Gun Owner Involvement In The Immigration Debate

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I received this less the Pic via e-mail, thought I would pass it on,

Immigration Bill Dead For Now -- Gun owners unheralded in media, but played a huge role in the defeat of bill
Gun Owners of America
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Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
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Friday, July 29, 2007
Well, the American public has spoken. If you ever wondered whether your activism pays off, then look no further than the immigration debate. The bill went down in flames yesterday by a vote of 53-46.
And good thing too, because this bill was packing more than just immigration stuff -- it also contained anti-gun language as well.
But what else would you expect from a Ted Kennedy bill?
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In addition to denying many law-abiding gun owners their right to find a job or buy a gun, the bill could have put every major gun shop out of business, something which the anti-gun left has been trying to do for years.
GOA wants to thank all of you who took action on our immigration alerts recently. You probably don't realize how important YOUR INVOLVEMENT was in killing this bill. Obviously, no one group can take all the credit, because there was pressure coming from all over America. Even so, most of the media has credited conservative talk shows as the 800 pound gorilla -- and yes, the talk shows were extremely important.
But remember the Baucus amendment that we asked you to lobby on? The Senate voted on whether to table (or kill) that amendment on Wednesday, but it failed to do so. That one amendment is being credited by insiders as being THE BIGGEST reason the bill could not get enough votes for cloture (that is, to end debate and vote up or down on the bill).
Consider what Congressional Quarterly had to say about that amendment on Wednesday: "The process [to get a Unanimous Consent agreement] came to a halt when the chamber refused to table an amendment by Max Baucus, D-Mont.... When the chamber voted against tabling the Baucus amendment, the process stopped. Without a unanimous consent agreement to adopt the amendment or move on, the next step was the cloture vote [which failed].
" This complies with what one highly placed Senate staffer told GOA yesterday when he said that the failed attempt to kill the Baucus amendment was "probably the reason we killed the bill."
The Baucus amendment would have protected the jobs and gun rights of Americans who live in states that are blocking the enforcement of the REAL ID Act. Without the promise of a National ID in every state, the Baucus amendment effectively became the ultimate poison pill in this bill.
So kudos to all of you for all of your hard work! Now, our attention reverts back to the McCarthy Brady expansion bill (HR 2640) -- which could come up any time after the July 4th holiday. Supporters of the McCarthy bill are hanging their hat on language which purports to help disqualified people get their rights restored. So GOA has built a special section on its website that gets to the truth on this issue and informs gun owners of the dangers in HR 2640. Please go to http://www.gunowners.org/netb.htm to learn what the specifics of the bill are, who its main supporters are, answers to claims made by proponents of the bill, who faces the greatest risk of being disqualified for buying a gun, and more.
 
Smoke and mirrors everywhere

The North American union or SPP also will do away with our gun rights because it would do away with the Constitution thus the 1 st and the 2 nd. They can't have guns in Mexico, or Canada [ i think] ,so we would not be allowed to have them either. We have our work cut out for us if we want to be free. :banghead:
 
Guns are legal in Canada but definetly not Mexico. Canada has strict limits on magazine capacity but little else.
 
Guns are legal in Mexico too , they have a caliber (No 9MM or larger caliber thats why 38 Super is popular down there ) restriction and no CCW rights .
 
This scares me: it makes me wonder if without the gun owners chipping whether the bill would have passed. If they exclude the firearm legislation, will it pass due to a lackluster response?

Re: Mexico and firearms: yes, they're legal - to a point. It is, from my understanding, similar to New York-style pistol owner registration, but for all firearms (ie, you'll be lucky in most places to get permission, and it helps to have the right friends), and you're limited to non-military calibers - no .308, no .223, no 9mm, no .45, no .367 sig - but non-military stuff is fine. Thus, revolvers are quite popular, as are older surplus rifles which shoot calibers no longer used by the militaries of the world.
 
This scares me: it makes me wonder if without the gun owners chipping whether the bill would have passed.

Don't kid yourself. It failed because 70-80% of Americans completely oppose amnesty for illegal aliens and no amount of BS from GWB or the Democrats could change their minds.
 
Article 10 of the Mexican Constitution legalizes firearms ownership

Canadians (I'm one) can legally purchase firearms, though somewhat repressive in nature, we have no NFA, so we can own short shotguns if we get the right "hall pass" piece of paper from .GOV.CA...

How's the new Tavor?... well ask some of the other Canadians here...
 
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