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Aaryq

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Howdy folks. I had a situation last week where I came out of a CVS pharmacy in a "so-so" neighborhood. A little background information about me, I'm an African American (mixed). I was approached by an African American gentleman asking for help. He needed a jump and was standing next to a security guard. For some reason my gut kicked in and I wanted to leave this situation as soon as possible. I told him that my jumper cables were stolen the week prior (which was true) so I couldn't help. He said he had 2 kids in the car and would go into the store and buy the jumper cables if I would help him. I wanted to agree and then drive off. My friend, who is also a Marine said to disregard my gut feeling and help the guy out because if anything nasty came out of it, there would be 2 to 1 odds (3 to 1 if the security guard stepped in). Long story short, we give him a jump, shake hands, and leave without incident. I was unarmed but returning from the range had had a 9mm Ruger P89 with JHP's in my trunk (the gun was in a locked box in my trunk and the ammo was in my range bag).

When do you trust your gut and when do you think you're paranoid or (gasp!) profiling?
**EDIT** Also Critique me on what I did right and wrong
 
I can remember the day when you could hitchhike safely, leave your door unlocked and stop and help someone change a flat without having to feel paranoid. I just live with the paranoid feeling now, lock my doors, never hitchhike but am still a sucker to help a motorist in distress. A certain amount of trust helps stave off the collapse of civility and kindness in our society.

I say you did good to listen to your gut, apply caution and lend a helping hand.
 
I have learned to trust my gut.
(From not trusting it and bad things happening)

A gun locked in the trunk is no good.

He might of had 4 guys waiting to jump you...

I still stop and help stranded motorists... with my hand on a CCW and keeping the car between us...
I sometimes pick up hitchikers... and they don't know it but there is a pistol in my far hand...

One guy set off my 'spider sense' too late... we drove ~5 miles with him having a .357 pointing at his chest... but he didn't know it.


Trust the gut, your subconcious notices things you don't.
 
Your first mistake is living somewhere that doesn't have shall-issue CCW. :D

Better too paranoid than not paranoid enough. Personally, the presence of the kids and the willingness of the guy to approach two guys instead of a person on their own would have convinced me that he was legit. What time of day was it?

That Ruger in the trunk might as well have been on the moon.

If you've decided to be the jerk, don't hang around and argue. Just a simple "I cannot help you sir!" and get on your way. Let them talk about what a meanie you are as you're driving away. Works for me.
 
I agree, a firearm in the trunk is pretty much useless if you're unarmed. But trusting your instincts is always a good idea. If there's any doubt, there is no doubt.
 
The only gut feeling I trust 100% is growling hunger.
Ees a beeeg prohvlem, no?

Seriously though, the situation as you described it looked okay,
though these days you never know just how many accomplices
are hiding to back up an ostensibly lone BG.
 
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Flip to page 68 of the June 2007 issue of Psychology Today. You'll love it.

Anyways, go with your gut. If you sense something wrong, then act as if there's something wrong. Maybe the guy wasn't up to anything at all, but then again maybe he was.

To be fair, if he was up to anything, your Marine friend probably stopped it just by being there. I wouldn't mess with a Marine, either.
 
2 to 1 odds, 3 to 1 odds, they mean nothing if the BG has a gun. Just ask the kids at VT. Trust your instincts, you may offend some one occasionally but at least you will be alive to offend another day.
 
I can remember the day when you could hitchhike safely, leave your door unlocked and stop and help someone change a flat without having to feel paranoid.

The date was August 11, 1965.

At least in Los Angeles
 
You know that old saw: "Animals can sense '___' before it happens...."

The fact is that we ALL are hard wired to be able to detect subtle vagaries in our surroundings that key us in to the fact that danger may be imminent. Picking up on that certain something that you cannot quite put your finger on but makes you very uneasy is often referred to as "your gut feeling." In the wild, we wouldn't even think twice about listening to our gut. We would simply heed our instincts. However, in polite society, we have been conditioned to ignore our basic wiring. Our insular surroundings make it so that we are discouraged from heeding our gut feelings and reacting accordingly by the presence of police and other variants of social services. Certainly this is good and bad. Living with my safety off and the pin straightened 24 hrs per day is exhausting and no way to enjoy life.

I do not think that I have ever EVER been able to ignore my gut feeling, though, without something bad occurring. Perhaps the instance in this thread's scenario was an anomaly. Perhaps, the guy subtly waved off his accomplices as he knew that they would be facing prepared men and not unaware victims. Who knows?

I would like to think that it was the former and a decent family guy received some help from two honest guys who didn't take advantage of his vulnerability and that in the future he would be better prepared to take care of matters.

Here's a thought as well... Perhaps the guy asking for help was armed and VERY capable with his weapon, and therefor felt like he could safely ask a stranger or two for assistance as he felt he could protect his family and himself.

All's well that ends well.
 
sadly I feel the social masses have degraded a little. often I try to understand what was done wrong to create such numbers of predators. even children are hunted. have we been too soft on BG's? have we not taught our children well? is it simply too many broken families? are we selfish? I'll stop
 
I think you did okay. The marine helped (even if the guard was a fake [my first thought before getting to the happy ending]).
The only thing that keeps me in 'condition yellow' (especially when out and about) is the idea that the only time "S" will ever "HTF" is going to be when I'm completely unprepared. Who was Murphy anyway? <- Not a hijack attempt...
 
....could'a, would'a, should'a........ya did what ya did. Prognosticating (predicting) the future has never been accurate, and dealing with the "moment" is the basis for Life. Move on. (maybe) Ya learned something. Sometimes ya go with your "gut", sometimes ya don't. YOUR call; no one can make YOUR decision and Monday-morning-quarterback-ing just don't count. (Unless you LIKE living under a microscope)
 
I was told once that a "gut feeling" is your sub-conscious interpreting information and data that is in conflict with what your conscious eyes are seeing. I always listen to my gut feeling. Sounds like you challenged your feelings and went with what turned out to be a helpful and nice act. I like what Harry Paget Flashman said:

I say you did good to listen to your gut, apply caution and lend a helping hand.

Mike
 
I'm not sure what anyones ethnicity had to add to the story, especially your odd comment about being 'mixed'.

But my question to you would be where was the car? Was it in the CVS parking lot or not in sight? If the car was in the lot and the kids could be seen I would be much more likely to want to help him.
 
You're not paranoid if they really are up to something.

I always trust my gut. I don't care if I seem cold, harsh, or unfeeling. All I care about is not getting shot.
 
I think you did fine. It is good to be aware and cautious, but helping out makes the world better. While anything can happen, thugs don't usually hang out with security guards outside CVS asking for help. Was the car nearby? I concur with answerguy, I don't see how race is relevant.

I also don't think you would have done wrong to say no either. Sometimes I am too busy, grumpy, tired or unskilled or whatever to help people out. No obligation to help, but I try to help when I can.
 
I'm not sure what anyones ethnicity had to add to the story, especially your odd comment about being 'mixed'.

Well, for the first, I'm going to guess it has something to do with the fact that he was 1) in a bad neighborhood, and that 2) black males are the most likely statistical group to commit a violent crime. There's nothing racist about it.

Not sure why he mentioned that he's "mixed", other than to possibly explain why the guy came up to him.

As for fear and "gut instinct", it's there for a reason. Best thing you can do is to never outright ignore it, but act in as civilized a manner as possible given the environment, always trying to be "one level" more civilized than your surrounding area, if possible. That "gut instinct" is an response of your aggregate knowledge and experience and, while likely flawed if you're in an unusual (for you) situation, it can still help provide you with guideance.
 
i'm in the uk and things dont usally turn out as lethel here but uou should of listen to ya gut, the 1st response is usually the correct one. try my idea - ask a off the subject question that should get an instant reply and shouldn't offend. example ; whats the names of the kids ? if you get an er, erm or pause - no no - if the guy challenges ya as to why ya ask or whats that gotta do with anything a quick reply about how you though you saw the guy dropin his kids off at your own kids school -catch me ? the question you ask has to test 2 things, honesty and attitude. try it with every day small things and soon you'll able to pull it out double quick, its a B***S*** buster that usually only the honest and decent survive.
 
Join AAA

Join American Auto Association or a like automobile club.

Then you can use one of your emergency visits to call a jump for the guy.

But with two people and him having kids (I know its not a sure thing but it makes it less likely he's a BG) in the car I think you did right by helping him out.
 
Howdy folks. I had a situation last week where I came out of a CVS pharmacy in a "so-so" neighborhood. I was approached by an African American gentleman asking for help. He needed a jump and was standing next to a security guard. For some reason my gut kicked in and I wanted to leave this situation as soon as possible... When do you trust your gut and when do you think you're paranoid or (gasp!) profiling?

First thing, is there are lotsa good people living in bad neighborhoods. Usually they weren't always bad neighborhoods. I would say MOST of the people in even the worst neighborhoods are good people, especially if you are not out at 4:00 a.m. So that wouldn't be a big consideration with me. That's not to say that I wouldn't be on an elevated alert status in a bad neighborhood, just that it wouldn't make me assume that everyone is a crook.

Second thing is that most people aren't very good under stress. Even seasoned criminals are by and large inept. There are exceptions, but they are a very small minority. You will usually see movements and strange reactions before something bad happens.

Regarding gut feeling, you should always pay attention to it. In fact, strive to be more sensitive and your environment. Situational awareness may be the difference between life and death some day. Those in dangerous professions or who end up in dangerous situations environments often seem to develop this. Watch people. Think why are they doing that? What should they be doing? What shouldn't they be doing? What bad things could the be doing?

However, just having you spideysense tingling doesn't mean that bad things are about to happen. It may just be that something triggered some repressed memory. Some psychologists say that any sense can trigger a memory and suggest that smell may be the most effective at trigger repressed memories.

I'm not saying the guy smelled, but rather you don't know why you were having a visceral reaction to the situation. When this sort of thing happens to me, I first take a deep breath and assess the situation. Take a full survey. If I think it through and there are no other things that cause me concern (actions fo the other person, glances into the bushes, suspicious bulge, too many people standing about or whatever), then I decide which way to proceed.

Racism or profiling isn't a concern for you. You are a private figure. It shouldn't enter the equation. If someone is dressed like a street thug, whether black, white, or green you should pay them extra attention. They may be a pretender, or maybe not. We all know people who appear to be something other than they are. There are tens of millions who don't fit certain stereotypes. Some days I look like a preppy, some days a hippy, and some days a mall ninja.

I don't know of a "tactical" way to jump start a car. By that I mean no uberninja way to do it without an infantry company supporting me. But I wouldn't hesitate if I wasn't seeing bad signals that put me on red alert.

Life is about risks. Sitting here at my computer is risky. Driving to work, risky. But we decide what risks we are willing to take. I think I'd probably help the guy, but I don't look like a victim (tall and in pretty good shape) and always have an P2000 on me. Since some of the guys on this list say they sleep with 2 1911s on their pajama belts and carry a stainless J frame and a neckknife in the shower, I guess I know what some will say. If you choose not to next, no sweat. You don't owe the rest of the world a thing. You decide what risk you are willing to take.
 
Aaryq,
You did good. You're the sheepdog and you had a buddy. So long as you don't turn your back on anyone. Ever!
Semper Fi !!
 
I think what you are experiencing is simply awareness. I perk up any time someone steps towards me directly. Just today outside Sam's I had a lady walking briskly straight at me about 10 steps outside the store as I was returning my cart...she just wanted to take the cart off my hands and use it for herself, but until I knew that I didn't let my guard down.

Same thing in the mall last week when a fellow was walking up quickly behind me almost straight at me. I guided my girlfriend over to the side and stopped and did a slight turn towards him and looked him dead in the face when he was about 5 feet behind me. He immediately stopped, about-faced and walked just as briskly the other way. Could have been something, could have been nothing, but being aware of your surroundings is definitely a good thing.
 
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