Guns of the Repo man

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I am just curious if anyone out there has ever done any work as a repo man? I've been doing it off and on for 9 years and have carried a wide range of guns. I started out with a Winchester 94 in 30-30. Then I finally got a Ruger Blackhawk in .357 with a 6 1/2 bbl. It was a good gun just kind of big, but it did get peoples attention. Then I finally started carrying my S&W M10 or M64 with 4in bbl and a M60 in my back pocket. Just yesterday I added a nickle plated Model 29 with a 6 in bbl, it goes well with my M28 Highway Patrolman with a six-incher. I just have come to love these large framed six guns. What would you all carry for this job? Remember people can get awful mad when you come to take thier wheels, even though they haven't made a paymnet in six months.
 
Revolver Justice said:
I am just curious if anyone out there has ever done any work as a repo man? I've been doing it off and on for 9 years and have carried a wide range of guns. I started out with a Winchester 94 in 30-30. Then I finally got a Ruger Blackhawk in .357 with a 6 1/2 bbl. It was a good gun just kind of big, but it did get peoples attention. Then I finally started carrying my S&W M10 or M64 with 4in bbl and a M60 in my back pocket. Just yesterday I added a nickle plated Model 29 with a 6 in bbl, it goes well with my M28 Highway Patrolman with a six-incher. I just have come to love these large framed six guns. What would you all carry for this job? Remember people can get awful mad when you come to take thier wheels, even though they haven't made a paymnet in six months.


I have no experience with this what-so-ever, but since you have no legal authority to use deadly force over anyone else, I would avoid using the gun on all but the most dire situations. Therefore, you want to appear[\b] as tough/don't even try interefering/missing with me as possible. Large frame wheel gun, and as a last resort, Crimson Trace laser grips. If you ever have to point the firearm at someone, and they stop, then take another step forward, activating the laser *may* get their attention [this is where hollywood would work to HELP us] and they may think they are 'laced' and are guarenteed doom if they proceed. It just gives you one more chance, and them, to realize they had better stop what they are thinking of doing/moving to do. Definitely worth it... also in court, you can state it was part of a planning maneuver to prevent violence/bloodshed.

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My father used to be a "repo man" back in the 80's. He never carried a gun, in fear he would use it also he believed if people saw he had a gun, they would go get theirs. He believed a gun would "immediately escalate the situation." However if he thought he was dealing with a real "bad egg" he would call up the local sheriff/LEO and have one wait close by.
 
also in court, you can state it was part of a planning maneuver to prevent violence/bloodshed.

You see yo honor, I pointed the gun at him to avoid violence.

That's gonna be a tough sell :evil:


What about non-lethal stuff? Taser, OC, bean bag, etc.
Seems lots of the bounty hunter types use these with good success.
 
I had an uncle that did repo work... he carried a nickle plated j-frame Smith in his back pocket. Don't think he ever used it.
 
Good repo men use stealth and deception, not intimidation and threat of lethal force. You need to rethink your tactics IMO.
 
Let's go easy on the OP. I've seen lots of tow truck drivers carrying openly. Makes people think twice...
 
I think you all are being a bit too critical here. Perhaps he needs the gun for defense, not offense? I certainly don't think I would shoot someone in order to take their car. However, if the property owner confronted me with a gun while I was lawfully performing a repo, I would definitely want a pistol to protect myself. Not saying you should start a gunfight, but others are less inclined to take a shot at you if they think you'll return fire. Might just help the repo man live to fight another day.
 
My brother and I did it part-time in the late 80's. The only weapon I ever carried was an axe handle (And I never used it). A previous poster (R H Lee) hit the nail on the head:
Good repo men use stealth and deception, not intimidation and threat of lethal force.

I'm not sure how it works everywhere but when we were doing it, repossessing cars was far less glamourous/dangerous than it is in the movies.

For example, we'd get a list of cars and addresses from the finance company. They would also give us the keys to the cars. That's right, we had the keys. I never broke a window or popped an ignition in the two years that I did it.

The first thing we'd do was go to the person's house and knock on the door. By then, the repossessee had received several letters, so it's not like we were giving up the element of surprise. We'd show them the paperwork, explain that we were just doing our job, remind them that they were going to lose the car anyway, and ask if we could please have the car. This would work 8 out of 10 times. If not, we had to find a way to take it.

It was great when we could get the person's work address - you'd always find the car during the day, in the open (they were often boxed in by other cars when the person was home - after all they knew the car was going to be repossessed). It's too bad that few of these people worked for a living.

It was more difficult to get a car that was at someone's house. Dogs were a problem. You were often working at night and people are more likely to have a gun in the house than on their person. Think about it, I'm sneaking around their yard in the middle of the night - they have no idea whether I'm there to rob them or what. We tried to aviod having to do this. In addition, cars were often parked in driveways with other cars behind them. Once, my brother got in a boxed-in car and drove it around the back of the house (through the yard). If either of us got a bad feeling about any situation, we'd just leave and come back another time.

The only time we had a problem was when we had a car that we'd been trying to get for about two weeks. We took a ride by the house just as someone was leaving with the car. We followed for a couple of blocks and the person stopped at a convenience store. The guy ran in and left the car running! I hopped in and drove away with my brother in the chase car. We got about 4 miles and got pulled over by a cop with his gun drawn. The guy had reported the car stolen! It took a few phone calls and a couple of hours and we got it squared away.
 
Phoenix III;
I have no experience with this what-so-ever, but since you have no legal authority to use deadly force over anyone else, I would avoid using the gun on all but the most dire situations.
Your first statement says it all. You have no experience what-so-ever. You should have stopped there.

First, he never mentioned "using" the gun, assuming by use you mean actively involving the carry in accomplishing the reposession. I would not describe mere posession as "use" in this context.

Secondly I would suggest you read and understand the justifications on use of force spelled out in sections 501 - 510 of the Consolidated Criminal Code of Pennsylvania. You will find that the rules change slightly when you are making a re-capture of property wrongfully taken or allowed by contract (repossession for default). Legally, if your car is being repossessed, you are not permitted to obstruct or interfere with the repossession. Further the agent is justified in using reasonable force to effect the re-capture of property. Once you cross that line, deadly force is right around the corner.

A repossessor has a legal entitlement to your property. If you interfere, they can use reasonable force to overcome your resistance. They are absolved of any duty to retreat, and cannot be held responsible because they "provoked" the attack.

I would never use brute force to accomplish a repossession. The bank doesn't pay enough for all that unnecessary drama. There are far too many easier ways to get it done. You regularly leave the vehicle unattended for long periods of time. It takes just a minute to hook and drag. Many times the repossession can be accomplished with the cooperation of the owner. You can usually convince a reasonable person that it is in his best interests to cooperate. If they don't cooperate, you usually back off and confine the vehicle while calling for police. You don't need to make a persons problems worse by giving them an opportunity to be criminally stupid. All that said, you should carry a serious sidearm every time you go to work because you just never know when a job is going to go sour.

Please understand this is an attempt to summarise several pages of criminal statute and many civil theories. It is by no means a complete discussion.
 
8 out of 10 aint bad odds. As for packing a gun....if the cops are called because a repo man has a gun and "threatend" them with it, (which is what the caller is going to say) in a best case scenario the repo man will be given an admonishment and cited for disturbing the peace.....at least here.

If I'm getting paid 8 out of 10 with no trouble, and I can sneak another 1 out of 10....I'm gonna leave that last one alone. I'm not going to fight, shoot or be shot for any finance company's money.

But that's me.
 
Hey! Here's an idea! Rather than judging and criticising a man none of us know, how about we go ahead and answer his question instead of going on about how wrong it is to carry a gun on the job...

Without judging him, it is not unlikely that he carries a gun for peace of mind in case somebody decides they got nothing to lose...
 
Rain_Man said:
Hey! Here's an idea! Rather than judging and criticising a man none of us know, how about we go ahead and answer his question instead of going on about how wrong it is to carry a gun on the job...

Without judging him, it is not unlikely that he carries a gun for peace of mind in case somebody decides they got nothing to lose...

+1
 
Personally, I wouldn't openly carry (concealed, definately) your gun unless you absolutely knew this was going to be a problem case. Otherwise, something big and obvious is the way to go. The S&W 29 is very identifiable as the Dirty Harry gun, and those problem cases may be less likely to hassle you.

On another note, I wish one of y'all had been the repo guy that took back my car. I could've just taken all of my stuff out of the car and let you have the dang thing. Instead they didn't even bother and just did a hook and drag and I had to go all the way to the otherside of Atlanta to get my stuff. Oh well, that was then, this is now, and my current car is paid for...
 
I did some repo work in Ca. Really couldn't carry anything without dire consequences, otherwise I would have carried my Mod 60 S&W.
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Here in Florida it is illegal for a repossesion agent to carry a firearm.

I have worked repossesion cases as a private investigator--which i can be and am armed--but I am not the one towing the car.

If it turns into a situation then most times the agent will leave the car as a car is not worth jail/medical time and/or charges on the agent.
 
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There were actually quite a few guns in Repo Man. :D
 
As stated before,stealth and deception,if properly used,usually precludes the need for any confrontation.I did occassionally keep one concealed,as I was frequently called upon to scarf a gang bangers car out of the hood.
Things worked out pretty well,tho and I was always able to outfox them.
 
Not sure about the legality of a repo man using reasonable force.

Texas had a case about a year or so ago where a man shot and killed a repo man repossessing a vehicle. The courts theory was that until the vehicle was in fact in possession of the repo man it still belonged to the guy that shot the repo man. Being his property, on his land, he had a right to use deadly force to protect it. He got off scott free.

Part of the problem is that repo men come like thieves in the night. In states where you are allowed to shoot thieves on your property, especially an armed thief,,,

If a repo man shot and killed a man while repossessing a vehicle, where the owner had a clear legal right to defend the vehicle. I think there would be a very strong chance that a murder conviction would result.
 
Pietro Beretta said:
My father used to be a "repo man" back in the 80's. He never carried a gun, in fear he would use it also he believed if people saw he had a gun, they would go get theirs. He believed a gun would "immediately escalate the situation." However if he thought he was dealing with a real "bad egg" he would call up the local sheriff/LEO and have one wait close by.


This is probably your best advice.....good post
 
I have a little experience in the field of repoing. There are only 2 states in the COUS that aren't self help. Self help is kinda of self explanatory in that you can recover the vehicle without LE. The 2 states that aren't self help are Louisiana and Wisconsin.

On the story of the repo man shot and killed while trying to recover a vehicle I believe that is based on an incident that happened in Houston, Texas. The "recovery agent" had hooked to and was going down the street, at night, when the registered owner came out of the house and shot at him with a deer rifle. The wrecker slowed down and came to a stop in a ditch with the car still attached. Without further concern the man walked inside and didn't report the incident till the morning but by then the repo man had died.

There was a trial but the shooter was found not guilty but the incident destroyed his life. His wife left him and a few years later he commited suicide. If I'm wrong then please let me know.

In the 10 years that I have repoed cars I have only needed a gun twice.
The first time was when I was in a less than secure part of town looking for someone. It was winter and I was getting looked over pretty hard by several men in the courtyard. I turned around went back to the car and slipped my .380 into my coat pocket. They must have guessed what I had retrived because they were no longer eyeing as a potential victim.

The second time was when a young man threatened to kill me. He ran to his car but rather than retrive a gun he jumped in and speed away. To be honest I'm glad I didn't have a gun with me that day because I probably would have shot him thus ruining my life and his.

How do you repo a vehicle? Treat the person as a human. Be polite, speak in a calm voice and tell them the situation. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
 
I've mentioned before the client of mine that shot at some repo men with a shotgun thinking they were thieves- saw them in his car in a high-crime area at 2:00 AM and made the assumption. Fortunately it was birdshot and no one got hurt.

I don't see where having a gun would have helped the repo men in that situation. They did the smart thing by getting out of there and calling the cops. I can see the intimidation value, but I also agree that it's not worth getting in a gunfight for someone else's money.
 
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