gun safety message after 24

[Ridgeway]

For those whom missed it, following tonights episode of 24, was a gun safety message, delievered by keifer sutherland- essentially sayng despite guns being used in the show always keep guns locked and unloaded...interesting...not quite sure what to make of it one way or another...

 

[Mark Tyson]

What good is an unloaded gun?

But then again, this does not sound as bad as some of the crap I would expect from Hollywood. Maybe they realize that a lot of people own guns and are not willing to part with them.

 

[Devonai]

The site that sponsored this message is Americans for Gun Safety, founded by Monster.com's Andrew McKelvey. They bill themselves as a "moderate," "non-partisan" group for "sensible" gun control laws. In other words, they're just as bad as any other gun control group. This seriously ticks me off as 24 was, up until this point, one of my favorite shows.

 

[Harry Tuttle]

whats odd is Kiefer said
"please contact the organization shown on your screen for more information"

maybe next week it will be the NRA

but i kinda doubt that

 

[Mark Tyson]

The NRA and the other pro gun groups have done more to promote gun safety than all these gun control advocates ever have.

 

[El Tejon]

Are we to unload and lock up our fire extinguishers as well.

A Hollywierd star, living in a gated community with armed guards and armed body guards, telling you uneducated serfs how to live? Imagine that?

 

[Cawdor]

Since the episode involved Russian roulette, it may have just been a CYA.

 

[MAKOwner]

Yeah, it was because of the roulette stuff, none of the other episodes have had that. Just an attempt to have a "responsible" message about guns after a big roulette scene...

 

[Gordon Fink]

Yeah, but Mark Tyson is right, which is why that PSA was so irritating.

~G. Fink

 

[winstonsmith]

Definitely a CYA. And don't blame Keifer, he just says what they tell him to say

 

[Billmanweh]

I'm not sure I see how this site is anti-gun.

"Guns are an important part of life in America."

"As Americans, we know that we can do more to promote gun safety and respect the rights of gun owners.

The Americans for Gun Safety Foundation is a not-for-profit organization that supports the rights of Americans who own firearms for sport, protection, and collection.

AGS Foundation is committed to educating Americans about gun rights and responsibilities—including responsible gun ownership, existing gun laws, and new policy options to help keep guns out of the hands of criminals and children."

sounds reasonable to me...

 

[Ebbtide]

I may not have heard it correctly, but I thought it was "always keep your firearms safely stored and locked", not "unloaded".

If anything, I thought the PSA was as Pro-Gun as you can get for network TV (but this if FOX, eh). It seemed to be an appropriate message, IMO.

 

[Andrew Rothman]

I'm not sure I see how this site is anti-gun.

Please see you opthamologist right away!

From the site: (http://ww2.americansforgunsafety.com/the_issues.asp)

the gun show loophole

Federal law requires background checks for all firearms sales at gun stores. But a loophole allows criminals, illegal aliens and even terrorists to walk into a gun show and purchase a gun without ever undergoing a background check. That means no ID, no questions asked. A bill sponsored by Senators McCain, Reed, DeWine and Lieberman would close this dangerous loophole.

The criminal background check system is our first line of defense against criminals purchasing guns, and yet in most states the background check system is seriously flawed. AGS has proposed several measures to fix this system.

Americans for Gun Safety Foundation Applauds Wal-Mart Move to Suspend Firearm Sales in California

...Now Wal-Mart has taken another positive step, suspending firearm sales in California....

Oh, they are anti-gun all right.

 

[Billmanweh]

I see it as being almost completely unbiased

if wal-mart can't comply with the appropriate state and federal gun laws, I agree that they need to take a break from selling firearms until they pull their heads out of their asses. how does it help the pro-gun cause for wal-mart to sell guns to people who can't pass a background check?


"Wal-Mart's corporate leadership once again is leading the way on responsible gun sales. Last year, Americans for Gun Safety Foundation (AGSF) asked Wal-Mart to agree not to transfer firearms to potential buyers until background checks are fully completed, despite the law that allows such transfers after three business days in most states. When we told Wal-Mart that they could inadvertently be arming criminals by making such transfers, they agreed to adopt the AGSF policy of "don't know, don't sell" - in other words, Wal-Mart will no longer transfer a gun until they receive notice from law enforcement that the buyer is approved. This was responsible gun sale policy at its finest."

"Now Wal-Mart has taken another positive step, suspending firearm sales in California, after being informed by Attorney General Bill Lockyer that his department had found numerous violations of state law in the way Wal-Mart employees were handling gun sales. We hope Wal-Mart is soon able to right itself and resume firearm sales in California in a manner fully consistent with state law. And we hope that other licensed gun sellers follow Wal-Mart's lead, by adopting the AGSF "don't know/don't sell" policy and by responding quickly and responsibly to demands from state and federal regulators to come into compliance with the laws regulating the sale of firearms."


again, what are we disagreeing with?

 

[Gunner45]

Yea, when I saw that, little red flags strarted to wave. It just didn't taste right.

Gunner45

 

[anapex]

I was pretty ticked when I saw this(24 is a favorite of mine) but after talking with my wife we agreed it probably was because of the roullete scene. Neither the previous shows in this season or the first two seasons had anything like this.

 

[peashooter]

At first I was "what the f---!" , but then after the scenes in the show, I didn't mind too much.
They do sling a lot of lead on 24. Still the best drama going .......for now.

 

[NJ3]

They also aired the "Viewer Discretion" message after every commercial break of last nights 24, something I don't recall seeing during other episodes. (I could be wrong) Maybe the Fox executives considered this particular 24 episode to be more "intense" than other episodes. I believe it was all just CYA.

 

[Oracle]

Kiefer Sutherland is a libertarian and is known to support gun rights. I seriously doubt this was anything other than a CYA by the network.

 

[Andrew Rothman]

again, what are we disagreeing with?

This group wants Wal Mart to EXCEED the legal requirements for CA.

There is a reason that after 3 days of no answer, it is presumed BY LAW to be "yes." It is to keep the feds from imposing unreasonable delays.

By demanding that the stores wait for an explicit "yes," they allow the feds to fiddle around while depriving the purchaser of his legal right to buy a gun.

 

[45R]

CYA.

 

[BerettaNut92]

Locked and unloaded = engage the safety on that 1911 and don't unload until you have proper sight alignment

 

[glocksman]

You want proof of AGS's bias?

Try this on:

While we oppose frivolous lawsuits of any kind, we disagree with the “findings†of the bill and do not view current law as threatening in any way to the existence of the firearms industry. In fact, this bill, in the guise of guarding 2nd Amendment rights, treats gun owners like second-class citizens. Gun owners will be denied the right to sue if they are sold a badly designed or improperly constructed product that injures them or their family members. Corrupt gun dealers will be given special protection under the law. And the worst actors in the business will get a free ride, which gives the entire firearms industry a black eye.

We oppose frivolous lawsuits against responsible gun makers, distributors and sellers, and we would not object to a more narrowly crafted bill to limit suits intended to harass or bankrupt those defendants. But S.659 is far too broad – it would sweep from the courthouse not only the junk suits, but injured gun owners with legitimate causes of action and plaintiffs bringing cases against the minority of irresponsible gun makers and dealers who deserve every legal sanction that can be brought

From here.

 

[Billmanweh]

Applauding (not demanding) wal-mart for exceeding the minimum regulations and selling guns only to buyers who pass a background check is anti-gun?

I guess I'm just not getting it..

 

[HarryB]

CYA move

In the 80's a station in Chicago aired "The Deer Hunter" uncut and the next morning several people in the viewing area were dead from self inflicted gunshots--apparently mimicing the tense Russian Roulette scenes.