiting for that juncture to be reached? Of course, we then come to what passes for "law enforcement" ala the BATFE, "law enforcement" including questionable prosecutions, and tampering with evidence among other things.

 

[gunsmith]

The NRA

The NRA not signing on just worsens my suspicions about them being more Pro-Republican than Pro-Gun.

Has featured Blooming idiot a number of times in First Freedom, they are not his friend at all.
They have an excellent legal team. Perhaps they are working on something.

 

[gm]

RND65,he didnt personally but I wonder if that wouldnt be known as making straw purchases.He did send his cronies to buy said weapons in another state as well right? I'd hazard a guess that the BATFE has gone after individuals whom have done this very same thing and they were accused of dealing without a ffl, violation of interstate laws,straw purchasing and others.He is in it bigtime and his antigun buddies know it.



Selective enforcement and politics are the name of this game.

 

[hammer4nc]

Double standard? How are undercover agents immune from fraud charges?

Often THR members, some who are also public officials themselves, have made the assertion that the law applies equally to all citizens. We see many stories where officials are slapped on the wrist or given a pass for an offense that would get arrest, trial, and imprisonment...but that's not what I'm getting at here.

Could someone cite the actual law that permits officials to break the law; to enforce the law?

We're at the point now, where committing fraud is routinely accepted by public officials (unless they are under oath ), whereas mere citizens lying on official forms, or verbally to police, is a crime.

But beyond that, these officials completed a fraudulant transaction, violating the GCA. But ATF agents do this every day. The only thing making this case noteworthy, is the fact that they were operating way outside their jurisdiction?

Repeating the question: What statute permits officials to engage in fraud (oral and transactional) in the furtherance of their duties?

 

[romma]

The only thing that Bloomie could be charged with is conspiracy.

That would be fine by me. It's at least a place to start... Especially since he is the one bragging about orchestrating this so-called sting. By his own admission, they got him dead to rights!

 

[Phetro]

When will people learn...

The government is not going to go after Bloomberg. They are cheering him on. If he succeeds, the ATF will get a much bigger budget and a lot more employees to enforce their rules!

 

[romma]

Why can't a sherrif and local DA arrest, then prosecute him in these jurisdictions where the illegal transfers took place?

 

[Strings]

because he'd have to actualy BE in those jurisdictions?

Now, maybe the locals could start complaining about the lack of charges against the illegal buyers, which could ultimately result in conspiracy charges?

 

[alan]

hammer4nc writes:

Could someone cite the actual law that permits officials to break the law; to enforce the law?

We're at the point now, where committing fraud is routinely accepted by public officials (unless they are under oath ), whereas mere citizens lying on official forms, or verbally to police, is a crime.

Repeating the question: What statute permits officials to engage in fraud (oral and transactional) in the furtherance of their duties?

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Re the question asked, none that I know of, but then I'm not all that learned in the law. Your reference to a DOUBLE STANDARD does however set bells ringing.

 

[gunsmith]

I think it's called a Plutocracy

or Golden Rule, them with the gold make the rules.

 

[Beagle-zebub]

Where is the ACLU to sue over this blatant violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment??? My, I am surprised.

 

[Caimlas]

Of the "laws" that were violated, how many do you believe are unconstitutional?

How many of you believe the BATFE is an agency that should exist?

How many of you believe that the NY Mayor should be nailed by the BATFE for violating said "laws"?

To me, if you do not believe the laws are just, and you do not believe BATFE should even exist, then wishing for anyone to be prosecuted for violating said laws by an agency that should not exist ... is, well, ... hypocritical.

For me, I don't believe those laws are constitutional. I don't believe the BATFE should exist in its current incarnation. I believe that it is the duty of every citizen to both obey just laws, and disobey unjust laws.

But I also believe Bloomburg should take it up the tailpipe for this. Because it's really the only way to nail him for his attempts to subjugate his will over gun shops, and effectively try to shut down available venues for firearms. Kinda like, "well, he didn't get a ticket for speeding, but he got hauled off to jail for drunk driving!" or "sure, he didn't get caught for raping that kid, but I'm glad to see he's in jail for the next 5 years for taking a leak in the bushes and 'exposing' himself".

Also, "if it's good enough for us, it's good neough for them" should apply. Of course, it won't, and he'll run for President and screw us all immeasurably, but what the hey. We're going down the pooper already, what's a little more expediency to the effort?

 

[Caimlas]

Could someone cite the actual law that permits officials to break the law; to enforce the law?

It's not even that potentially permissible. His goons weren't officials, just goons, and it wasn't even in Goonberg's realm of officialdom.

 

[mike101]

Quote: "No enforcement will take place until a criminal complaint is filed." BINGO. So, what's the holdup?

I don't even know what to call what Bloomberg does. It's not entrapment. It's worse. He has his goons go out and beat the system. Then, he has the gun shop owner prosecuted, as if it's their fault.

This guy is even lower than Lautenburg, if that's possible.

 

[alan]

Beagle-zebub asks:

Where is the ACLU to sue over this blatant violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment??? My, I am surprised.

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The question, while certainly legitimaste, seems somewhat beside the point of ths discussion.

Since it was asked, might I offer the following, re the ACLU and anything having to do with firearms and or the rights of gun owers. When, if ever has any branch of ACLU even pressed a firearms related case anywhere? So far as I know, they haven't and the demonstrated attitudes of ACLU officialdom and leadership can best be described as anti gun, correct me should I be in error.

 

[mike101]

I asked that question myself, a while back. The ACLU considers 2A a collective right. That "militia" crap again. That is, everywhere but Texas. I was told that the Texas branch does defend 2A rights.

 

[Green Lantern]

Of the "laws" that were violated, how many do you believe are unconstitutional?

How many of you believe the BATFE is an agency that should exist?

How many of you believe that the NY Mayor should be nailed by the BATFE for violating said "laws"?

Well, I say that the law IS the law until it's changed. If it was "Joe Gun Owner" pulling Bloomberg's crap, the Feds would have kicked HIS door in a LONG time ago! Why should Bloomberg be different?

Bloomberg broke the laws.

Bloomberg should be charged, tried, and in an ideal world, CONVICTED for those crimes.

 

[romma]

My letter to Fox News: Dear Fox News, I am writing to find out why no investigation or reporting of NYC Mayor Bloombergs' illegal practice of "Breaking the law to enforce the law" is being pursued by any member of the media anywhere? He cleary violated the law, and I would like to see it exposed for what it is. I am referring to Mayor Bloombergs' campaign of sending in purchasers of firearms legally, then allowing them to conduct what is known as "straw purchases" with other buyers. They are highly illegal, and no agency to date has filed charges against him. I challenge Fox News to investigate this matter. Sincerely,