Gun Owners Should Have Licenses

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Mommie!

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Well if the law abiding should have to have a license, then criminals should have to have licenses too!

*sigh*


Somewhere in Americana is a six lane freeway missing a brain the size of a BB...
 
A driver's license allows me to OPERATE, not OWN, a vehicle. When a license for a gun allows me to OPERATE it in the public sphere without impediment, I'll consider it.

For about five minutes.

jm
 
I would not consider someone who thinks like that to be a friend of mine.

I would remind him it's the Bill of RIGHTS.

Driving is NOT a right. Owning a weapon IS a right. There's America 101 in a nutshell.
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Freakshow10mm:
"I would not consider someone who thinks like that to be a friend of mine. I would remind him it's the Bill of RIGHTS. Driving is NOT a right. Owning a weapon IS a right. There's America 101 in a nutshell."

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I couldn't disagree with that sentiment more. I have so many friends that disagree with me on a multitude of issues. I think it's extremely insular to keep a coterie of yes men surrounding you. I've found that most people are not defined by their political or legislative opinions. I am friends with people on the left, the right, and the center of the political spectrum.
 
Army ROTC was pretty big at most high schools when I was growing up. Fire arm handling, use, shooting were par for the course ... sorta like wood shop and auto mechanics.

In the 60's I was stationed at an Air Force Base in California. I was on the base small bore rifle team. We practiced at the local high school indoor shooting range at night, and on rainy days. The range in that high school was a carry over of the Army ROTC program that was once there.

I'm thinking there might be only 1 high school ROTC program left in the area, and it is Air Force ROTC. Those boys & girls practice with wooden toy rifles. In my day, we used M1 Garands and M1 Carbines for training.

Maybe this country needs to get back to that set of values ... the ones that set this country apart and made it more than just a global power.
 
Well the previous ~50 posts already summed it up for our buddy, so I have nothing else to add.

I agree with pretty much what everyone else has said...Now, I'm not all that familiar with the laws of driving automobiles on my own property before getting a DL(my treehouse got in the way:p), but people keep talking about how you can "own" a car before getting a license...But don't you need a license to use it? What good would a firearm be that you couldn't legally use in case of an emergency?

Like I said before, I loves me guns and I guess I'm playing a bit of devils advocate, but no one has really addressed the issue(that, or I skipped over it:))

Mommie!

<points>

Well if the law abiding should have to have a license, then criminals should have to have licenses too!

*sigh*


Somewhere in Americana is a six lane freeway missing a brain the size of a BB...
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Now that's funny.
 
The problem is that the intent of Israeli and Swiss gun ownership is that both are intended to fight foreign enemies. Our Forefathers realized that sometimes you have to fight domestic enemies as well. It is clear that the intent of our 2nd Amendment is to resist invasion as well as tyranny. So why in the h3ll would you want to be licensed by a potential enemy? I'm not at all saying that the government would get so bad in our lifetimes that there would be some kind of uprising but the Forefathers' intent is clear. Being licensed would be like asking Iran for permission to buy an Abrams.
 
If we are going to have licensing for everything shouldn't politicians have to have a license ? After all they write laws that effect every single aspect of peoples lives , shouldn't they have to prove that they at least understand all of the laws already on the books ?

Do they even understand the Constitution ? Many would say Obviously NOT when it comes to so many trying to restrict our Second Amendment Rights .

As far as it being an out dated Amendment with 20,000+ murders every year plus all of the other violent crimes that could lead to murder the Second is one of the least "Outdated" Amendments .

Anyone that acknowledges we as citizens have the right to Life , Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness then they are admitting the Right of self Preservation , in other words self defense from bodily harm from a criminal .

What more effective way to defend ones self from a younger more powerful attacker or even multiple attackers than with a firearm ?
 
G'day everyone,.....As someone who lives under as system that requires ME to be licenced to own a firearm I would just like to say:1) A licence is just another means of control,it lets the goverment know who has firearms and where to get them.2) A licence is'nt a right,its always a privalige and that can be taken away at any time.3) Licences are just a revenue raiseing system,... if thay were used to determin who was alowed to have a firearm,then whats your NICS system for then?4) As things stand,..YOU have a RIGHT acnollaged
 
Talk a good game

A lot of people talk a good game.....very few place themselves in harms way to do something about it. I chose my profession and can oversee those in my charge DO NOT trample on peoples rights, without answering for it. All this talk about teaching ROTC in schools and shooting in schools, there are some schools that still have shooting teams. All of the teams I know about are shotgun sports, and small bore rifle. Here is my challenge to some of you. Most states have a program that a person can apply for that in a nutshell works like this. If you apply to the state to be a Teacher the State will pay for your education on the pretense that after you finish the required education requirements, you will agree to stay on as a teacher in thats states public school system for a pre-determined amount of time. If you fill the schools with good solid rational thinking (like 99% of firearms owners)
teachers then YOU can change things. The teachers and teachers unions and teachers associations are the people that change school policy and they are the ones that change students minds.

So stop being selfish jump in the water and do something about it. A lot of you are like me you are a Veterans, I know some people who think well I done my part let someone else do theirs. Well people are not picking up the slack so I think we each should. I am still doiing my part, why do you be a teacher and do yours.
 
Tell him it is a great idea. Everyone can get one after a simple test, and it is good anywhere, any time, for any type of gun.
 
Fletcher wrote, "I would propose this idea to him - How about we have a mandatory course in public school on firearm safety and use? That seems to meet the training requirement, although not as in-depth. As for the amending, there's a process for that. Until that time, we still have the 2A as written."

The Brady Campaign would not like that, because it would show that safety training is an effective way to reduce accidents. That would damage their arguments for banning guns.
 
People should have to pass a test similar to the Driver's Exam and be checked out by some basic training course before they can own a gun. Other countries may have widespread gun ownership, like Israel and Switzerland, but most of those gun owners have undergone mandatory military training. Open gun ownership is a holdover from the cowboy settler days and is no longer as relevant. The bill of rights is open to further amendment.
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Yes, the bill of rights is open to further amendments, and removal of existing amendments. If he can get the 2nd amendmant removed, then licencing would be equal. Until then, you no more need a licence to own a gun than you do to speak, or pray, or have your day in court.

Here's what I like to say. Everyone who votes should have to go through the same "instant check" as gunbuyers do.

watch him light up then!
 
People should have to pass a test similar to the Driver's Exam and be checked out by some basic training course before they can own a gun.
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And why not? Having a driver's license is proof that you are a continually safe driver. You don't have a right to safely conduct yourself on roads you helped pay for. The individuals in government give you the right to safely drive on roads. You can walk wherever you want.

Similarly, with self-defense, you don't have a right to defend yourself with the best means in existence. A majority of a population have to say that you can defend yourself with the best means in existence. You have the right to use your fists until the majority says otherwise. Don't like it? Move to China. This is how we do things here.

-Sans Authoritas
 
I actually have no issue with needing a license to get a gun as long as anyone can get the license. I grew up needing one, and it never stopped me from getting a firearm I wanted. I would care how it was set up though. Basically I wouldn't mind seeing this. As long as the governement only tracked who had a license and not what they owned (don't see that actually happening) and the database was open to all dealers. The dealer would only have to check the database to see if your license was still valid (dont we already do this in the form of an instant background check) and off you go. Also, all dealers would have to be able to issue a license upon passing a test (if you choose to not take the course, shouldn't be super difficult as gun safety is actually pretty common sense) as long as you aren't banned from getting a license (felony, underage, etc... basically anything that would disqualify you now). In other words, the license would just be a piece of paper, and all other requirements would be the same as now. Any other additional requirements I would oppose very boistrously.


Requirements for license:
Take a gun safety class or pass a standard test, and pass an instant background check.
 
As usual, LawDog has had something intelligent to say about this:

http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2007/04/we-license-cars-yackyackyack.html

"I see that the gun grabbers have resurrected the old "We license cars, so why can't we license guns?" meme.

I tell you what -- every time you hear a gun grabber snivel about licensing guns like cars, call him a liar to his face.

I would absolutely love to license guns just like we do cars and drivers -- for the same reason that every gun grabber who suggests it is lying through his or her snaggle teeth.

Think about it.

We give a drivers license to every seventeen-year-old high school student who can pass a lowest-common-denominator Drivers Ed course. A course that can be successfully passed by a lobotomized chimpanzee.

In a large percentage of cases, we give drivers licenses to 16 year-old kids who state that they have a particular hardship.

Tell me, Mr or Ms. Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll give a gun license to every 17 year-old who wants one -- just like a drivers license.

You're a liar.

Any person who possesses a drivers license can drive on any public road on any state in the Union. They can drive on school grounds, they can drive on college campuses, and they can drive to any courthouse in the Union.

Tell me, Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let anyone with a gun license carry a gun anywhere they want to, in every State in the Union -- just like a drivers license.

You're a liar.

Drivers licenses issued by one State must be honoured by all other States. Anyone with a Texas Drivers License can drive any car he (or she) wants to, anywhere in New York City that he can fit. And the New York authorities don't have a thing to say about the matter.

Tell me, Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let any 17 year-old cowboy from Bugscuffle, West Texas carry his gun anywhere he wants to in New York and tell the New York authorities they can't do anything about it -- just like a drivers license.

You're a liar.

If you get caught driving a car without your drivers license, you get a $90 traffic ticket that comes off your record in three years.

Tell me that you want to license guns just like cars. Tell me that if that Texas cowpoke is visiting Chicago, and gets caught carrying his gun without his license, he gets a traffic citation -- just like a drivers license.

You're a liar.

No one must undergo a background check to get a license, any felon can get a drivers license, no mental checks are required for a drivers license.

Tell me again that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let everyone -- 17 to 70, felons, no mental checks, pay your money, take your test, here's your gun license -- just like a drivers license.

You're a liar.

If I'm on private property, I don't even need a driver license to drive any car I want to, the only limit to the number of cars I can possess is the size of my bank account, I can buy as many cars at once as my wallet can stand, and I can buy a car off a street corner in Compton today, another from a back-yard in New York tomorrow, I can import cars as many as a I want, from any country that I want, and I can sell or trade any or all of them to anyone I want -- and the Federal Government doesn't have word one to say about the matter.

I build any car I want to -- with no Federal permission; I can modify, cut-down, trick-out, customize or skeletonize any car I want to without so much as a "Yes", "No", "Boo", "Kiss my arse" or "By your leave" from the Federal Government.

Tell me, Mr or Ms. Gun Control, that you really want to treat guns just like cars. Tell me that your "gun license" that is "just like we license cars" will let us treat guns just exactly like we treat cars.

You are a damned liar.

LawDog"
 
May 17th, 2008, 09:52 AM #65
Sans Authoritas wrote:

People should have to pass a test similar to the Driver's Exam and be checked out by some basic training course before they can own a gun.
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And why not? Having a driver's license is proof that you are a continually safe driver. You don't have a right to safely conduct yourself on roads you helped pay for. The individuals in government give you the right to safely drive on roads. You can walk wherever you want.

Similarly, with self-defense, you don't have a right to defend yourself with the best means in existence. A majority of a population have to say that you can defend yourself with the best means in existence. You have the right to use your fists until the majority says otherwise. Don't like it? Move to China. This is how we do things here.

-Sans Authoritas
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Sans do I get permission from you as to what constitutes 'Best means' ?

I'm disabled and there are an infinate number of disabilities. Does each disabled American have the right to self defense, the best self defense they can muster ?

I'm actually stunned that you would deny me the best defense I can come up with to defend my poor old disabled body. I think it odd that my life would depend upon a majority vote. I do not like your view on this matter.
 
Driving is a privilege, not a right enshrined in the constitution, as gun ownership is.
 
A majority of a population have to say that you can defend yourself with the best means in existence.
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The constitution's amendments aren't based on majority rule. If they were, we could just choose to ignore those pesky little things like the 13th amendment with a majority vote.


Similarly, with self-defense, you don't have a right to defend yourself with the best means in existence
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Per the US constitution, we don't have a right to defend ourselves at all. However, we do have the right to keep and bear arms.
 
Gun licensing actually IS rather like car licensing, IIRC.

You don't need a driver's license to own a car, or drive it on private property. You need a license to drive it out in public.

Similarly, you don't need a license to own a firearm, or keep it in your house, car (in some places), or take it to the range -- but you need a CHL to carry it in public.
 
You don't need to pass a test to own a car.

You need a license to drive it.

The right to own a car is not in the Constitution.

The right to publish a newspaper is, and you don't need a newspaper publishing license.
 
I would tell him that a license is government permission slip and is usually bought and expires.
 
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