Diesel truck with only five lugs? Cheap truck just like the cheap gun. Got two (guns not trucks) as I posted earlier.
Gun Snobs lighten up!
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The Don
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I get the strong feeling that I need to explain what I mean by cheap and inexpensive. To me a cheap item is not worth the materials that it was made with. A cheap item will cost you more in the end then it would have cost for a better model of that item. Rather the cost be to your wallet or to your safety. A inexpensive item is something made that gets the job for which it was build done with the least about of cost possible, without sacrificing safety. Here is the golden nugget the inexpensive item like I stated I the latter sentence gets the job for which it was build done. Hi Point is not nor was designed to be a MATCH grade firearm, or even a HIGH grade family heirloom type weapon like say a Ruger. It was designed to fire rounds down range at a paper target for fun, or at a robber in self defense and to do so with COMBAT ACCURACY. It is provided at a low cost for those that cannot afford a nicer weapon. So there is no confusion about combat accuracy. Combat accuracy is the placement of enough shots to stop a deadly threat. Combat accuracy like is taught to LEOs (Like I am learning now in my police classes) is practiced at areas the size of paper plates and bigger. Also most situations where you would need a weapon for defense occur at 20 feet or less.
mcdonl
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I showed up at an IDPA match with one two years ago... the range officer said no way, you cannot use that here. I demanded my money back for the match, for the IDPA intro class I took and I wanted to withdraw my club membership. He said, ok... you win but you will never get through a magazine without jamming.
Well, I did get through the magazine and the first stage I shot zero down and readily won. I stopped using it as it requires tools to breakdown, so that eliminates it from the realm of usefulness but dont sell the C9 short.
Also, check out what Justin has done with the C9 in this thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=532284&highlight=justin+hi+point
They may not be of "match" quality but they can hold their own in a match.
The Don
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mcdonl
Vary true! They can hold their own in a match. But like all weapons it comes down to the person that is using it.
Vary true! They can hold their own in a match. But like all weapons it comes down to the person that is using it.
therewolf
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triplebike,(OP), was the guy any good with the C9?
IMO, accuracy and skill should have been the real issue.
Personally, I'm secure enough in my own skin that I don't give a damn what others think and say. I'm going to buy and shoot what I want and like.
If the person in the next lane is shooting an air gun and he's more accurate than me, I'll appreciate his accuracy. OTOH, I really don't care WHAT he's shooting accurately with.
IMO, accuracy and skill should have been the real issue.
Personally, I'm secure enough in my own skin that I don't give a damn what others think and say. I'm going to buy and shoot what I want and like.
If the person in the next lane is shooting an air gun and he's more accurate than me, I'll appreciate his accuracy. OTOH, I really don't care WHAT he's shooting accurately with.
I have carried an Astra 75 for some 15 years - easy to conceal and totally reliable. The only 2 misfires I ever had with it were due to dud primers.
It is truly an excellent pistol, although I prefer my 1911 for IDPA as it has a longer sight base.
It is truly an excellent pistol, although I prefer my 1911 for IDPA as it has a longer sight base.
oneounceload
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OK, you had me believing your post until this statement!
Ruger and heirloom do not go into the same sentence...........
Erik M
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I only know one gun shob, but he asserts the Glock's dominance over every other handgun in existence. Its used by the law enforcement every where he says which is true. I just tell him how much I enjoy my Blackhawk/Vaquero, smile, and go about my business.
The Don
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oneounceload
I say heirloom I guess just because I own a 1949 Ruger Standard that my great grandpa got new. Its was his everyday carry gun on the tractor as a farmer. He also took it to any hunting or shooting event he ever went to. She still is going strong and I have ran 2,500rds through it without issue.)
I say heirloom I guess just because I own a 1949 Ruger Standard that my great grandpa got new. Its was his everyday carry gun on the tractor as a farmer. He also took it to any hunting or shooting event he ever went to. She still is going strong and I have ran 2,500rds through it without issue.
)great post
What a great story and a great post.If you remember when we started out hunting,or shooting we couldn't afford the best yet we got the job done. I shot my first deer with a 410 single shot. It's a shame that to some our firearms have become a status simble.I own several handguns some are of a higher quality some midrange and my neighbor hard up for money one day sold me his HiPoint .380 and it works flawlessly. I have shot over 500 rounds through it all of which are my reloads and it functions a good as my Walther. As I write this on what is a rainy night here at work the Hi Point is on my hip right now.
What a great story and a great post.If you remember when we started out hunting,or shooting we couldn't afford the best yet we got the job done. I shot my first deer with a 410 single shot. It's a shame that to some our firearms have become a status simble.I own several handguns some are of a higher quality some midrange and my neighbor hard up for money one day sold me his HiPoint .380 and it works flawlessly. I have shot over 500 rounds through it all of which are my reloads and it functions a good as my Walther. As I write this on what is a rainy night here at work the Hi Point is on my hip right now.
Sauer Grapes
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I won't even talk with anybody that puts down another mans gun, period! That why there are so many different flavors of guns on the market in varying price ranges.
As far as I'm concerned, shoot what you like, buy what you can afford.
I regularly shoot 5stand and sporting clays with guys that own guns worth more than my last new car. We all just like shooting.
There are some guns on the market I would never own for one reason or another, but I would never tell anyone their gun is a POS. I own a couple that a lot of people would call junk.
As far as I'm concerned, shoot what you like, buy what you can afford.
I regularly shoot 5stand and sporting clays with guys that own guns worth more than my last new car. We all just like shooting.
There are some guns on the market I would never own for one reason or another, but I would never tell anyone their gun is a POS. I own a couple that a lot of people would call junk.
Kentucky_Rifleman
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Oneounceload, I appreciate the inclusion of the smiley. Rugers may not be heirlooms quite yet, but I have several that I prize highly and intend to pass on to my children. I'll bet they become heirlooms in a few years. C'mon, you can't make a Blackhawk stop running. The Ruger's have the longevity needed to achieve heirloom status.
KR
oneounceload
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Since 1949...............
That's 41 rounds per year............sorry, I shoot 2500 rounds per 6 weeks or so with my shotgun...........
C'mon......classic S&W and Colts are heirloom guns (not the new ones).and maybe your BH will make it.......but in the other's post, shooting 2500 rounds since 1949 is not exactly pushing it......
some folks are talking about 500 rounds here or otherwise............sorry if you think that is longevity..........it isn't
The Don
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oneounceload
I think you misread my post. Me, Myself & I have ran 2,500rds through it and thats just since I got it last Dec.! I'm only 19 I was not even a thought when that gun was bought my dad was not even born till 1954! My great grandpa got it in 1949 and he shot tens of thousands of rounds. He used it in competition for many years so god knows the exact number.
I think you misread my post. Me, Myself & I have ran 2,500rds through it and thats just since I got it last Dec.! I'm only 19 I was not even a thought when that gun was bought my dad was not even born till 1954!
My great grandpa got it in 1949 and he shot tens of thousands of rounds. He used it in competition for many years so god knows the exact number.mcdonl
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No one but the gun owner gets to choose what has achieved heirloom status and what has not.
You may have your opinion but in this particular case your opinion is being offensive and rude. In MY opinion.
You may have your opinion but in this particular case your opinion is being offensive and rude. In MY opinion.
I began shooting in the 80's before the internet started educating shooters. Ridiculing shooters for having crappy guns was common place. I was a youngster who was victim. I had Sears and Stevens guns. I desparately wanted guns I saw in the 80's action movies & coveted them when I saw them at the range. Now I'm in my 40's and am in a position to afford any of the guns I wanted. Hell, I even own a few... But I still remember my humble beginings when I see a youngster pull up to the range with a cheap gun it brings me back to that time. I always offer up a few rounds of trigger time to others who stop to admire my guns and tell the youngsters in time they'll get what they want. I did. Nothing wrong with low dollar guns.
JohnBT
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Low dollar is inexpensive.
Cheap is shoddy. Poor quality.
To me anyway, they are different.
And you can make a Ruger stop running. See posts #31 and #32.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4283069&posted=1
Cheap is shoddy. Poor quality.
To me anyway, they are different.
And you can make a Ruger stop running. See posts #31 and #32.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4283069&posted=1
The Don
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JohnBT
Looks like some lucky people! But it looks to me and I not an expert that they were shooting real overloaded rounds. That can make any weapon. My cousins neighbor did that to his Fuchs and Szecsei double barrel bolt action rifle. Had a guy do some reloads and BOOM slit chamber. Oh and Yes! You read that right! Double barrel bolt action rifle Fuchs and Szecsei of Germany (leave it to us Germans!) Makes one vary cool but in my opinion over priced. See the links
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7273185959068799190#
Looks like some lucky people! But it looks to me and I not an expert that they were shooting real overloaded rounds. That can make any weapon. My cousins neighbor did that to his Fuchs and Szecsei double barrel bolt action rifle. Had a guy do some reloads and BOOM slit chamber. Oh and Yes! You read that right! Double barrel bolt action rifle Fuchs and Szecsei of Germany (leave it to us Germans!
) Makes one vary cool but in my opinion over priced. See the linkshttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7273185959068799190#
CraigC
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I was agreeing with you up to that point. Here's one that's 50yrs old, with over 20,000rds through it in just the last five. I'm pretty sure it qualifies. No, it's not a $10,000 British double but it is a prized possession and sees much more use than any of my Colt's or S&W's.
oneounceload
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Missed that little sarcastic smiley on the end of my sentence, did ya???....
I would not criticize what anyone chooses to consider a heirloom. My Aunts & Uncles have several shotguns of various manufacturer that were passed down from relatives. I don't believe they would part with any of them. Grandpa didn't have a lot of money to spend on guns but he put a lot of meat in the pot with a J C Higgins bolt action shotgun he bought from Sears for seventeen dollars & some change in the '50's. They all know that gun helped keep them fed when times were tough.
I try not to criticize others choices although there are certain brands I would not choose to own. I don't have a desire to own a high point but I know some folks who have them and are happy with them. If it works & gets the job done for them that's all that really matters anyway.
Edited to add: I missed the smiley too-Sorry oneounceload
I try not to criticize others choices although there are certain brands I would not choose to own. I don't have a desire to own a high point but I know some folks who have them and are happy with them. If it works & gets the job done for them that's all that really matters anyway.
Edited to add: I missed the smiley too-Sorry oneounceload
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