Good Ol' Boy
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I was recently requested for jury duty in the upcoming month or so. Obviously one can not carry inside court houses, but is it ok to leave the gun in the vehicle on county property as such?
Red Wind said:....other than a Federal Courthouse parking lot, all other parking lots should be good to go.
C. The granting of a concealed handgun permit pursuant to this article shall not thereby authorize the possession of any handgun or other weapon on property or in places where such possession is otherwise prohibited by law or is prohibited by the owner of private property.
A citation? Or are you just guessing?
No Gun Signs have no force of law in Virginia,
Private property when prohibited by the owner of the property, or where posted as prohibited. Violation is a trespass charge and not a firearms violation. § 18.2-308
If any person without authority of law goes upon or remains upon the lands, buildings or premises of another, or any portion or area thereof, after having been forbidden to do so, either orally or in writing, by the owner, lessee, custodian, or the agent of any such person, or other person lawfully in charge thereof, or after having been forbidden to do so by a sign or signs posted by or at the direction of such persons or the agent of any such person
§ 18.2-11. Punishment for conviction of misdemeanor.
The authorized punishments for conviction of a misdemeanor are:
(a) For Class 1 misdemeanors, confinement in jail for not more than twelve months and a fine of not more than $2,500, either or both.
That's a bit misleading.
Do
“No Gun Signs” Have the Force of Law?
“NO”
“Handgunlaw.us highly recommends that you not enter a place that is posted "No Firearms" no matter what
the state laws read/mean on signage. We recommend you print out the
No Guns = No Money Cards
and
give one to the owner of the establishment that has the signage." As responsible gun owners and upholders of
the 2nd Amendment we should also honor the rights of property owners to control their own property
even if
we disagree with them
Private property when prohibited by the owner of the property, or where posted as prohibited. Violation is a trespass charge and not a firearms violation. § 18.2-308
I read that doc and if you keep reading it past the part you quoted it says
Quote:
Private property when prohibited by the owner of the property, or where posted as prohibited. Violation is a trespass charge and not a firearms violation. § 18.2-308
If any person without authority of law goes upon or remains upon the lands, buildings or premises of another, or any portion or area thereof, after having been forbidden to do so, either orally or in writing, by the owner, lessee, custodian, or the agent of any such person, or other person lawfully in charge thereof, or after having been forbidden to do so by a sign or signs posted by or at the direction of such persons or the agent of any such person
A no gun sign can be posted and if bring one you could be charged with trespassing.
That's what Gary's site says and that's what the statues say.
I think Gary has confused things here.You are saying that if the parking lot owner puts up a sign simply saying No Guns Allowed and does not follow up with adding , No Trespassing, it is still a possible trespass offense?
Then what is the point of Handgun Law or any other site saying No Guns Signs have no force of law? If you can be eventually be arrested on a trespass charge because you breached that No Guns sign. Sounds like a Catch 22. A contradiction in the bolded part.
If any person without authority of law goes upon or remains upon the lands, buildings or premises of another, or any portion or area thereof, after having been forbidden to do so, either orally or in writing, by the owner, lessee, custodian, or the agent of any such person, or other person lawfully in charge thereof, or after having been forbidden to do so by a sign or signs posted by or at the direction of such persons or the agent of any such person
A no gun sign can be posted and if bring one you could be charged with trespassing.
That's what Gary's site says and that's what the statues say.
Where does Gary's site say that? It is not in the Handgun Law quote I put up in post #13....
Of course that's all based on the plain language of the statute. If someone would like to do the research and see what, if anything, Virginia courts of appeal have said on the point, I'm sure we'd all be grateful.
You are saying that if the parking lot owner puts up a sign simply saying No Guns Allowed and does not follow up with adding , No Trespassing, it is still a possible trespass offense?
Then what is the point of Handgun Law or any other site saying No Guns Signs have no force of law? If you can be eventually be arrested on a trespass charge because you breached that No Guns sign. Sounds like a Catch 22. A contradiction in the bolded part.
Where does Gary's site say that? It is not in the Handgun Law quote I put up in post #13
Answer me that and we will call it a night!
Private property when prohibited by the owner of the property, or where posted as prohibited. Violation is a trespass charge and not a firearms violation. § 18.2-308
Thanks for the clarification, Frank. If a Virginia court of appeal has not ruled on particular signage, certainly violating a posted No Guns Sign could then lead to a disastrous misdemeanor.
I let me Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL) membership lapse, however I still have their contact info. On Monday I will will see if they can shed any light on this ticklish situation.
You can read Here what the Virginia Citizens Defensive League states on this matter and that they must ask you to leave first.
5/12/16 - On May 6 Brian Coy, the governor’s spokesperson, affirmed the order is a policy and if a gun owner is asked to leave at one of these locations, and didn’t leave immediately the punishment would be trespassing. "If you enter a facility that's under the purview of this order, you'll be asked to leave or you'll deny entry. If you're respectful, that should be the end of the story," said Coy.
Private property when prohibited by the owner of the property, or where posted as prohibited. Violation is a trespass charge and not a firearms violation. § 18.2-308
As I see it, the law says, and Frank agrees, and Garys site alludes at if you read between the lines, the no gun sign dint have the force of law for a firearms charge/conviction, but they can for a trespassing change/conviction.
Red wing, no, you didn't hurt my feelings.
I think Gary has confused things here.
From now on, those signs will be treated as trespassing and I'll just mosey on by to the next establishment or parking lot that is sans possible disaster.
I DO agree with that we shouldn't have to read between the lines. Gary does great work and his site is generally the only one I use...but I always check the States site too.