Gun Movie screw ups....

[chaseguitar]

Saw something on Field and Stream the other day about great gun movies and got me to thinking about how the movies tend to screw things up...Two come to mind....
The first was in Saving Private Ryan and there are really two screw ups here...the first thing I noticed was that the slackjawed sniper (who I loved by the way) was left handed shooting a right handed rifle...Now I'm not saying there were no left handed shooters, maybe there were a bunch, but it seemed to me that lefty sharp shooters wouldn't be the norm....and also in Saving Private Ryan, when they take the machine gun nest, (when the medic is killed) and the NEw Yorker is going to cut out and leave and the Sargent is going to shoot him, he pulls his 1911 to do so and the first thing he does is rack the slide...now correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that 1911's were carried locked and loaded so all you had to do was lower that safety and bang....so racking of the slide....
The next screw up was in 3:10 to Yuma....the crippled cowpoke with the old springfield trapdoor during the whole movie keeps shucking the lever like its a henry rifle...it's a single shot gun...no tube magazine here bud....just pull the hammer back and shoot the darn thing....its not a lever gun....

ANy other good ones....?

 

[Nero_Atrum]

I saw a heat seeking 40mm grenade launcher in The Punisher last night.

 

[ThomasT]

In the movie "Death Hunt" they go after Charles Bronson at his cabin and get shot up. Then the next scene shows Lee Marvin going through his gun locker and loading up. A giant editing screw up.

Also when Bronson jumps over a cliff you can see him drop his Savage 99. Then on the other side he has his gun again.

In Young Guns every time something is about to happen they work the levers on their guns one more time.

 

[HOLY DIVER]

what about gunsmoke?
i want a old colt single action that will fire 13 times without reloading!

 

[chaseguitar]

how 'bout in Shooter when the hot chick shoots her head case captor on the mountain....she takes was is presumably a fully loaded crome plated Beretta Model 92 that the Senator has thrown down, shoots the guy three times and the slide locks back....

 

[dscottw88]

Its hard for me to watch a movie that has a lot of firearms in it and not critique every little thing. I know deep down I love leaning over and sharing my knowledge about the ways of the gun.

 

[HOLY DIVER]

yea we have to take hollywood
for what it is ......hollywood

 

[gvnwst]

I saw a heat seeking 40mm grenade launcher in The Punisher last night.

I musta have missed that, what i saw of that movie was actually pretty real. He actually changes mags in his 1911!

 

[Nero_Atrum]

I musta have missed that, what i saw of that movie was actually pretty real. He actually changes mags in his 1911!

You see it when he blows that guy up in mid air. But aside from that I agree everything was pretty real.

 

[batmann]

It's still make believe. We all like movies with firearms, but reality is not their agenda.
What I hate are the stars who are against our gun ownership, but will make a movie AND money off of movies where guns play a major role.

 

[Rob G]

I was watching "Transporter 2" the other night. Gotta love the scene where the evil chick takes a Glock 18 (complete w/ silencer, laser site, and 33 round mag) and blows up a helicopter with one quick burst of like maybe 5 rounds. :banghead:

And I don't mean she damaged it so that it had to land...I mean she blew the damn thing up. I've seen some pretty inaccurate stuff but this may be one of the worst ever.

 

[Ron James]

Once more, the 1911 was not designed to be carried cocked and locked, that is something modern pistoleros come up with, The 45 was universality carried in the military with a empty chamber. Once you have arrived in a hot zone, then it was standard to carry , hammer down on a live round. There may have been exceptions but as a rule it was carried hammer down on a empty chamber. If I ever observed an enlisted man carrying cocked and locked his ass was grass and I was the lawnmower. If I observed an officer carring cocked and locked his ass was grass and My commander was the lawnmower. And yes this is documented and in the manuals. The military police carried hammer down on a empty chamber,Also, left handed shooters were taught to shoot the Army way, right handed. The army never fielded left handed guns. The Army was not run like Gun Sight. A pistol in the military is secondary and useless in a firefight, the first thing in combat, you throw the dang thing away and grap a rifle, you will live a lot longer. This subject comes up about once every two months.

 

[dwave]

Back on the subject; for those black powder shooters!

In the Last Samurai ol' Tom tells a soldier to reload, he then instructs him to shoot him. The soldier reloads the gun with the ramrod, but never puts a new cap on, he just pulls back the hammer and fires.

 

[SaMx]

I was watching "Transporter 2" the other night. Gotta love the scene where the evil chick takes a Glock 18 (complete w/ silencer, laser site, and 33 round mag) and blows up a helicopter with one quick burst of like maybe 5 rounds.

And I don't mean she damaged it so that it had to land...I mean she blew the damn thing up. I've seen some pretty inaccurate stuff but this may be one of the worst ever.

that, and taking cover behind a wood table

 

[chad1043]

^^^ Ron beat me to it...

 

[chaseguitar]

Thanks for clearing that up Ron...I hate being misinformed and would much rather have the correct information than go on spewing false information...I had just always heard, from the wrong folks I guess, that that was the way the 1911 was "supposed" to be carried. Thanks again....sorry for confusion...

 

[dwave]

I am going to go off topic now. This is from the:

WAR DEPARTMENT
BASIC FIELD MANUAL
AUTOMATIC PISTOL
CALIBER .45
M1911 AND M1911A1

b. If it is desired to make the pistol ready for instant use
and for firing the maximum number of shots with the least
possible delay, draw back the slide, insert a cartridge by hand
into the chamber of the barrel, allow the slide to close, then
lock the slide and the cocked hammer by pressing the safety
lock upward and insert a loaded magazine. The slide and
hammer being thus positively locked, the pistol may be carried safely at full cock and it is only necessary to press down the
safety lock (which is located within easy reach of the thumb)
when raising the pistol to the firing position

From 1940, page 11 and 12.

With that put down, the army still trained the troops to carry with the chamber empty.

A pistol in the military is secondary and useless in a firefight

Tell that to Alvin York.

 

[MIgunguy]

Now, my memory may be wrong on this as I only saw the movie once, and once was more than enough, but I remeber in Escape From L.A. Snake Pliskin had guns that besides having unlimted bullet capacity you could hear the empty brass hitting the ground as he fired... very unique for a revolver.

You could actually write a book on the subject, if you really wanted to. If you have too much time on your hands you can check out imdb.com and search the forums for any individual movies to find endless examples.

Something else I often see is the 1911 being fired with the hammer down (as if it were a double action). Recently saw that in NARC.

 

[altitude_19]

Bangkok Dangerous

I LOVE how Nick Cage opens up the case, throws the scope on the rifle and it's already magically sighted in for a 200 yd shot. I seem to recall the only scoped rifle you could take apart, put back together, and shoot worth a darn is one where the scope STAYS on the barrel (Browning BLR anyone?).

 

[Maelstrom]

Let's go right back to Saving Private Ryan.

The same Sniper says "Two clicks left" and then turns the objective lens instead of the crosshairs turret.

 

[k9870]

operation delta force movies, the really bad ones only shown on tnt during daytime, full of them, but working the action on a weapon every time they go in a room or around a corner is the worst, not to mention squadmates saying "300 yards, i cant believe it incredible shot" (terrorist in the open hit with a sniper rifle)

 

[JWarren]

I LOVE how Nick Cage opens up the case, throws the scope on the rifle and it's already magically sighted in for a 200 yd shot. I seem to recall the only scoped rifle you could take apart, put back together, and shoot worth a darn is one where the scope STAYS on the barrel (Browning BLR anyone?).

Or have a good QD mount like the LaRue SPR or ADM Recon. They can be expected to hold zero.


-- John

 

[altitude_19]

This looked like a top-rail set-up. Those hold zero?

 

[Loomis]

i don't have any movie examples. but I remember a stephen king novel. It was one in the "dark tower" series. A character named "roland" is a gunslinger, like in the wild west. ie he carries two SAA revolvers(sixguns). In one scene, he falls asleep on a beach and when he wakes up, the waves are on him and all his ammo is ruined because it got wet. LOL

So he unloads the wet cartridges by "swinging out the cylinder" and dumping out the wet cartridges.

 

[ConstantineJ9]

In Open Range Kevin Kostner fires his single action about 9 times.