Gun ignorance in the news

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The phrase that really annoys me is "fully loaded," as in "the man had a fully loaded 9mm handgun." The adjective "fully" is just an intensifier. Does the reporter really know how many rounds are in the magazine?

Gun guys should realize that word usage changes and non-shooters may use old phrases. Referring to a revolver as a pistol, for example, was once pretty common. Clip and magazine were once more interchangeable than they are now, and there has always been some confusion an "automatic pistol" and an "auto-loading pistol."
 
The phrase that really annoys me is "fully loaded," as in "the man had a fully loaded 9mm handgun." The adjective "fully" is just an intensifier. Does the reporter really know how many rounds are in the magazine?

Gun guys should realize that word usage changes and non-shooters may use old phrases. Referring to a revolver as a pistol, for example, was once pretty common. Clip and magazine were once more interchangeable than they are now, and there has always been some confusion an "automatic pistol" and an "auto-loading pistol."

They use word like that because they know they will get 'called out' if they say 'evil gun'.
 
I was working on business in Bogata Columbia in 2005 and there was an attack by a militant group around 10pm one night. Apparently, they are trying to overthrow the government...

....there were many bursts of automatic gun-fire.....followed by morters....it lasted at least 5 minutes

This was only a block or two away from the hotel..... very scary.


Anyway, I don't consider the term "bursts of semi-automatic gun fire" from news reporters to be that ignorant....

Obviously, if these events were trully "bursts of gun fire" it would be from a fully auto weapon and this would be very rare in the USA.
 
I work in the news industry, and I often read stories that betray a reporter's ignorance when it comes to firearms. I just came across this paragraph from an Associated Press story about violence today in Syria:

I could be wrong, but it appears to me that the reporter was trying to describe automatic gunfire, as he mentioned it was heavy fighting, and these were government forces firing on civilian protesters. If it were semi-automatic fire, why even describe it as "bursts of semi-automatic" fire?

So you post a thread in order to call a reporter "ignorant" only then to admit that you could be wrong, but that it was your interpretation that the reporter must have been trying to describe automatic gunfire?

In other words, you weren't there, but you are calling the reporter ignorant in describing a situation about which you are personally ignorant?

I think you have betrayed your own ignorance.
 
...for non-gun owners the term "burst" is subjective. This burst the reporter heard was probably from a semi-automatic gun.

To a gun owner, there would be no mistaking a burst from an automatic gun (e.g., machine gun) and a semi-auto.
 
What never fails to grate on my nerves is the term "bullet casings" which having shot for over 55 years and reloaded for 40+ years I have never seen. Or calling cartridges "bullets" which indicates a total lack of knowledge, willingness to learn anything, and happiness to be in a state of ignorance.

This is only topped by "semi-automatic revolver" and a 25 mm handgun (a King County, WA, council woman) fired by an obviously very big and mean dude. :evil:
 
The term semi-automatic is junk.

First, self loading pistols have long been called "automatics" my grandpa calls them automatics and he's an avid gun owner. Tintin calls them automatics.

Second, from a linguistics standpoint, since automatic means it does it for you (loads the next round) then semi-automatic would mean that it sometimes does it for you and sometimes doesn't.

How about "automatics" and "machine-guns"?
 
A reporter wants to get the most "bang" for his literary buck so he's going to be inclined to use words that will elicit a stronger response from his readers.

As to nomenclature: I remember when I played "Clue" as a kid. The solution would be "Col. Mustard in the library with the revolver" when the playing piece was clearly an M1911. Even as a kid, that drove me nuts but I never knew anyone else who even noticed. The same with "magazine" and "clip," "bullet" and "cartridge" and so on.

I don't care if they get the names wrong. I just want them to get the other facts straight.
 
Evertime there a gun involved the local news station shows a semi-auto reguardless.
If it's a rifle shooting they show a AK type weapon on the screen behind them.
I was watching Cops and the cop called a revolver a semi-auto. duh

Govern a great nation as you would cook a small fish. (Don't overdo it.) - Lao-Tse
 
I expected that the reporter was trying to describe brief, repetitive series of gunfire and happened to use a word connected to a specific technical meaning within the domain of firearms. Although it's possible they were trying to use one of the other definitions such as "a sudden outbreak;"
 
In other words, you weren't there, but you are calling the reporter ignorant in describing a situation about which you are personally ignorant?

I think you have betrayed your own ignorance.

Well that's a little bit mean, isn't it?

It's also just slightly illogical, because you are comparing to different things: An accusation of a reporter's possible ignorance about guns when he was there and reports on war and fighting (and that kind of ignorance is avoidable), and an accusation of a message board poster's ignorance about what happened in a faraway country when he has to rely on a reporter's reporting (and that ignorance is unavoidable, because of course I wasn't there, so I have to make conclusions based on what the reporter tells me, and thus we get to the debate about "bursts").

I was using the story to illustrate a broader trend of general ignorance in news reporting about guns, something we've all seen numerous times. The way the sentence was written, with the reporter talking about "heavy shooting" from government forces in the beginning of the sentence, indicates that the reporter actually heard automatic firing (probably AKs). But that is neither here nor there.

The larger point is very valid. Working here at the two newspapers I edit for, I regularly have to correct gun ignorance among news reporters (and other editors). You probably wouldn't be too surprised at how many "assault rifles" I have had to delete from stories about semi-automatic rifles.
 
What else is new? I get a historical novel on CD from the library to listen to when I drive. It's about Napoleon. In the first few minutes, Napoleon is in Egypt and describes how he loves the smell of cordite after a battle.

That sunk that novel.
 
Mainstream media is ignorant about most technical subjects. We just happen to nitpick about guns because we know better.

Assume that everything the news says about a technical subject with which you are unfamiliar, is grossly erroneous.
 
Assume that everything the news says about a technical subject with which you are unfamiliar, is grossly erroneous.

My experience in the news business tells me you are exactly right.
 
Was listening to the radio and heard someone one a lottery for $300 billion dollars. My, those decimal places are to understand.
 
I don't expect much detailed accuracy from reporters, based on experience. After all , how many well informed smart liberals can there be? Where errors really grate me is in a novel when a glaring error disrupts the story.
 
It's not just the news...

Wife and I were driving cross country, listening to a book on tape. The heroine, a San Francisco police woman detective, "flips the safety off her Glock." I don't know. I don't have any Glocks, but unless it's some local modification required by San Francisco, who knows? BTW: This was from one of the top authors in the field.

At least she didn't flip the safety off her revolver...

- - - Yoda
 
I too have seen the author of a top selling fiction novel take the safety off his Glock. :what: I don't know how you shoot the bad guys if you take the trigger out...

And I have an acquaintance that does cowboy action shooting. And he can 'burst fire' a SA revolver faster than most people can fire a semi. And he's derned accurate as well.
 
Well that's a little bit mean, isn't it?

Interesting, you can intimate or even state ignorance of somebody else, but when you demonstrate it yourself and are called on the deck for it, you cry foul.

It's also just slightly illogical, because you are comparing to different things: An accusation of a reporter's possible ignorance about guns when he was there and reports on war and fighting (and that kind of ignorance is avoidable), and an accusation of a message board poster's ignorance about what happened in a faraway country when he has to rely on a reporter's reporting (and that ignorance is unavoidable, because of course I wasn't there, so I have to make conclusions based on what the reporter tells me, and thus we get to the debate about "bursts").

Got it, two different things. The first is a topic distant to the reporter's knowledge and the second is a topic geographically distant to you. Either way, neither of you necessarily has the knowledge base to properly discuss the subject. In short, you picked a really bad example and didn't realize it.

I was using the story to illustrate a broader trend of general ignorance in news reporting about guns, something we've all seen numerous times.
Yes, I can see you work in the industry.

The way the sentence was written, with the reporter talking about "heavy shooting" from government forces in the beginning of the sentence, indicates that the reporter actually heard automatic firing (probably AKs). But that is neither here nor there.

This is what I love about folks who know better what is going on than the person there. You have decided the reporter was ignorant without knowing the information first hand. In other words, you are ignorant of the specific situation being reported.

The larger point is very valid. Working here at the two newspapers I edit for, I regularly have to correct gun ignorance among news reporters (and other editors). You probably wouldn't be too surprised at how many "assault rifles" I have had to delete from stories about semi-automatic rifles.

The larger point may be valid, but your example here failed. You should have picked a story dealing with a specific fact that you could actually verify, and hence not be ignorant about the original data.

Interesting that you are some sort of editor. From your OP...
I also regularly find reporters write or say "semi-automatic pistol," when the "semi-automatic" is, for the most part, not needed, but it must sound more frightening that way in their minds.

While this might be an interesting seque to some, it really has nothing to do with reporter ignorance. "Semi-auto" may not be needed, but that isn't because the reporter is ignorant about guns and the information is incorrect. What you apparently don't realize is that a revolver is also considered a pistol. There are also single shot and multi-barrel pistols. "Pistol" is synonymous with "handgun." http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FirearmsGlossary/
 
I've seen three young reporters in action, and was dismayed by the crude, ignorant, inappropriate joke (about the instructor of a guy who ran a rented plane between two trees-at least it stopped), made by the first reporter in '78 ("KC Evening Star"), and two others here with the "Memphis Commercial Appeal" not long ago.

The youngsters I saw were too young to know much about anything. Some use their media jobs as a booster to the (higher-paying) entertainment industry.
 
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