I've witnessed folks deride others for buying an XYZ when their ABC is "just as good or better for half the price."
Snubbing someone is rude regardless of which side you're own.
Gun Snobs lighten up!
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jcwit
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Well I suppose thats true, but not nearly as common.
Rail Driver
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I agree with this. I caught hell for buying a c9, even though it was all I could afford at the time. I've since upgraded, and now I'm catching hell for owning a Sigma.
The great part about it is that I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM with either pistol.
I would be afraid to shoot my sigma for fear it would blow up in my hand if I listened to half the people that have a comment about the gun. Personally if I had a spare $700 to spend on a pistol, sure I'd get a sig or a HK... not really... I'd buy something less expensive and a bunch of ammo.
Not to mention the lifetime factory warranty on both pistols just in case.
The great part about it is that I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM with either pistol.
I would be afraid to shoot my sigma for fear it would blow up in my hand if I listened to half the people that have a comment about the gun. Personally if I had a spare $700 to spend on a pistol, sure I'd get a sig or a HK... not really... I'd buy something less expensive and a bunch of ammo.
Not to mention the lifetime factory warranty on both pistols just in case.
Sure. Probably because there are more firearms at or below the median price than above???
I dont care what someone buys or shoots... get what you can afford... but I will add a little something about the hi-points...
A friend of mine owns a gun shop and every day there are at least 5 calls of people looking to buy a hi-point. That is a lot of people looking for this one brand of gun and a lot of profit he is passing on for refusing to carry the brand... WHY you may ask... Simple.. he carried Hi-points for the first year he was open and LITERALLY 8 of 10 that were sold came back with problems... Let me guess... you will say "no problem, they have a lifetime warranty just send it to them (pay shipping both ways) and you will get a working gun back and an extra mag for your trouble..." Sorry, but an 80% return rate (NOT EXAGGERATING HERE) makes the shop look bad.. it is never the guns fault, it is the shop's fault for selling the gun. I know what you will say next... "well, he should still carry the brand if people want to buy it." To that I will say that is the problem with so many businesses, only worried about immediate profits and not keeping customers. For every person that goes out and buys an "inexpensive" gun because it is all they can afford, there is another that is working their way into the sport... He prefers to keep the customer's coming back rather than deal with continuously sending the same gun back to the manufacturer for the same repairs while having the owner down his shop.
Also, a POS with 8 mags is just an expensive POS (purchase price + multiple shipping fees) with 8 mags... which, on a side note, are often the problem to begin with in the Hi-points.
ALL that said, I have never and will never put someone down for for the gun they own, I will however attempt to aim them at a best gun for their budget/experience level/intended use.
A friend of mine owns a gun shop and every day there are at least 5 calls of people looking to buy a hi-point. That is a lot of people looking for this one brand of gun and a lot of profit he is passing on for refusing to carry the brand... WHY you may ask... Simple.. he carried Hi-points for the first year he was open and LITERALLY 8 of 10 that were sold came back with problems... Let me guess... you will say "no problem, they have a lifetime warranty just send it to them (pay shipping both ways) and you will get a working gun back and an extra mag for your trouble..." Sorry, but an 80% return rate (NOT EXAGGERATING HERE) makes the shop look bad.. it is never the guns fault, it is the shop's fault for selling the gun. I know what you will say next... "well, he should still carry the brand if people want to buy it." To that I will say that is the problem with so many businesses, only worried about immediate profits and not keeping customers. For every person that goes out and buys an "inexpensive" gun because it is all they can afford, there is another that is working their way into the sport... He prefers to keep the customer's coming back rather than deal with continuously sending the same gun back to the manufacturer for the same repairs while having the owner down his shop.
Also, a POS with 8 mags is just an expensive POS (purchase price + multiple shipping fees) with 8 mags... which, on a side note, are often the problem to begin with in the Hi-points.
ALL that said, I have never and will never put someone down for for the gun they own, I will however attempt to aim them at a best gun for their budget/experience level/intended use.
Gouranga
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I hear ya. Every sport/hobby has this though. When I started Bass fishing, I got a jon boat and of course all the boys with their huge boats would harass me. Until my redneck livewell ($20 Walmart cooler w 2 aerator pumps) got filled in 3 hours when they got skunked, lol.
Same with Firearms. My first handgun was a S&W M&P 40. Not a cheapo gun by any means, but I was also 35 with a good career when I bought it. Had NY State seen fit to grant me the holy privilege of owning a handgun when I was 21, you'd better believe I would have had a cheap gun. BTW, I have seen plenty of cheap guns out shoot my M&P so really it is no biggie. I will chat with ya on the opinions of our weapons but I would not begrudge a man for living within his means and buying a weapon he can afford.
Same with Firearms. My first handgun was a S&W M&P 40. Not a cheapo gun by any means, but I was also 35 with a good career when I bought it. Had NY State seen fit to grant me the holy privilege of owning a handgun when I was 21, you'd better believe I would have had a cheap gun. BTW, I have seen plenty of cheap guns out shoot my M&P so really it is no biggie. I will chat with ya on the opinions of our weapons but I would not begrudge a man for living within his means and buying a weapon he can afford.
Rail Driver
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I don't know about other brands, but I do know that Hi-Point and S&W both pay shipping BOTH ways on their warranty services. I haven't had to use those services, but I know people that have.
jfrey
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I've been to skeet ranges where if you didn't shoot a big name over/under with at least a 4 digit price tag, you weren't cool. I started out shooting a Remington 870 and did fairly well with it. Some folks just think they need to impress you with how much money they can spend.
I look at it this way: it is your money and you can spend it any way you please. I will do the same and we will both be happy.
I look at it this way: it is your money and you can spend it any way you please. I will do the same and we will both be happy.
qajaq59
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Not me. I get entertained. I think it's hilarious that someone thinks they would attain some sort of status by buying something. Now if you built the gun, then I'd be impressed, Big Time
SharpsDressedMan
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Isn't communication some of the hardest stuff? I mentioned my friend being disappointed with a HiPoint, and moving up to something a little higher priced, but more conventional for CCW. I SHOULD have mentioned that most everyone I know that has and shoots a HiPoint is relatively happy with them as "shootin" guns...very reliable, and about as accurate at the sights will allow. The complaint of the HiPoint as a CCW is more about the size, handling, and the safety. There ARE much sleeker, faster, and ergonomic designs for the job of protecting oneself. We all need to be considerate of each others choices, even if we don't like them. When trying to pass along CONSTRUCTIVE info about a gun choice, I really try hard NOT to insult the person about a gun I wouldn't necessarily want. I have lots of nice guns, but then I've been buying and trading, etc, for over 40 years. A young person with responsibilities can't always plunk down big bucks, but the $100-$150 purchase for guns and ammo keep him in the "armed citizen" category. Instead of being abrasive critics, we should treat the shooters less fortunate to a box of cartridges, and an opportunity to shoot our nice guns for comparison. When they have the funds next time, they'll be better informed, and be better prepared for the choices. Think how to make it positive; a golden rule type of thing.
oneounceload
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OH BS.......you can't have it both ways.."I can't afford a good gun therefore I'm excused from not wanting one or doing well"
BS
If you want to compete then you WILL find a way to make it happen.......if you want to be successful, you WILL find a way to use the best equipment.....trying to blame poverty as an excuse is crap
Quality guns cost money......if you're happy with mediocre results in some back yard environment using your HD POS pump gun fine - have at it.......but don't even waste your breath disparaging folks who DO have the time and resources to want to excel to the top of the ladder - that is nothing more than typical wealth envy spouted by the redistribution folks
Run what you brung, but don't be disappointed when someone with better equipment cleans your clock
CaliCoastie
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one thing that kid needs to learn quick is this, dont let what others think influnince you be your self. learned that long ago. On the other hand if they didnt know him they should have left him alone. i reallh dont care for people who stick their nose in others bisness.
I have a number of Colts, and a couple lowly (read at he time dirt cheap FEG) handguns.
I am something of a Colt snob, but I use my FEG PJK9HP (Nato spec BHP Clone) as my competition gun. I just shoot it better than most of my 45's. I've shot it enough to wear out parts and springs and sweat the finish off the grip. That pistol is still one of my favorites.
I also own a number of Tasco scopes (before Tasco went belly up and became a brand under someone else). And while I own Burris, Weaver, Leopuld, Redfield etc... for a time Tasco was, to me, the best scope for the money on the market.
I still hunt with a Savage centerfire rifle. In the early 80's they were disdained as 'cheap'--which meant inexpensive NOT 'poor quality.' That rep changed when a bunch of varmint shooters started using the 110 'tactical' model. Now Savage rifles cost as much as Remingtons.
There is a big difference between shopping cheap and shopping smart. For a while there were a number of very well made milsurp pistols from the former Eastern Bloc at bargain basement prices. But those just aren't available in the numbers they once were.
I haven't made up my mind on the Hi-Point but Justin is about to give a new one a workout you won't beleive. I look forward to hearing what he has to say.
I am something of a Colt snob, but I use my FEG PJK9HP (Nato spec BHP Clone) as my competition gun. I just shoot it better than most of my 45's. I've shot it enough to wear out parts and springs and sweat the finish off the grip. That pistol is still one of my favorites.
I also own a number of Tasco scopes (before Tasco went belly up and became a brand under someone else). And while I own Burris, Weaver, Leopuld, Redfield etc... for a time Tasco was, to me, the best scope for the money on the market.
I still hunt with a Savage centerfire rifle. In the early 80's they were disdained as 'cheap'--which meant inexpensive NOT 'poor quality.' That rep changed when a bunch of varmint shooters started using the 110 'tactical' model. Now Savage rifles cost as much as Remingtons.
There is a big difference between shopping cheap and shopping smart. For a while there were a number of very well made milsurp pistols from the former Eastern Bloc at bargain basement prices. But those just aren't available in the numbers they once were.
I haven't made up my mind on the Hi-Point but Justin is about to give a new one a workout you won't beleive. I look forward to hearing what he has to say.
I'm 56y.o. and have a good union skilled job. My wife manages several resteraunts. We have a nice home wityh a 1/2 acre lot(paid for) She drives a $48,000 car and I drive a new pickup. I shoot Kimbers, Colts, S&Ws,etc. I thank God every day we can live a very comfortable life style.
However, I can clearly remember the days we lived in a crappy apartment and had beans and hot dogs 5 nights a week. I remember laying in the snow putting a starter on my 15 y.o. beater car. I know exactly what it's like to scrape by paycheck to paycheck. I shot some cheap guns in those days when they weren't in the pawn shop. I would never disparage another persons gun just because it didn't have a high price tag. Before you look down you nose at another mans guns or clothes or vehicles, walk a mile in his shoes.
However, I can clearly remember the days we lived in a crappy apartment and had beans and hot dogs 5 nights a week. I remember laying in the snow putting a starter on my 15 y.o. beater car. I know exactly what it's like to scrape by paycheck to paycheck. I shot some cheap guns in those days when they weren't in the pawn shop. I would never disparage another persons gun just because it didn't have a high price tag. Before you look down you nose at another mans guns or clothes or vehicles, walk a mile in his shoes.
Zoidberg523
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Jeez, calm down. You're the one disparaging everyone's "HD POS pump guns". Quit being a hypocrite, and step away from the keyboard: you're getting angry, whilst everyone is trying to have a civil discussion.
Believe it or not, some people (oh, us poor peasants) actually have rigorous work hours that we must adhere to, and jobs that we need to keep. Not to mention families that need to be fed: no matter what our hobbies may be, nor how passionate we are about them.
ETA- And what we have is not "Wealth envy" so much as it is pity and disdain for the man like you who apparently has more money than etiquette.
bushmaster1313
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Only one gun to sneer at
A gun that is unsafe to those around it
I do, however, have strong feelings about spending American money on Chinese guns.
A gun that is unsafe to those around it
I do, however, have strong feelings about spending American money on Chinese guns.
Kentucky_Rifleman
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The other side of the argument
I'm not for running down another man's tools; that's just rude.
I will, however, freely share my opinions and experiences with people who seem interested or ask (like those of you reading this).
We gun-fanciers can get pretty defensive about our "pet-brands." I've gotten some heated responses from other shooters by saying nothing more insulting than, "You're Ruger Super Redhawk is nice, but I like my S&W 29 a lot better."
I've done nothing more than state my preference for brand A over brand B, but some shooters think I just insulted their "brand."
I've never called another man's gun junk. I have said things like, "I had one of those about 5 years back, but traded it, because it _________."
Again, this isn't an insult, but an observation based on my own experiences.
We all need to be polite about the other fella's toys, but we all also need to get a little thicker skinned.
KR
I'm not for running down another man's tools; that's just rude.
I will, however, freely share my opinions and experiences with people who seem interested or ask (like those of you reading this).
We gun-fanciers can get pretty defensive about our "pet-brands." I've gotten some heated responses from other shooters by saying nothing more insulting than, "You're Ruger Super Redhawk is nice, but I like my S&W 29 a lot better."
I've done nothing more than state my preference for brand A over brand B, but some shooters think I just insulted their "brand."
I've never called another man's gun junk. I have said things like, "I had one of those about 5 years back, but traded it, because it _________."
Again, this isn't an insult, but an observation based on my own experiences.
We all need to be polite about the other fella's toys, but we all also need to get a little thicker skinned.
KR
WRT calling something "junk", if someone has already bought something, I refrain, even if I think it is junk. What would be the point, anyway? He's already got the thing.
"Junk" does not necessarily correlate with price. In fact, if I have a low opinion about a product, I will have a much stronger low opinion if that product is expensive. I think that something that costs more, should be worth more.
However... If someone has NOT purchased something, and he's asking for opinions about whether to spend his hard-earned cash, I'll call it as I see it. I'm doing him a FAVOR if I warn him off something flawed -- or if I present a contrary view when the fanboys come out in force to tell a would-be buyer about how perfect their gun is.
I think that a purchase with one's hard-earned cash, whether it's for $200, $2000, or $20,000, should be an informed purchase. I don't believe in pulling punches so as not to offend, when a poster asks for honest opinions BEFORE he buys something.
"Junk" does not necessarily correlate with price. In fact, if I have a low opinion about a product, I will have a much stronger low opinion if that product is expensive. I think that something that costs more, should be worth more.
However... If someone has NOT purchased something, and he's asking for opinions about whether to spend his hard-earned cash, I'll call it as I see it. I'm doing him a FAVOR if I warn him off something flawed -- or if I present a contrary view when the fanboys come out in force to tell a would-be buyer about how perfect their gun is.
I think that a purchase with one's hard-earned cash, whether it's for $200, $2000, or $20,000, should be an informed purchase. I don't believe in pulling punches so as not to offend, when a poster asks for honest opinions BEFORE he buys something.
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Maverick223
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Well said, AB. That is how I see it as well, when they hav already purchased the item in question it is best left alone, unless there exists a safety issue.
killchain
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This is not a very respectful response.
For one, someone can choose to:
a) Not buy an expensive gun
b) not do well
I could go buy a $7000 mousefart 1911 and choose to shoot like crap. Or I could buy a $65 C-9 and get really good with it.
110% of competition is the shooter. Having that $7000 pistol and not being good with it is like buying a McLaren F1 and not knowing how to drive it.
Your comment about redistribution of wealth was not only a straw man argument, but unwarranted. Choosing to and/or owning a C-9 does not implicitly imply that you wish to redistribute someone's wealth.
And stick to your "run what you bring" argument when your mousefart gun craps the bed and they guy with the C-9 wins your door prize.
EDIT: By the way, I don't like the C-9. I personally compete with an FNP-45.
brotus2
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I shoot skeet with my Winchester Model 97 pump with a cutts compensator set to improved cylinder. To be honest, it's really old and ugly - but it breaks birds to the tune of a drawer full of 25 patches and a few 50's.
I always enjoy out gunning guys with $10,000.00 shotguns and a $1,000.00 worth of clothing on.
I have, personally, never had anybody laugh at my Winnie. In fact, I've had a few guys ask to shoot a station with it.
Gun snobs are out there, for sure. It wrong, we know, but it is a fact of life and there will always be people like that - in all walks of life.
Just let you shooting do your talking for you.
I always enjoy out gunning guys with $10,000.00 shotguns and a $1,000.00 worth of clothing on.
I have, personally, never had anybody laugh at my Winnie. In fact, I've had a few guys ask to shoot a station with it.
Gun snobs are out there, for sure. It wrong, we know, but it is a fact of life and there will always be people like that - in all walks of life.
Just let you shooting do your talking for you.
Bull.
Put a staple gun in his hand, and you will see Jerry Miculek lose every match.
Competition is about the shooter, but without a certain threshold of gun, for a given competition, the best shooter does not stand a chance. If you have to call for an alibi every third relay, you will lose. If you shoot Bullseye with a 1911 that can't do better than 2" groups at 25 yards, you will lose. It doesn't matter who you are. And it doesn't make sense for a serious competitor to let his/her gun be the weakest link. Guns come in a box. Mindset, focus, practice, muscle memory, all these things take a hell of a lot of WORK by the shooter. Why take any chances with the easiest, and in the big picture, the cheapest link in the chain?
I once won a steel plate match for charity, and beat a bunch of custom 1911s with a German surplus Walther P1. Does that mean I'd use that gun if I got serious about it? Hell no. I'd get a custom 1911. I was just "on" that day, and the gun was adequate, but I think the 1911 shooters had the better guns. They just didn't shoot as well, that day. Over time, if we all kept competing, I would have been seriously handicapped by my equipment, no matter what my ability. That P1 is a pretty good gun, especially for such an old semiauto, but it's not a match gun.
Engraving doesn't win competitions, obviously. But there's a reason that you see guns above a certain level on the podium. And it's not because top shooters have unlimited funds, or because they don't know about guns.
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dmancornell
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On the flip side, I heard a guy tell his son (through my fancy Peltors earmuffs) that I was compensating for a lack of skill because I had a custom Remington 700 with a high dollar Leupold scope.
I didn't badmouth his SKS, don't be hating.
I didn't badmouth his SKS, don't be hating.
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