Guns that never made it.

[Warren]

Really?

I read the linked article all it had going for it was cheapness and lightness. Reliablity...not so much.

 

[Zach S]

If i ever make a Vampire movie my protagonist is going to have one of those loaded with sharpened wood dowels just long enough to peek out of the tubes. That would be the coolest undead "killer" in history. It would also be about the only thing that i can think of that this thing could do that couldnt be accomplished with a pump-gun.

I remember seeing a vampire movie where one of the hunters loaded his own 12 guage ammo with a wooden slug, not as cool looking as the hypothetical stake gun you're thinking of though.

I think it was that really bad flick with Jon Bon Jovi...

 

[vapor22]

the Pancor Jackhammer

it's made a few appearances in movies and it was in the first Max Payne computer game. It's a video game staple by now.

Pics

 

[carpettbaggerr]

The Remington 600 has been brought back as the 673

http://www.remington.com/firearms/centerfire/673.htm

 

[BlkHawk73]

The 673 and the 600 are NOT the same. Too bad, I too like the 673.

 

[dobbs23]

I always will have a place in my heart for the Colt Cadet .22. It was inexpensive, great out of the box, fired just about any .22LR you put thru it, was extremely dependable, easy to break down and clean.
As a matter of fact, it was so good, they stopped producing it. Sheesh.

 

[The Undertoad]

Vapor22 - The Pancor Jackhammer was in Fallout 2, long before Max Payne came out... other than those two, I haven't seen it in any games, do you know any other titles it's in?

 

[RooK]

BlkHawk73, you forgot the Ruger Baby Nambu (.22lr). It reminds me of a Mark II pocket pistol. I'd like to see half the stuff Ruger developed but never put into production. No doubt there are a lot of good designs/idea floating around over there.

 

[ExtremeDooty]

RG Ind. 14s. sweet looking little gun. RG got sued out of business. Any one interested in a trade for this little sweetheart?

 

[zpo]

Jackhammer was in one (or more) of the Delta Force series, I believe its in Far Cry, and another game, I just can't remember the name right now.

 

[Rebeldon]

Didn't Remington get sued over the model 600? It was something about the safety not working.

 

[White Horseradish]

There was one horror movie where the good guy ran around with a shotgun that had four barrels becide one another. The movie had spheres flying around in it with evil midgets. Thats all I remember.

The movie was one of the Phantasm movies (Phantasm III, I think.) The four-barreled gun is made in the beginning of the movie by the guy that carries it from two SxS shotguns he gets at a hardware store.

 

[FullClip]

The Remington 5MM rimfire, ahead of it's time maybe looking at the success of the .17 HMR and the Remington Etronix electronic ignition system, maybe the same thing.
The Bren Ten that gave us the 10MM round.

Still want one of each.

 

[max popenker]

one of these "could-be AK killers"

Afanasiev TKB-011 (1962-64)

Korobov TKB-022 (1962)

 

[usp_fan]

The Bren Ten. For all of us wannabe Sonney Crockets.

--usp_fan

 

[Correia]

The FG-42. I still want a civillian version in .308.

The Jon Bon Jovi movie was Vampires: Dia de Los Muertos. It pretty much sucked, but I'm a fan of b-movie monster fun.

 

[El Guero]

Max, you should do a write-up of those guns! I'd really like to know more about those!!!

I think the Steyr ACR (is that right?) is a gun that should have been looked at more seriously. The Flechette rounds with near instantaneous hits and bull-pup design just strike me as a gun at the peak of small-arms performance, although it did look awful expensive. Too bad it just wasn't good enough for the Army to seriously consider (didn't double the performance of the M16 )

Check it out on Max's site, he has a lot of guns that didn't make it. I also like that HK CAWS shotgun with the high-velocity buckshot and full-brass shells. That's my kind of gun!

 

[max popenker]

Max, you should do a write-up of those guns! I'd really like to know more about those!!!

I wish i could!
To do so i must make a 500mile railroad trip to Tula, go to local Arms museum and talk with one of keepers with the ace in the sleeve (err, with the bottle of universal liquid currency in the bag). Maybe then they will let to disassemble those (and many other) nice guns... but the problem is to find a time for such trip.

Yes, Steyr ACR was a fine design, but the HK G11 (caseless) IMHO is more interesting.

And let me dsiclose you one military secret. This or last year US military purchased rights from Hk and Dynamit Nobel for their caseless ammunition, and already began experimenting with it (again; first US experiments with caseless ammo began in 1950s). They plan to use caseless ammo in the after-next generation of LWMG; if they suceed, probably after-next (post-XM8) military rifle also will be caseless (some 30+ years after approval of G11)

 

[Warren]

Max,

Those sure are interesting rifles.


I'm sure the Sovs came up with a lot of stuff that never went into production.


I've heard rumors of an AK variant that could fire under water effectively.

 

[max popenker]

I've heard rumors of an AK variant that could fire under water effectively.

By no means it is not an AK. APS (not to be confused with Stechkin APS, this one is Avtomat Podvodnyj Spetsialnyj - special underwater automatic rifle) is a specialised underwater weapon, firing drag-stabilized needle-like .22 cal bullets. Underwater range is about 30-50 yards, depending on depth; the gun is almost ineffective in the air.

There's an experimental "amphibious" / "dual medium" prototype, named ASM-DT, developed by 2000 in Tula. It takes underwater ammo with needle-bullets in long mags, as well as standard 5.45x39 ammo in AK-74 mags. interchangeably. Obviuously, firing the 5.45x39 ammo underwater or 5.5 darts/neeles in the air is no good, but swapping mags is easier than swapping guns.
Full description of both APS and ASM-DT will appear in our upcoming book "Assault rifles" by Anthony Williams and youyrs truly (due to be printed in UK next year)

 

[GEM]

The SW 942 - one made and given to Wiley Clapp.
The SW 547 - love to see an update version with modern materials.

Shotgun News had a piece on top break revolvers. Like to see that modern Russian one and perhaps a new one from the USA. Didn't Casull or someone once mention thinking about it.

 

[Dr.Rob]

Ruger's XG-1

A Mini 14 in .308.

That would have been cool.

Those AK killers look like planet of the apes rifles... which in reality was an M-1 Carbine encased in a steel stock painted to look like wood.

 

[GunnySkox]

Um, heh, don't we call a Mini-14 in .308 an M1A? AFAIK, the Mini-14 and 30 are scaled down versions of the M1A/Garand action.

In other news, I love mah Mini!

~Slam_Fire
"It seems I have forgotten my lunch. I will have to eat... MY PANTS!"

 

[jason10mm]

the .45 ACP H&K P7

 

[LiquidTension]

I second the .45acp P7.

Uh, where do the spent shells eject on that Korobov?