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The Parable of the Empty Holster:
Civil Rights and Social Change
by David Rostcheck
Executive Director, North Bridge Training Institute
www.northbridgetraining.com

January 14, 2003

Gun owners are fond of saying, correctly, that gun rights are civil rights. But if we are a civil rights movement, we are not a very good one. The favored tools of the civil rights movement - those effective tools that have allowed minorities to change the hearts and minds of the majority around them - are tools that the gun rights movement does not now know how to use. Let me illustrate with a true tale of two activist conferences:

I once went to a national gun rights activist conference held in a western state where open carry was legal, and concealed carry required a license. However, the conference hotel managers had decided to ban open carry in the hotel. Unsuspecting conference attendees entering the hotel carrying their lawfully exposed firearms were set upon by hotel employees, who told them to leave their firearms in their room or turn around and leave. The gun rights conference attendees then wandered around, disoriented, with empty holsters. The conference management sheepishly defended the hotel's actions, noting that the hotel was private property and its owners could ban exposed firearms if they so chose.

I once attended a different national conference, this one for sexual minority activists. One night a local cross-dresser (who had nothing to do with the conference) was assaulted by bottle-wielding drunks two blocks away while waiting for the bus. The police officer responding refused scornfully to take a report.

In a few hours, bullhorn-wielding conference leaders lead the entire conference assembly of four hundred to march chanting down to the police station. There they stood stomping and yelling, making an awesome sound. The police liaison officer emerged, apologized profusely, insisted that the offending officer would be disciplined, and affirmed that all citizens had a right to due process and equal protection under the law.

The second conference's attendees were not prepared to countenance any infringement of their rights - or of anyone else's. They were prepared to act ornery, to make a ruckus, to speak out. Most of what we think of as "traditional" civil rights groups represent a small minority of society, who would never win at the polls by themselves. However, they are all committed to social change - to actively changing the way society thinks about their population, through slow but ceaseless advocacy in any public forum they can get.

Imagine, for a moment, what would happen if the first conference's attendees and management had behaved with similar resolve. But, traditionally most gun rights groups have focused on legislative or judicial action. We do not see ourselves as social change activists, empowered to resist against and alter a society that oppresses our rights. Thus, despite our tremendous numbers, a few well-trained media activists easily steamroll our freedoms.

Gun controllers unquestionably see themselves as a social change movement. They demonize guns to create fear and loathing of guns and gunowners in the general public, then roll back rights with legislation. They take a long-term view, working to change the media and the schools so that gun owners are reviled. When they change the culture, the legislators and judges inevitably follow.

But where are our media advocates? Where is our influence in education? Our resources dwarf those of our opponents, but we do not know how to use them. Large pro-gun-rights organizations are reluctant to engage in social change activism; they are often late to the game and unprepared for the battle. Even in high-profile incidents like the Maryland sniper, the NRA absents itself from public debate, referring inquiries to law enforcement. Until we fully enter the battle for the hearts and minds of the public, we will continue to be demonized and targeted.

It is for this purpose that I created the CounterAttack conference, happening soon in Dallas this February 8-9. At CounterAttack, we will start changing the game, by training gun owners to fight and win in any political terrain they are given. California activist Jim March shut down the Million March by exposing their illegal use of tax funding for gun control politics. He will be there training others in how he did it. Clayton E. Cramer, who debunked the book "Arming America", will give a keynote address. Suzanna Hupp, who pushed through Texas' CHL law after being caught in a mass shooting, will give a welcome speech. Other speakers include Rick Stanley, founder of the Bill of Rights Rallies, who was arrested for civil disobedience opposing Denver's gun ban, and proposed the Million Gun March. Kenn Blanchard, security expert, author of "Black Man With A Gun", and founder of the African-American "Tenth Cavalry Gun Club", will also speak. And we did not neglect the social side - a machine gun shoot outing on Saturday night will give attendees a chance to shoot with friends.

But the real heart of CounterAttack is the training workshops, where the activists who make headlines on KABA can show others how to do what they do. Our high-powered instructor list includes the speakers above, plus KeepAndBearArms.com founder Angel Shamaya, Canadian NFA Director Jim Hinter, media firearms trainer Michael Bane, and a cast of other skilled activists. If your rights are really precious to you, shouldn't you learn how to protect them effectively? If you don't, who will?

And right now, thanks the the imploding economy, we've been able to negotiate a package whose value you're just never going to see again, and certainly never with a lineup like this. The conference fee (currently $99 during our limited-time promotion) includes two breakfasts and Saturday dinner, plus all speakers and workshops. You can stay at the first-rate conference hotel, the Crowne Plaza, for just over $62/night - and this hotel committed in writing, with contractual penalties, to respect the rights of concealed carry by lawful citizens. We have a promotional rate with American Airlines if you want to fly. Dallas is probably warmer than where you are, and the DFW Metroplex has an enormous amount to do - take some extra days for vacation, see first-class speakers, get top rate training in political self defense that you can't get anywhere else, and come shoot machine guns besides. No one is going to beat that deal. But it's coming up quickly - so go to www.northbridgetraining.com/counterattack2003 and book it now!

The people who take your rights away cannot stand against an organized, trained field of gun owners. Haven't you lost enough of your freedom? Stop wearing your empty holster - CounterAttack and take back your rights. Find out how much fun it is to win! There's little time left, so don't delay - we'll save a seat for you and keep a machine gun ready for you when the day is done. We'll see you in Dallas!

For more info and registration, see http://www.northbridgetraining.com/counterattack2003


EDIT: I assume the Jim March in the article is THR's Jim March?:)
 
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Texas does NOT allow open carry, therefore the hotel can't - not won't, CAN'T. The hotel will allow CCW though.

Folks, if you can make this, do so. There's more to it than just the seminars, there's the chance to talk to people face to face and learn things that just can't be put out over the Internet.

If ALL you do is hang out online you don't know the full scope of what's going on. Trust me on this. THR people I know will get dragged to meetings with "heavy players" at dinner, at the shooting range, and you'll learn things you flat can't find out online.

If you're anywhere near Texas, you need to make this if you possibly can.

February 8th and 9th.

I'll be doing a training session on public records usage, based on my experience with the Million Mom March affair and various CCW investigations.

I will also be one of a three-person panel on the use of gun control racism as a reform tool - that one will feature myself, Clayton Cramer and Kenn Blanchard, plus we'll be taking audience comments/questions.

Oh ya: if you don't have carry rights in Texas, the knife rules in that state allow carry (concealed or open) of anything with a blade length of 5.45" or less. Double-edge is NOT allowed, ditto switchblades, but other than that it can be a folder or fixed blade. Length is measured based on stabbing penetration length versus cutting edge length. That's what I'll be packin'.

If you can make this event based on hearing about it on THR, PLEASE POST THAT TO THIS THREAD. Trust me, there's a good reason for it :).

GO HERE for more info and signup instructions:

http://www.northbridgetraining.com/counterattack2003/

...and post here that you're doing it!
 
That's some fairly impressive company that you'll be with Jim, wish I was closer to come add one or two or more to the total there.

Greg
 
bad zookeeping

I once went to a national gun rights activist conference held in a western state where open carry was legal, and concealed carry required a license. However, the conference hotel managers had decided to ban open carry in the hotel. [snip] The conference management sheepishly defended the hotel's actions, noting that the hotel was private property and its owners could ban exposed firearms if they so chose.
Who scheduled the conference at that hotel, made all the arrangements, paid all the up-front money, without once asking the hotel its policy on open carry?
 
Let's try again, shall we? THIS conference is in Texas.

There's no such thing as legal open carry in Texas. By state law. Not in that hotel, not on the street. That's not the hotel's fault, it's the state.

The author of the piece was talking about a different legal climate in a DIFFERENT state.

Got it?
 
Well, I gotta work. :cuss:

No way for me to get out of it, either. It's right in the middle of a shift change, and I don't have that much vacation time this time of year.

Be looking here for updates/announcements, though.
 
I think I'll be there.

I have never went to something like this before. But I'm afraid if I don't, I'll end up like the folks in Canada. Making speaches on the steps of the courthouse, the day AFTER the laws go into effect.

See ya there!
 
I'll see if I can take some time off for this one.

LawDog
 
LAWDOGGY! God, I *hope* you can make it.

Hey, you wanna tell any of The Tales in person? Before the whole crowd? How much you wanna bet they'd be eager to give you at least 15 minutes right after one of the keynote speakers?

Something else: Nualle and I talked in private, and it's clear he was NOT referring to the Dallas hotel where we'll be meeting, but rather the hotel in the anecdote David Rostcheck gave in the original article. So I'm very sorry for the tone I used.

That brings up the point "why Dallas?". Northbridge is in Texas, and it makes sense to keep their costs as low as possible. Plus it's reasonably central to the whole country, and an easy transit hub to get to. Open carry would have been a nice bonus but isn't critical.

Good news for me is that when REKAT knives and I were designing the Sifu, we picked a 5.45" blade length specifically to stay inside of the Texas limit, as REKAT was concerned that a 6" piece (my original proposal) would be a "California only" thing. I'm now glad that I lost that particular debate :D.
 
Actually, the hotel could allow open carry if they wanted. I don't see them doing so but it is private property and they could allow it.

Just like I allow it at home...............................................
 
Two problems: the hotel lobby and conference areas are probably considered "public spaces" under TX law, and hence open carry is illegal.

Even if that's not an issue, people in TX often know that open carry is banned, and sure as heck aren't used to seeing it the way they are in AZ or whatever, and freakouts would seem likely. So if the hotel in *Texas* took issue with open carry, it'd be more reasonable than to do so in an open-carry state.

But I'll betcha it'd be illegal in any case, regardless of the hotel management's wishes. For the moment, it's enough that the hotel has promised to support TX's CCW laws.
 
IIRC, Texas permits open carry of long guns.

Consider the story this thread opened with...then contrast it with the "no open carry" participants will be submitting to - considering the irony, how serious is this conference supposed to be?
 
Jim, I would love to make it out there and have considered it. Logistically however, it's not a trip I can make. I think that they need to have another in about six months over here on the left coast.
 
I agree with KMKeller!!

A gun rights conference held on the West Coast would draw a high number gun rights advocates that cannot make the Texas shindig. I would bet that if it were held in California, and the word was put out well ahead of time, people would show up in droves. I would just love to stick a thumb in the eye of the socialists in Sacramento :neener:. If any states gunnys need help in getting organized, it is those in California. Especially with Gray (socialist agenda) Davis in charge.

It would also be a great kick off for Michael Pelletier’s effort to put an Amendment to the California Constitution, on the next ballot, which guarantees our right to bare arms. For those that do not know, California is one of only 6 states that do not have this guarantee in their state constitution. It would really help spread the word.

Jim, how can we make this happen? :D

Mike Allen
 
This is the first I've heard about it. Would have been nice to know about 3 or 4 months ago for planning purposes. As it is, there's no way I'd be able to make it. Wish I could be there.

I wish you all the best of luck though! Go get 'em!
 
Hey, it's David Rostcheck, conference organizer. Thanks very
much to Jim for helping get the word out! A couple of things:

- regarding promotion, we've actually done a lot of it but
this being the first year we're finding out who reads what.
We've had about 7-8 press releases up on KABA and
FirearmsNews over the last 7 months or so, and we've got
some ads on KABA, ar15.com, and SierraTimes. Some things
work better, some worse; we'll see if we can tune it better
next time around!

- regarding CCW - the law in Texas has fundamentally
different presumptions than the law in other states. On the
one hand, your right to keep and bear arms is strongly
protected in the state constitution. On the other hand, the
constitution gives the Legislature specific power to regulate
how you wear them, with the intent to minimize crime.
The legislature has specifically decided that lawful carry in
Texas is *concealed* carry, so that criminals do not know
who is armed.

You have the right (and requirement) to carry handguns
*concealed*, and that presumption goes through all
the law. Technically, everyone from more than two counties
away, or who sleeps at the conference overnight, is
"travelling", a Texas exemption that allows carry. It's
an affirmative defense, which means it has to be brought up
in court, so it's not something you want to have to use, but
if you ever were to be charged with carrying a weapon that
would be your legal shield. However, the real crime you could
be charged with is not having a gun, it's "Willful failure to
conceal a firearm" by having it visible in a public space. Texas
works very differently that other places - you *do* have a right
to be armed but you have to exercise it correctly. If you
think of the gun as your genitals, you'll have a good
understanding of how Texas authorities view it. They respect
your right to have it, if you show it in public, they'll think
you're a yahoo and cite you. It's a Texan thing.

You can carry openly at DFW Gun range on Saturday night,
because we were able to rent the entire thing and exclude
all non-conferencegoers. As Jim noted, the hotel has spaces
that are considered public; it can't be made open-carry legit
under Texas law. However, this hotel is so CHL-friendly that
it signed a contractual agreement, with financial penalties,
saying it will not prohibit lawful (in Texas, concealed) carry.
The hotel can't change the Constitution though, and it's not
really broken when you understand how it works.

You can also carry a rifle or shotgun in a vehicle, loaded, within
reach. Or a machine gun, if you have the form 4, I believe.

There it is!

- Register! I like it when you register, it lets me figure out
space and meals and such. You don't have to send in the
money immediately, but if you want the $99 rate you need
to call us or get in the computer by Friday. Here's the link
http://www.northbridgetraining.com/cgi-bin/registration

Thanks, everyone!
 
I am attending, based upon hearing about it here on THR. I still would have found out about it this last weekend, though, at a FR meeting. One of the members is a Second Amendment Sister who will be working their booth at the conference. She walked into the meeting all excited about something she wanted to tell us. I asked if it was Counterattack 2003. Yep. Well, I already got printouts of all the information to hand out to everyone.

;)
 
1150 miles....a tad too far for me.

I've been saying this for YEARS. Be loud, forceful, rub our enemies' noses in the fact that we aren't going away. The NRA has wussed out by "compromising," meaning they keep giving things away and not getting anything in return. The local rep here says he "doesn't see any point" in filing lawsuits we can't win against Brady, et al.

Odd...they can't win theirs, but they keep trying.

Note that one of the "Study centers" that researched "cults" was shut down, then BOUGHT OUT during bankruptcy proceedings, by the Scientologists, who simply filed lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit until the center shut down from overload.

We outnumber them. We can do the same.

And don't forget politicians--if they're busy trying to prevent a lawsuit for conspiracy to violate civil rights or other such, they aren't running a campaign.

It's a sad day when we can't get 200 people to show up for a march on Washington...and that's every day.

mike

SARAH BRADY'S BIRTHDAY IS FEBRUARY 6TH! CELEBRATE BY BUYING A GUN.
 
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