Gun Shop Debuts Credit-Card-Sized Shotgun

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There is a photo of this little "shotgun" with the story...

http://www.wftv.com/news/3786870/detail.html

Gun Shop Debuts Credit-Card-Sized Shotgun

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MINNEAPOLIS -- In a new twist on the idea of concealed weapons, a local gun maker and gun shop are debuting a new type of firearm: one that could almost fit in your wallet.

A new twist on the idea of concealable weapons, the credit card-sized shotgun, is shown at Koscielski's Guns and Ammo, the only gun shop in Minneapolis.

It's a two-shot weapon made from a piece of metal the height and width of a standard credit card, and about a half-inch thick. Each barrel fires seven standard steel BBs. It will retail for $100.

"This I can see being the ultimate self-defense weapon," said Mark Koscielski, owner of Koscielski's Guns and Ammo, the only gun shop in Minneapolis.

Koscielski and Patrick Teel, who makes the guns in suburban Blaine at his company AFT Incorporated, gave The Associated Press a preview on Tuesday, a day before they planned to officially unveil the device.

They said the guns are meant to be used for close-range self-defense and wouldn't be effective as offensive weapons.

"They are very effective at five to 10 feet. They're absolutely useless at 20 feet," Teel said.

The credit card-sized shotgun is a muzzleloader, meaning it doesn't use shotgun shells. The user has to measure out some gunpowder, pour it in each barrel, drop seven BBs in each barrel, and tamp in a small wad of paper. A knob on one end serves as a safety, and two buttons set into a hole in the body are the electrical triggers. Each barrel fires with a loud pop.

Teel said the main value of the new gun is that it gives the owner a chance to get away from an attacker.

"This is no more deadly than a .22," Teel said. "But the difference is you have multiple wounds, which means you'll try to get away quicker, and it will cause more pain. ... There will be more blood, which the cops will be able to see."

The new guns don't count as firearms under federal regulations because they're muzzleloaders, Koscielski and Teel said. It's illegal to carry one without a permit for a concealed handgun, they said, and they both pledged not to sell them to anyone without valid identification and either a carry permit or a purchase permit.

Thirty-seven states have laws that require officials to issue concealed carry permits to qualified applicants and nine others have laws that give officials some discretion over whether someone gets a permit. Only Kansas, Illinois, Nebraska and Wisconsin lack a law allowing some form of concealed carrying of guns.

Koscielski was widely credited with coining the term "Murderapolis" when the city's homicide rate shot up in the 1990s. He's run unsuccessfully for mayor, fought zoning battles to stay in business and been investigated by federal agents.

Koscielski conceded that gun opponents are likely to criticize the new devices. But he said they're legal, will set off metal detectors and are readily identifiable.

"We all have a right to defend ourselves," he said.

At least one gun salesman was skeptical of the weapon's self-defense value. Mike O'Brien, a gun salesman at Joe's Sporting Goods in St. Paul, wasn't familiar with the new devices, but said muzzleloading is a "slow and tedious" process.

"Us guys here would consider something like that useless," said O'Brien. "A .177 caliber BB is ballistically a joke, OK? I'm sure it could cause injury and damage, but as a self-defense weapon, no. Not to anyone familiar with firearms."

Guns that small have been around in various styles for a long time, and some have become curiosities and collectors items, but have failed as weapons, said O'Brien.

"It might do damage to eyes, that sort of thing. But serious damage to a 200-pound drug-crazed evildoer, no -- it'd just make them mad," he said.
 
Give me a drill, a half-inch rod of aluminum, and two drill bits and I'll make you a SMALLER gun in about five minutes. One 22 caliber hole, one 3/32" hole in the top for a touch hole. All I need is the fuse from a firecracker and we're ready to rock! Guns are not complex machinery and that 'gun' they show in the picture is even less impressive than my rod-gun would be. Besides, mine costs a great deal less, even if you buy all the tools yourself! Want a multi-shot? Well, get me a strip of half-inch Aluminum plate and we're there!

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Re: original post ...No thanks, Not For Defence.

Now....a smaller replica shotgun , firing at least two rds ....:D

Hey Badger - you do a Blue&Wood Ithaca 37 replica with full wood stock - holler...Okay - now where I am gonna find a minii - trap to throw mini clay targets....mini doves, mini ducks, ...

Hey - If a O/U or SXS is easier - I ain't picky. Pull! Bang!....Pull! Bang! ....now a pair Bang! Bang!

:p
 
I think this is a good idea. Sure it's not likely to do a one shot stop but for the purposes it works. Remember, the article says

"the main value of the new gun is that it gives the owner a chance to get away from an attacker."

If by "ideal self defense weapon" he means "something that some non-gunnys will actually carry to legally protect themselves" then I think he's right. We can't expect the rest of the population to be as concerned about self defense as we are. This is a low cost option which could be ideal for someone who wants to be able to defend himself/herself but doesn't want to pay over $100.

Jeff
 
Someone over on GT said the guy couldnt even get the thing to fire, he then pulled out his homemade pen gun, which fired on the third try :rolleyes:
 
No thanks.
If I gotta have a CLP and/or a purchase permit, for about $149 I can get one of these:
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Load it with FIVE rounds and be pretty sure it'll go bang. No battery needed.
Load with three rounds of .22mag and two rounds of .22 mag shot shells.
Good luck to anyone who buys one. Remember. "keep y'r powder dry":evil:
 
A muzzleloading BB gun..

I guess this may get someone upset when fired upon,and then may get someone injured worse when they don't have a backup..

IMO I believe this is worse than any "mouse" gun that was ever made..
 
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