Gun Snobs lighten up!

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I stand in judgement of all lesser guns.


Haha, but really. Shoot what ya got. We were all created equal but our bank accounts, they are not.
 
is it just me....or does anyone else like cheap, basic guns?

i mean dont get me wrong....if someone offered me a choice between a dolled up 1911 or a high point C9...ide take the 1911 in a heart beat.....

but theres just something about cheap, basic stuff thats attractive to me.
 
Triplebike.

Some people have a LOT of EGO invested in their firearms.

Personally I think they are insecure, boyish clowns. I especially love the guys with the top o' the line armalites with 300 dollar surefire light (at the range? in broad daylight?) hanging off it it, and the 2000 trijicon scope but still can't outshoot the lad next to him shooting a WASR-10 with irons.

Have you seen some of these guns? Jesus, one day I swear I am going to show up and see a can opener hanging off the quad rail of a nickel-plated Colt AR-15.

Clowns with egos.

Boys basically.
 
^ Agreed M-Cameron, reminds me of a favorite quote.

In anything at all, perfection is finally attained not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
 
The only people that I've heard talk bad about Hi-points are the ones behind the counter at the gun shop, or somebody that heard from a friend of a friend that someone that guy knows knew someone that said it is a peice of crap. Obviously the guy at the gun shop is going to tell you it's a peice of crap, then try to sell you a $600 gun instead. Why would he try to sell a gun that he makes $40 off of, when he can make $150 in the same amount of time selling you a Glock?

Everybody that I've talked to loves their Hi-point, and hasn't had a single problem. Sure, some think they're ugly, but who cares? I wouldn't use it for defense, or trust my life to it (something about the blowback action makes me not trust it in a life and death situation), but for target shooting, why not? I've been trying to pick one up, by my local shop says they won't sell them, and I don't want to have one shipped in and pay the fees. As soon as one turns up at a show that I happen to be at, I'll be buying a carbine.

This kinda reminds me of the scene in "The Fast and the Furious" when the snob is at the light, and Paul Walker asks "how much does one of those cost?" and the guy replies "more than you can afford.... Ferrari" then Vin Diesel says "smoke 'em" and the punk ass in the Ferrari loses.
 
Why does a guy need a $1,000 gun if all he wants is something to protect his house? If all he wants is something to leave in the nightstand, don't rag him about it. Encourage him when he steps out to the range.

At the very least he will feel comfortable getting familiar with the weapon. Which may mean he is better equiped to use it when needed. Maybe, the comradery will get him interested in taking his interest farther.

Telling a guy with a Bersa his gun sucks because it isn't a Glock is really pointless 95% of the time. Most gun users do not need a gun that can be frozen in a block of ice, defrosted, and then fired. For the average person a gun that goes bang is all they need. If it can do 3" groups at 15 yards it will be accurate enough for their needs. Ragging on somebody because of their budget or priorities is high school level idiocy.

Would you rag on a person because they wear Dickies instead of Carhartt? What if they wear Russel Athletic instead of Guide Gear? It is basicly the same thing.
 
A snob is typically defined by the jealous or insecure. I like nice things; guns, scotch, beer, food, road bikes, etc. It doesn't make me a snob just because I appreciate quality. I have used lower end stuff and appreciate what high end quality has to offer. On the other side of the coin, I try to make it a point not to denegrate someone else based on their opinions, to each their own, for whatever reason.
Couldn't have said it better myself!

One observation, folks really shouldn't judge in either direction. Because the guy you perceive as a "rich prick" has probably worked his arse off to get where he is. The guy with a chip on his shoulder who can only afford cheap "stuff" (guns, cars, homes, whatever) but snarks at folks who can afford higher quality stuff is no better than the rich dude who can afford anything he wants and looks down on anyone that he perceives as lesser. Then there are those of us in between that work hard for our money so that we can appreciate the finer things in life. We don't care for either school of thought. Snobbery is a state of mind, you don't have to be rich to be a snob.
 
is it just me....or does anyone else like cheap, basic guns?
I love them. Especially the former Soviet Union military surplus. There are some unbelievable bargains. I have kicked myself several times for not stocking up on M1 Carbines when they were $110 and Enfields when they were $25.
 
I get a charge out of gun snobs, especially shotgun snobs, I was in the shop the other day, a wealthy shotgunner comes in asking if any guns were traded in, the owner said "we had a Citori 20 Gauge come in" The snob said, "No, I don't mean that common junk" I blurted out, could not resist, "what are you looking for?" The cad said, "Well Perazzi to start with". I just laughed.
 
Couldn't have said it better myself!

One observation, folks really shouldn't judge in either direction. Because the guy you perceive as a "rich prick" has probably worked his arse off to get where he is. The guy with a chip on his shoulder who can only afford cheap "stuff" (guns, cars, homes, whatever) but snarks at folks who can afford higher quality stuff is no better than the rich dude who can afford anything he wants and looks down on anyone that he perceives as lesser. Then there are those of us in between that work hard for our money so that we can appreciate the finer things in life. We don't care for either school of thought. Snobbery is a state of mind, you don't have to be rich to be a snob.
Well said, I agree 100 percent
 
I will always believe that there exists better men than me.


I am not as good as I could be. I am not as smart as I should be.
 
had to laugh at this thread, especially the ones who rave about pulling out there 18" pump they bought for $70 back in 1980, used, abused, shooting it with only the choke it came with, and beating guys with Perazzis and Krieghoffs at skeet or sporting clays. Gimme a freakin break. Go to a tournament and see how well you do.....As a previous poster asked, "where are these guys?" Another poster replied, perhaps the guys shooting cheap guns can't afford the tournament fees or take off from work. What a lame excuse!! If they are too "poor" to afford to enter a tournament, how are they affording to shoot clays/skeet in the first place?

Winning tournaments/competitions give you some street credibility if you are going to brag about how you used your $70 pump to beat guys with $10,000 shotguns at a game of skeet or sporting clays.

Your missing the point, The guy with the expensive gun looked down on the guy with the cheap gun as the cheap gun wasn't even a real gun and was just a POS and was then out shot with the "POS" gun after talking down about it.
 
I'm all for people owning guns, but the first thing that I tend to tell people who ask me about it are all the negatives, simply because its better for them to know up front, and make an informed decision than go off half cocked, find it's not for them and at best choose to sell (mostly at a loss) whatever they've obtained a few months or years down the line, and at worst be irresponsible or negligent and cause themselves or someone else injury.

That is pretty discouraging if all you can do is give new shooters negatives. I guess, instead of teaching my grandchildren how to shoot and tell them how enjoyable shooting can be, I could just tell them shooting probably isn't for them and go about my business. :fire:
 
One of the best comments I had heard on this was from my uncle. I had bought a Westernfield .22 for 80 bucks. I was kind of dismissing what it was, then he said, "Yeah, but I bet you could hit dimes all day long with that thing."
 
Well, I guess I am in the middle on this. I don't like those rich snobs, who look down on you, if you're not dressed just right, or you don't drive the higher dollar cars, own the high dollar guns, etc.

I don't like them either and that is why I beat them up...
 
had to laugh at this thread, especially the ones who rave about pulling out there 18" pump they bought for $70 back in 1980, used, abused, shooting it with only the choke it came with, and beating guys with Perazzis and Krieghoffs at skeet or sporting clays. Gimme a freakin break. Go to a tournament and see how well you do.....As a previous poster asked, "where are these guys?" Another poster replied, perhaps the guys shooting cheap guns can't afford the tournament fees or take off from work. What a lame excuse!! If they are too "poor" to afford to enter a tournament, how are they affording to shoot clays/skeet in the first place?

Winning tournaments/competitions give you some street credibility if you are going to brag about how you used your $70 pump to beat guys with $10,000 shotguns at a game of skeet or sporting clays.

Thats the exact kind of thing that is being discussed here. Because someone spent $10,000 on their shotgun, they automatically have the skill to use it? Ha!

My neighbors daughter was just out of state, shooting trap trying to qualify for the Olympics. Every tournament she's attended in our area, she's won. So she was invited to try out for the US team. He told me something that fits just right in this thread. "She's been competing against people who spent half a years salary on their shotguns, she's beating most of them with an OU I spent $500 on about 12 years ago." Know why? Because she's been shooting the same gun for all of probably 5 or 6 years now, watching her dad do the same thing. She knows how to use it, spending 10X more money on a shotgun wouldn't give her that kind of skill.
 
I got recently got this:

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for $500 ($370 for the rifle with 3 mags and free shipping + $130 for the 1080 round 'spam can')

which did this:

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at 200 yards (10 out of 10 inside the 8, with 2 in the X), even with my mediocre shooting. Looking for a cheap magnified scope for it now.

I casually mentioned it to the wife earlier, but I'm starting to want cheap Eastern Bloc weapons now. She actually said something about maybe wanting a Makarov. I wouldn't mind a Mosin, SKS, and a PSL.
 
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Gun snobs are awesome.......

Reminds me of a time a good friend of mine and I went for an afternoon of sporting clays.

Yeah. I'd probably shoot clays a lot more often except for the fact that I can't stand the snobishness that seems to go along with the trap shooting / sporting clays / skeet shooting scene. It seems that unless you dress like the shooting equivalent of a golf nerd, drive a lexus, and own a shotgun that costs more than my house, you just don't belong on their ranges.

Personally, I step to the line with my trusty Mossberg 500, and endure the scowls of those who feel I don't belong.


had to laugh at this thread, especially the ones who rave about pulling out there 18" pump they bought for $70 back in 1980, used, abused, shooting it with only the choke it came with, and beating guys with Perazzis and Krieghoffs at skeet or sporting clays. Gimme a freakin break. Go to a tournament and see how well you do.....As a previous poster asked, "where are these guys?" Another poster replied, perhaps the guys shooting cheap guns can't afford the tournament fees or take off from work. What a lame excuse!! If they are too "poor" to afford to enter a tournament, how are they affording to shoot clays/skeet in the first place?

Winning tournaments/competitions give you some street credibility if you are going to brag about how you used your $70 pump to beat guys with $10,000 shotguns at a game of skeet or sporting clays.

That reply pretty much embodied everything that we were all complaining about in this thread.

You want a fair assessment of the situation? Well, here you go: I've been beat by people who had $500 trap guns, and I've been beat by people who had $60,000 trap guns. But, I've also beat people who have had expensive guns, and I've beat people who had cheap guns.

I've never been a shotgun competitor, but I've been involved in some combat pistol competitions. In training for these events I've shot a limited-class 1911 against a grand master with a sub-par production class pistol, and I've been smoked. I've also shot my duty weapon against inexperienced open-class shooters, and beat them squarely.

At the end of the day, in all of these cases, the person behind the gun is FAR more important than the gun in front of them. You can justify the value of a $10,000 trap gun if you'd like, and I won't hate you for wanting and/or owning one. Personally, that's far too rich for my blood, and I'll just stick to more mainstream shotguns. But, determining which one of us is a better trap shooter would never come down to a debate over the equipment itself. A professional trap shooter with a familiar $200 gun would easily beat a novice shooter with a familiar $10,000 gun.

But, maybe that's just me. I'm a middle class guy who earns what I believe is a very acceptable salary, and I still drive a $600 car to work, just because it does what I need it to do. Many of my similarly-compensated coworkers drive luxury cars, even though we all probably fall into a "Honda Accord" category. To each their own!



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On the other side of the coin, not all of the folks who own expensive guns are snobs either. I know of a guy who works at my local Sportsman's Warehouse. He's a big trap shooting type, and once told me that he owns an $80,000 trap gun. The guy if fairly down-to-earth, and seems helpful with customers when I'm in the store.

I'll never spend $80,000 on a single gun, and I'll probably never spend that much for my entire collection. But, this man has every right to put his money where he'd like to, and he isn't a snob for doing so.

Shoot what you like, and like what you shoot! Let others do the same :)
 
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I joined a trap/skeet club many years ago. A bunch of my gun nut friends talked me into it. I had an old M12 Winchester that my grandfather bought around 1917. It was field grade with a very long plain barrel. The finish was kind of washed out where I spilled Coke on it when I was about 5 or 6. I had fired it before but I just had traded an 870 to him for it. Decided to try it on the trap range. You should have heard the laughs I got from the high dollar gun crowd. The gun had an old lace on leather recoil pad. I thought they were going to drop over from laughing so hard. When we finished the round, I had hit 24. The closest was a 22. My friends had been watching and I said in a loud voice, "I missed one. Gee, I dont know how that happened." They all got a laugh out of that except for the others on the line who just skulked away without looking at me. One of them did ask if I was going to shoot in the tourneys.

One thing that was kind of missed here in this thread is that guns are a hobby and are supposed to be fun. Not everybody is looking for a super defense gun. I used to work in a gunshop and still haunt some when I have a chance. When a new guy/gal comes in they are sometimes treated as stupid and it turns them off. Not a good thing for the sport. When I was selling, if someone asked for my opinion, Id give it. But I wouldnt stop them from buying what they wanted. I often buy guns just for fun, not for practical uses. Right now Im thinking of getting a repo Colt single action type revolver in a scaled down version. Looks like an 1877 and is in 41 Long Colt. Some people think that would be crazy, but a least its different.
 
Because someone spent $10,000 on their shotgun, they automatically have the skill to use it? Ha!


only the poor folks who are jealous of the guys spending big bucks on a gun think like this.....look at the sporting clays/skeet/trap winners. Do you see any of them shooting a pump they bought from Dicks? :rolleyes:


My neighbors daughter was just out of state, shooting trap trying to qualify for the Olympics. Every tournament she's attended in our area, she's won. So she was invited to try out for the US team. He told me something that fits just right in this thread. "She's been competing against people who spent half a years salary on their shotguns, she's beating most of them with an OU I spent $500 on about 12 years ago." Know why? Because she's been shooting the same gun for all of probably 5 or 6 years now, watching her dad do the same thing. She knows how to use it, spending 10X more money on a shotgun wouldn't give her that kind of skill.

post the name of the tournaments that she won. I can see if they are sanctioned ATA events and can see what class she is in. That makes a world of difference. If you want street credibility and want to brag about how John/Jane Doe with his/her $500 shotgun is beating guys with guns costing 10x more, then you better have "proof" to back it up. The Grand American just wrapped up a couple weeks ago....where were the $500 shotguns in the winner circles??:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
"Some people have a LOT of EGO invested in their firearms."

The ones who spent the least from the sound of things. <shrug>

I shot inexpensive guns in the 1950s and 1960s. Do I have to keep shooting nothing but inexpensive guns? When I buy a more expensive gun should I keep the news to myself? I know I could have bought another cheap gun or ten for that matter and saved money. Is it socially unacceptable for me to spend my money as I see fit? :)

That's it, I'm going to the gun store.
 
I remember a day on the range...someone's ladyfriend (next lane over) asked me some questions about "your tiny gun" (my sccy) and wanted to shoot it....her guy friend immediately said "why would you want to shoot ap piece of **** like that?"....I got a bit of a laugh as I wasn't the one that had their pistol jam up.

That same guy on another occaision talked smack about my Marlin 60 as well...oh well, his loss. If he spent as much time working on his marksmanship as he did for throwing rails all over it, he'd be an excellent shot...which would have probably helped his demanor overall.

People like that was part of the reason I went to another range....there the only comment I heard about my cheapy pistol was more or less banter in the shop, mostly qustions as they've never shot it before...if they have the ammo, or if I have any left, they're usually more than welcome to fire a magazine through it and see for themselves.
 
John nobody is saying to be quiet about your expensive gun. This is what I'm talking about.

I went to the range recently with my dad to practice for my upcoming CCH class. When we got there he pulled out his Heritage Rough Rider in .22LR. The guy in the lane next to us kept looking. Then he said "You know if you want a real gun you should buy a Colt Army."

We ignored the guy and my dad pulled out his Bersa Thunder .380. The guy looked over chuckeled and kept shooting. After we made it through the first couple of cylinders in the heritage the guy leans back. He waves me over and says, "If you want to experience shooting a man's gun I'll let you shoot my Redhawk."

I just smiled and said "Nah I was shooting the Colt Single Action Army in .45Long yesterday. I think I'll give myself a break today."
 
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