GW & AG Gonzales want 1993 Crime Bill Permanent

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You may not see or hear much about it but GW in his book "A Fresh Start for America" writes he believes in that gun control law. In the recent Attorney General conformation hearings the new AG Alberto Gonzales said that he and GW had the same beliefs in gun control. They want to resurrect the 1993 Crime Bill: Semi-auto and magazine capacity ban .

What ever happened to AG.Ashcroft? He was the 1st in decades of AG's to state openly and on the record that the 2nd Amendment was a Individual's Right to keep and bear arms. I guess he was to good to last.

I had a empty feeling GW would do this after the election because he couldn't afford to lose the NRA or pro-firearm vote for his last presidential term. I try to figure why do high up politicians not trust who voted for them. Could it be that in the world they live in, getting so much advise from the "intelligence & security advisors" that they get paranoid? Stuff we never hear about. Could get overwhelming I guess.
 
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I am no Bush fan, but I don't think he or Gonzales plan on resurrecting the AWB, despite being on record as supporting it.

Ascroft also supported the ban. Ashcroft's opinion that the 2nd Amendment is and individual right is now irrelevant.
 
Uh, GW and the AG can't "resurrect" the AWB.

That's the job of something called "Congress?"

See any political will in Congress to do such a thing?

hillbilly
 
It is my sincerest hope that I don’t have to say “I told you so” to the G. W. Bush apologists sometime in the next four years.

~G. Fink
 
It is my sincerest hope that I don’t have to say “I told you so†to the G. W. Bush apologists sometime in the next four years.
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Yes, Mr. Fink ... and I'm sure things would have been much better under President Kerry. :rolleyes:
 
A conservative? try he was a religious nut. He thought he could impose his God's will on people thru his political office. That is why he challenged Oregon's assisted suicide law (which was passed by voter referendum) 13 times in court, each challenge being overturned, only to be challenged again. You want an AG who thinks his religion is an excuse to deprive the voters of Oregon of their law? How about a Federal Judge who thinks a woman's life being in jeopardy becuase of pregnancy isn't a good excuse for her to have a choice to terminate said pregnancy? This is who Bush appoints, because he has to keep the looney toons right, he doesn't need RKBA supporters if 75%of you are already gonna vote for him because you don't have the mental capacity to understand the constitution. I guess he figures you don't understand the 2nd Amendment either, or maybe he thinks you don't care, since the political right regularly calls for voluntarily suspending others in the Bill of Rights, (like free press, who needs it if the reporters are gonna show when our marines execute wounded prisoners, right? Or free speech, if said speech involves me going to one of my president's re-election rallies and protesting a decision he has made.) I guess that makes it hard for him to take you seriously. That is one of the few things he and I agree on.
 
"What could he (Kerry) accomplish with a Republican Congress?

What does having R's in Congress have to do in immunizing us from a repeat of the AWB?

If all the R's on Congress had stood a might taller in days gone by there would have been no '93 legislation/AWB. Wasn't the "he" in that case named Clinton and didn't some of the R's of that time vote in favor of it?

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Relax...it is important to remember that the voice in your head may be wrong sometimes :D

Mine are wrong all the time.....but they still don't like you :evil:
 
The "advantage" to RKBA of an R congress and a D president would have been the "politics as usual" oppositon on the issue. Congress and the D-president would have been polarized and continued vocal opposition from congressional constituants (Us) would have kept any efforts to use the presidency as a platform to advance "gun control" as usless as shouting in the storm.The R-congress would have heard the pro-RKBA community because they would have wanted to ignore the D-president.

With an R-congress and R-president we are far more likely to find that there is no party loyalty to the RKBA community and that any effort out of the Executive to support "gun control" will be met with minimal opposition from within the R-congress. Remember that it only takes just enough R-congresscritters to fall onto the wrong side of this argument for the R-president to "keep his promise" and sign another AWB-like bill that squeeks through congress.
 
All I posted is just what is in GW's book "A Fresh Start for America", printed 1999, page 205 he states , among other items,
GW SUPPORTS:

stonger enforcement of existing gun laws, funding for aggressive gun law programs such as Projecy Exile in Richmond Virginia.

instant background checks at gun shows.....

the current ban on automatic weapons. (Thier text, verbatem)

banning juveniles from possesion of semi-automatic "assualt weapons.

increase the minimum age for possesion of a handgun from 18 to 21.

ban the importation of foriegn made , "high-capacity" ammunition clips.

voluntary safety locks.

Before you flame me that's GW's book not mine. I still voted for him both times, and Geo. the 1st because of the alternatives I felt were worse for our 2nd Amendment Rights.
 
One has to wonder how many times certain people can be so wrong in public and still believe themselves.

Certain Bush detractors were crying wolf that Bush would renew the AWB especially during the gun suit immunity debate. When that push didn't materialize when GWB demanded a "clean" bill, they were then certain a last second horse trade would be in the works on some "must pass bill."

Then September 14 passed without incident, but they were sure that something would be done as part of the presidential campaign since Bush would be a lame duck. Didn't happen. Now, he appoints his gun control friendly buddy as AG, and that is the latest reverberation from the crack of doom.

I am sure that in about three years, it will be loud public wailing and gnashing of teeth that the Republican nominee is going to renew the AWB.

How many more mulligans are you guys going to demand?
 
So G. W. Bush would veto a renewed “assault-weapons†ban now? Keep dreaming …
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Hypotheticals. If the dog hadn't stopped........
The point is, a renewal was never presented for signature because he didn't ask Congress for it. That's the bottom line. If you had somebody better, why didn't you run him?
 
Someone referred to Bush voters as apologists. "We", whoever that is, for the most part understood Bush was better than the alternative. To use the apologist label for a Bush vote is not honest, as any one who cares about the Second Amendment and voted for Kerry defines Apologist. Actually, anyone who voted for Kerry and believes in the 2nd defines Sophist.

The posters are correct the AWB can't get through Congress. Voting for Kerry would have weakened the overall status of the 2nd Amendment, however. Never forget that 50% of FFL holders under Clinton were bureacratcised out of business by the President directing new BATF regs.

A vote for Kerry was an anti Iraq war vote. I understand that. My problem with Kerry, is even if I could forget he is among the premier gun grabbers in elected office, is there is no John Kerry. He is a postion by poll.
He exists on paper and on screen as a collection of dots. He is not a man. He is not a man to lead in crisis. Whatever else Bush is or is not, for a President, he has remarkably clear ideas. You know where he stands on many issues. Kerry does not stand; he hops, skips, and jumps. For persons without clear vision he is a Godsend.

munk
 
I describe gun owners who describe G. W. Bush as a pro-RKBA President, despite his repeated support for the “assault-weapons†ban and other gun-control “laws,†as apologists. I never said John Kerry would have been better, but I don’t think he really would have been much worse either.

~G. Fink
 
I respect the first part of your statement, Mr Fink; that George Bush could hardly be described as pro RTKBA. But he did appoint Ashcroft, who championed the Second as an individual right, and the AWB not withstanding, he was generally 'pro gun', or often not, "anti gun". His support for the AWB was hardly fervent- never once lobbying his own party for passage. He paid lip service.
To say, though, that you doubt Kerry would be much different is fantastic on it's face. What is there in his entire voting record against guns, for licensing, and limiting access, that you find comparable at all? Do you understand how this is far more 'apologist'?


munk
 
Look at Ashcroft on the 2nd Amendment.
"While some have argued that the Second Amendment guarantees only a 'collective' right of the States to maintain militias, I believe the Amendment's plain meaning and original intent prove otherwise. Like the First and Fourth Amendments, the Second Amendment protects the rights of 'the people,' which the Supreme Court has noted is a term of art that should be interpreted consistently throughout the Bill of Rights. ... Of course, the individual rights view of the Second Amendment does not prohibit Congress from enacting laws restricting firearms ownership for compelling state interests ... just as the First Amendment does not prohibit [government from legislating against] shouting 'fire' in a crowded movie theater. "

And Charles Schumer.
"The broad principle that there is an individual right to bear arms is shared by many Americans, including myself. I'm of the view that you can't take a broad approach to other rights, such as First Amendment rights, and then interpret the Second Amendment so narrowly that it could fit in a thimble. But I'm also of the view that there are limits on those rights. Just as you can't falsely shout fire in a crowded movie theater, you can put restrictions on who can own guns and how, when, and where they may be possessed."

Hmmm...
 
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