JFrame
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To the OP -- to supplement what others have said, I put a Knoxx SpecOps stock (for the Remington 870) on my Pardner... Works great! 
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Except that the people who have real live, first hand experience with those shotguns say otherwise.
Note, I am not one of those people. The most experience I have was picking up one of the Chinese clones of an Ithaca 37 in the LGS and noting that the barrel felt very thick and heavy (similar to Mossberg's 590). But that's as much as I can say. My pumps are all Mossbergs.
Meanwhile, the OP's question was about parts interchanging, which seems to be asked and answered. How the heck did this get derailed into bashing products from one country or another, and a urination competition over quality of similar shotguns?
I'm guessing you haven't had these shotguns side by side if your saying the qaulity isn't there. My pardner does just fine against the remys/mossbergs. And for budget shotguns does way better then the stevens/Charles daily guns.
Barry the Bear
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I used mine in three gun and even a few combat shotgun classes , was it a classic holland and holland , hello no! But it has seen in excess of over 10,000 rounds of various ammo and still going strong . China can make some stuff believe it or not, no one talks bad about norinco 1911s.
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Based on the experiences I have had lately from Remington from their "new" and "budget" line firearms (770, Express shotguns) I would consider an HR Pardner over another Express 870. I bought an Express 870 new and it was no better in fit or finish than the HR Pardner on the other shelf and $200 less. If I knew then what I know now, I probably would have bought the HR. Hindsight and all.
All those Chinese clones including Savage Ithaca 37 and Norinco Winchester 1897 are crowbars. That alone would prevent my from ever buying one. One the other hand old vintage 2&3/4 smoothbore Ithaca Deerslayer handles like the magic wand. I would like to thank H&R Pardner owners for buying them as this makes Chinese happy and makes them less likely to attack us. Thanks for keeping America safe. Hasta la vista, folks.
MCgunner
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Mechanically, the smart phone (I don't own one, believe it or not) is simple compared to a pump shotgun. Apples and oranges. If you want simple, look for an H&R single shot. Unfortunately, they don't make 'em anymore, but there's plenty of used single shots around.
tacmedicp94
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I bought my Pardner Pump because I needed a rifled slug gun quickly. The Pardner Pump with a rifled barrel and a smooth barrel with rem chokes was cheaper than buying a rifled barrel for my 1100. I knew when I bought it that it was a Chinese gun and it gets treated like one. For dove, skeet, and trap my 1100 gets the nod. When it's raining outside, or when hunting in Indiana in the snow and sleet the Pardner comes out. It has never failed to go bang when I pull the trigger and it has not rusted at all. Accuracy out to 150yds with the rifled barrel and slugs in minute of deer all day long. If an 870 had been available with 2 barrels for the $230 that I paid for the Pardner I would have bought the 870 instead. but for what it is, the Pardner has really impressed me.
To the OP- as others have stated everything is interchangeable. Barrels take a little work, but it can be done.
To the OP- as others have stated everything is interchangeable. Barrels take a little work, but it can be done.
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I have a few of em.
Wouldn't buy an 870 ever anymore.
They are for all intents and purposes built by Norinco. It just says Hawk Industries because of Slick Willy.
Norinco has always built very strong guns.
Funny how those Polytech AKs still fetch the most bucks.
Also how Norinco was one of the few 1911 frames Clark would build on.
Fantastic buy. Not the prettiest girl at the party but she can sure dance better than the rest.
Wouldn't buy an 870 ever anymore.
They are for all intents and purposes built by Norinco. It just says Hawk Industries because of Slick Willy.
Norinco has always built very strong guns.
Funny how those Polytech AKs still fetch the most bucks.
Also how Norinco was one of the few 1911 frames Clark would build on.
Fantastic buy. Not the prettiest girl at the party but she can sure dance better than the rest.
Oldschool shooter
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All exterior goodies that for 870 will fit your Pardner Pump. 870 Wingmaster is an awesome pump gun. I got rid of my 870 Express, compared to Wingmaster it was rough as a corncob. Replaced the express with a pardner pump and don't regret it for one minute.
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I had the field version of the pardner pump for a couple of years and perhaps put in about 500 rounds through it. Not an exhaustive test by any means. It's very solid and seemingly well made for the price. At first I had issues with shells getting stuck after firing. However that went away after smoothing out the chamber as is recommended on 870's when they have sticky chambers.
Everything felt solid on it and it always fired. I used it for clays until my dad got a Beretta 3901 that he didn't use much- one that I borrow- and it points much better for me. Also, it's much lighter to boot.
I did have a collar that allowed one to put on regular Remington barrels. The barrel fit, but I never fired it with it- so I could say anything there. I guess most parts are supposed to swap fine, but I have never done so or have seen pics online of people doing it.
The only issue I notice was that the part the bolt slides on (where the bolt goes right on top of, part 57 in the diagram I'm looking at), showed a lot of wear- rounded corners and edges. Thing is, I don't know if it was like that when I got it, or just wore in that way.
If $199 was absolutely all you had, or if you get one at Cabelas when they have a sale on them, and you don't mind putting in a little elbow grease if needed, they work.
Everything felt solid on it and it always fired. I used it for clays until my dad got a Beretta 3901 that he didn't use much- one that I borrow
- and it points much better for me. Also, it's much lighter to boot.I did have a collar that allowed one to put on regular Remington barrels. The barrel fit, but I never fired it with it- so I could say anything there. I guess most parts are supposed to swap fine, but I have never done so or have seen pics online of people doing it.
The only issue I notice was that the part the bolt slides on (where the bolt goes right on top of, part 57 in the diagram I'm looking at), showed a lot of wear- rounded corners and edges. Thing is, I don't know if it was like that when I got it, or just wore in that way.
If $199 was absolutely all you had, or if you get one at Cabelas when they have a sale on them, and you don't mind putting in a little elbow grease if needed, they work.
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If you understand who and what norinco is that alone is enough to keep me from buying it! I have had a 97 copy and a nearly new pre-ban norinco AK The A.K. went bag and sent lead down range, but my Smooth bore 56 cal muzzle loader is more accurate at 50 yards the 97 clone I would classify as just ok . My experience with heat treating machines and how the company handled chinese steel puts them in the I won't bet my life on them catagory. just to go out and make noise the gun will work . I will still support American worker and buy remington
Roy
P.S. both above mentioned guns were bought dirt cheap with the intention of flipping them for a profit which I did
gyvel
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True enough, but light yellow sparks generally mean low carbon mild steel. Orange sparks aren't the end-all to determine steel quality, but it is a pretty good general indicator.
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If a guy is testing MY gun with a file and telling me what kind of steel it is made of, You have no idea how fast I'll be going through the door leaving!
Virginian
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I am totally not into cheap shotguns, or shotties, tactical, or Chinese guns period, so I won't comment.
Scooter22
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I picked up a 12ga, 18" Pardner around the holidays last year for 159.00 new. I have a 12ga 1970 Wingmaster. I was very surprised at how smooth the Pardner was. I had handled Remington Exspress models and Maverick 88. No comparison. Way smoother and more solid. Like my old Wingmaster. At 25-30 yards it keeps all 9 pellets centered on a paper plate. At 50yards sighting down that flat top receiver it keeps 1 oz. slugs on a 6" paper plate untill you start flinching. We have put several 100 rounds of mixed shell through it without a hiccup. I'll pick another up if they get that cheap again. Great HD shotgun.
If your that concerned over the hardness of the steel in one of your weapons than take it to someone who has a rockwell testing ability and see how much you can shrink your wallet.
I've seen more than a couple master gunsmiths test there tempering work with a file. The original comment about testing with a file was not to determine the type of steel but the hardness of the tempering. It doesn't tell you everything but it does indicate some aspects of the quality of a steel part.
So go to a master smith and ask him to make you a spring for example. Then sit back and watch what he all uses that file for. When you protest his use for checking hardness of his work you won't have to go throught the door - he might show you where a window is located.
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Chances are a Master Smith won't be working on one of the guns people have talked about in this thread.
Scooter22
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Yup. Hard to fix something that ain't broke. But some of that stuff coming out of Remington the last decade or so. A master smith would be embarrassed.
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