CAPTAIN MIKE
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Looking at the remaining major candidates for President of the United States, what are the specific positions of each as to (A) Ownership of Firearms and (B) Concealed Carry?
Gun Positions of Major Candidates for President
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stubob2517
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I'm no expert but it appears to me that all of them, even the Republican, are against ownership without a large increase in control much less concealed carry. Here is a link to GOA that covers the high points:
http://gunowners.org/pres08/
http://gunowners.org/pres08/
fantacmet
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As it stands pretty much every candidate except for Ron Paul supports expansion and reinstatement of the brady bill.
Check these links out.
http://oregonfirearms.org/President2008.html
http://nationalgunrights.org/POTUS/
Perhaps the most important link of all.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Background_Gun_Control.htm
Check these links out.
http://oregonfirearms.org/President2008.html
http://nationalgunrights.org/POTUS/
Perhaps the most important link of all.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Background_Gun_Control.htm
Guitargod1985
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Well, Huckabee is an avid supporter of gun rights, as is Ron Paul. I believe Huckabee even has a carry permit.
But as far as the front runners go, they are all pretty bad.
Obama has overtly stated that he wishes to ban concealed carry and eliminate the sale of all semiautomatics.
Hillary isn't far behind, but has not been quoted (to my knowledge) as advocating elimination of concealed carry - although I'm sure she would if she could get away with it. She's more of the proverbial serpent using deceit and outright lies to further her agenda, whereas Obama comes right out and says it.
McCain does whatever suits him at the moment. He doesn't stand for anything. He possesses little in the way of principles and everything in regard to compomise.
They are all bad.
But as far as the front runners go, they are all pretty bad.
Obama has overtly stated that he wishes to ban concealed carry and eliminate the sale of all semiautomatics.
Hillary isn't far behind, but has not been quoted (to my knowledge) as advocating elimination of concealed carry - although I'm sure she would if she could get away with it. She's more of the proverbial serpent using deceit and outright lies to further her agenda, whereas Obama comes right out and says it.
McCain does whatever suits him at the moment. He doesn't stand for anything. He possesses little in the way of principles and everything in regard to compomise.
They are all bad.
Winchester 73
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But some are badder than others.
I'm voting for the bad McCain.
American Conservative Union(ACU) Life Ratings:
McCain 83
Clinton 9
Obama 8
Check here:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html
My personal rating from best to worse will be:
The last too are not acceptable alternatives so let's hope we do not end up with either of them in the White House.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html
My personal rating from best to worse will be:
- Mike Huckabee
- Ron Paul
- McCain
- Clinton
- Obama
The last too are not acceptable alternatives so let's hope we do not end up with either of them in the White House.
Ragnar Danneskjold
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My list from best to worst is
1: Fred Thompson
2: Ron Paul
3-The rest: wait for 2012
1: Fred Thompson
2: Ron Paul
3-The rest: wait for 2012
Cooperdisciple
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Stop picking on Hillary. She's a hunter. And she once shot a duck. Really, she said so.
LawBot5000
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- Ron Paul was great in principle but ineffective, perfect being the enemy of the good, etc.
- Huckabee is good, but I don't think electable. I also think his policies on taxation and spending are pretty bad.
- McCain has done some bad things over the years (McCain Feingold, being suckered by that stupid gun show loophole thing) but overall he has made good calls on behalf of gun owners. He opposed the original assault weapons ban back when gun control was a very strong political fad.
And I don't see McCain Feingold as hostility towards us so much as gullibility about what exactly the law did and whether it was constitutional. I think we will have to watch McCain and apply heat to him when appropriate, but he will be much easier to work with than someone openly hostile to conservatives.... - Obama is a former Joyce board member, has tried to get the most draconian anti-gun laws in the history of the country passed and is a die hard authoritarian. This guy will pull out every stop in DOJ litigation, ATF rulemaking and adjudication and helping cities get information to get around PLCAA. He will go way out of his way to screw gun owners over.
- Hillary has been a less vocal proponent of banning guns, but her actions show that she is one of our most dedicated enemies. Even when her and Bill both saw the writing on the wall in the late 90s, she was still working with the cities to help them file lawsuits against gun manufacturers. Expect more of the same.
From Hillary and Obama, I expect renewed ATF attempts to:
-drive more FFLs out of business and prevent new ones from being started
-ban anything popular, especially anything imported
-find pretexts to retain NICS data
-find pretexts to distribute trace, NICS and any other data to anti-gun organizations and anti-gun local governments
-find ways to undermine PLCAA or help local governments to challenge it
And this is just what I could come up with in 30 seconds of thinking.
Ok, I'll get roasted for this, but here is a thought. Perhaps Hillary is actually the least worst of the top contenders. Why?
Obama of course is the worst of the three. He would accelerate gun laws and bans.
McCain, while nominally a conservative, takes unusual delight in doing the unpredictable when it comes to being a conservative. He has repeatedly bent over backwards to accommodate liberal agendas. If it will piss off the conservative base then he is more likely to do it!
Clinton, while anti-gun is ambitious enough to at least be sensitive to the prevailing winds, if the winds be strong enough. I think she could be discouraged from pushing gunn laws if it was made clear enough to her what the voting consequences would be. Mccain on the other hand might just
take that pressure as a sign he should jump on the gun ban bandwagon whole hog. He is a fruitcake.
I' not voting for any of these whackos.
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Obama of course is the worst of the three. He would accelerate gun laws and bans.
McCain, while nominally a conservative, takes unusual delight in doing the unpredictable when it comes to being a conservative. He has repeatedly bent over backwards to accommodate liberal agendas. If it will piss off the conservative base then he is more likely to do it!
Clinton, while anti-gun is ambitious enough to at least be sensitive to the prevailing winds, if the winds be strong enough. I think she could be discouraged from pushing gunn laws if it was made clear enough to her what the voting consequences would be. Mccain on the other hand might just
take that pressure as a sign he should jump on the gun ban bandwagon whole hog. He is a fruitcake.
I' not voting for any of these whackos.
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Hmm...
I might get flamed for what I am about to say, but it is my opinion.
After looking at the recent rash of shooting sprees, I do think that we need a better system to prevent guns from getting in the hands of irresponsible and unstable people. Gun ownership is a right protected by the bill of rights, and it is a right that I choose to excercise, but let's face it, not everyone is fit to own guns. Gun ownership is a very serious responsibility. Guns can be a lot of fun, but as gun owners, we should always maintain a healthy level of respect for what guns can do if I am not careful with them. Guns are not toys.
My brother lives in South Carolina. My brother's best friend was shot and killed by his own wife, after she had found that he was cheating on her. This woman loved her husband, but was well known for her short fuse and lack of control. My brother even told his friend, on several occasions, that he should lock up his ammo so she couldn't access it. My brother told me that his friend used to laugh about it, but my brother was very serious when he warned his friend about doing this. This is a woman that had a history of violence. She physically attacked her husband a few times, and did the same thing to her mom as well. This woman, and any person like her, should never, ever have access to guns. Other people recognized it, but her own husband didn't. The guy was a jerk, but his wife's lack of restraint probably sent him to hell, her to the prison, and her children to foster care.
I would strongly support better, smarter gun control. Even if it meant that it inconvenienced me a little. There is a good chance that guns might one day be completely banned if more of these insane jerks continue with these shooting sprees. Every time something like this happens, the anti-gun crowd has fuel for their political agenda.
I feel bad for the victims and their families. It makes me angry, and I think that Better gun control might curb some of this nonsense. I would rather give up some of my liberties, if it would mean that lives would be saved. I'd also freely give up some of those rights, rather than have them all removed.
I don't think that concealed or even open carry should ever be removed. Concealed carry protects women from rapists and murderers. Taking concealed carry rights from honest people is just insane.
I also think that people defending themselves from criminals in their homes should be protected better. It also pisses me off that the people that have intent to harm people are more protected than the people that they want to use and abuse. If some tries to kill me or my wife, and I don't roll over and let them do it, some idiot lawyer is bound to show up with a lawsuit over the use of excessive force. The lawyer would find an anti-gun jury and I'd get sued over it. If someone breaks into your home and threatens your life, you should be able to protect yourself without having people second guess your actions from the comfort of a court room. This is just so damn stupid. I don't have any brilliant ideas, but I recognize that this country has some really ignorant, uninformed people behind most of the gun-related legislation.
I might get flamed for what I am about to say, but it is my opinion.
After looking at the recent rash of shooting sprees, I do think that we need a better system to prevent guns from getting in the hands of irresponsible and unstable people. Gun ownership is a right protected by the bill of rights, and it is a right that I choose to excercise, but let's face it, not everyone is fit to own guns. Gun ownership is a very serious responsibility. Guns can be a lot of fun, but as gun owners, we should always maintain a healthy level of respect for what guns can do if I am not careful with them. Guns are not toys.
My brother lives in South Carolina. My brother's best friend was shot and killed by his own wife, after she had found that he was cheating on her. This woman loved her husband, but was well known for her short fuse and lack of control. My brother even told his friend, on several occasions, that he should lock up his ammo so she couldn't access it. My brother told me that his friend used to laugh about it, but my brother was very serious when he warned his friend about doing this. This is a woman that had a history of violence. She physically attacked her husband a few times, and did the same thing to her mom as well. This woman, and any person like her, should never, ever have access to guns. Other people recognized it, but her own husband didn't. The guy was a jerk, but his wife's lack of restraint probably sent him to hell, her to the prison, and her children to foster care.
I would strongly support better, smarter gun control. Even if it meant that it inconvenienced me a little. There is a good chance that guns might one day be completely banned if more of these insane jerks continue with these shooting sprees. Every time something like this happens, the anti-gun crowd has fuel for their political agenda.
I feel bad for the victims and their families. It makes me angry, and I think that Better gun control might curb some of this nonsense. I would rather give up some of my liberties, if it would mean that lives would be saved. I'd also freely give up some of those rights, rather than have them all removed.
I don't think that concealed or even open carry should ever be removed. Concealed carry protects women from rapists and murderers. Taking concealed carry rights from honest people is just insane.
I also think that people defending themselves from criminals in their homes should be protected better. It also pisses me off that the people that have intent to harm people are more protected than the people that they want to use and abuse. If some tries to kill me or my wife, and I don't roll over and let them do it, some idiot lawyer is bound to show up with a lawsuit over the use of excessive force. The lawyer would find an anti-gun jury and I'd get sued over it. If someone breaks into your home and threatens your life, you should be able to protect yourself without having people second guess your actions from the comfort of a court room. This is just so damn stupid. I don't have any brilliant ideas, but I recognize that this country has some really ignorant, uninformed people behind most of the gun-related legislation.
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No flame here, but...
Been there, done that. The only way to keep bad people from owning firearms is to get rid of them entirely, which is impossible. Bad guys will always seek to outgun the good guys, and they don't let little ol' laws get in their way. After all, none of the shootings were legal, were they?
There's no such thing as a 'reasonable' gun law that would go no further. They'll be stepping stones to more and more legislation, no matter how well-intentioned they are when written. Control freaks just don't work that way.
If nobody provided convenient fuel for the anti-gunners, I'm sure they'd have something arranged.
Been there, done that. The only way to keep bad people from owning firearms is to get rid of them entirely, which is impossible. Bad guys will always seek to outgun the good guys, and they don't let little ol' laws get in their way. After all, none of the shootings were legal, were they?
There's no such thing as a 'reasonable' gun law that would go no further. They'll be stepping stones to more and more legislation, no matter how well-intentioned they are when written. Control freaks just don't work that way.
If nobody provided convenient fuel for the anti-gunners, I'm sure they'd have something arranged.
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