H110 - 44 Mag?
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P95Carry
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I think Hogdon has it in mind that too much load reduction may result in ''detonation'' risks ........ at very least - it seems they want a pretty full case with little or no space remaining.
I am starting to play with H-110 but have to say - Viht N-110 is best ever mag powder I have used ... and if I run out of that then will still not shed a tear to have to revert to good ol' 2400. I know with both these powders I can reliably get the max (but safe) loads if I wish. If I really want to downsize the load then I switch to a faster powder and find a charge to suit too.
Blue Dot is good for ''stiff'' loads and my old long range load (approx a 44 spl type of loading) was 8.5 grains Red Dot behind a Keith cast SWC - worked good.
I think it is wise to follow the recommendations for H-110. Wish it was not such a darned fine (granule size) powder tho!
I am starting to play with H-110 but have to say - Viht N-110 is best ever mag powder I have used ... and if I run out of that then will still not shed a tear to have to revert to good ol' 2400. I know with both these powders I can reliably get the max (but safe) loads if I wish. If I really want to downsize the load then I switch to a faster powder and find a charge to suit too.
Blue Dot is good for ''stiff'' loads and my old long range load (approx a 44 spl type of loading) was 8.5 grains Red Dot behind a Keith cast SWC - worked good.
I think it is wise to follow the recommendations for H-110. Wish it was not such a darned fine (granule size) powder tho!
Clark
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I have been shooting 44 mag 240 gr JHP 24 gr H110 for the better part of a decade. Great load.
I have also experimented with reduced H110 loads in 45Colt, 9mm etc.
The crimp makes the difference.
Heavy roll crimps help the ball powder get lit before the pressure goes down.
Hodgdon tells me that there is no detonation danger with H110, just and stuck bullet danger.
I have also experimented with reduced H110 loads in 45Colt, 9mm etc.
The crimp makes the difference.
Heavy roll crimps help the ball powder get lit before the pressure goes down.
Hodgdon tells me that there is no detonation danger with H110, just and stuck bullet danger.
P95Carry
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Useful info Clark - I was unsure re ''detonation'' issue. So mostly it is ''gettin the sucker lit up''! 
"Why would a 5% or 10% reduction in powder be harder to lite than a full load? And why is this just in the slower powders?"
It`s not harder to ignite, just harder to keep burning. You need to get the powder burning fully ( or enough of it) before the bullet starts moveing and pressures start dropping to insure the powder fully burns and at the proper rate.
Powders need pressure to burn properly, try lighting a small pile of powder out on your drive and you`ll find it just fizzles. Also the higher the pressure the more heat you have to inforce the burn, burn rate is mostly controled by deterants and with low pressure/ temps the slower powder doesn`t fully ignite. A fast powder will ignite more easily and bring pressures up faster, insuring the powder burns as designed.
It`s not harder to ignite, just harder to keep burning. You need to get the powder burning fully ( or enough of it) before the bullet starts moveing and pressures start dropping to insure the powder fully burns and at the proper rate.
Powders need pressure to burn properly, try lighting a small pile of powder out on your drive and you`ll find it just fizzles. Also the higher the pressure the more heat you have to inforce the burn, burn rate is mostly controled by deterants and with low pressure/ temps the slower powder doesn`t fully ignite. A fast powder will ignite more easily and bring pressures up faster, insuring the powder burns as designed.
Ben Shepherd
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You can run reduced loads w/h110, it's just not very efficient. The key is a hard bullet pull.
Not only the crimp is involved, you need very high neck tension as well. I've found this to be more critical than the crimp in reducing velocity spreads on shot strings over my chrono.
Try a redding "profile crimp" die. I'll gaurantee you'll never look back.
Not only the crimp is involved, you need very high neck tension as well. I've found this to be more critical than the crimp in reducing velocity spreads on shot strings over my chrono.
Try a redding "profile crimp" die. I'll gaurantee you'll never look back.
Mannlicher
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I like the Hodgen H-110 for my Marlin 1894 deer loads. I use a Speer 270 grain GDSP over 21 grains of powder.
I did load down once, but the accuracy fell way off. I went back to the full power load.
I did load down once, but the accuracy fell way off. I went back to the full power load.
ftierson
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I have used 22.0 and 23.0 grain loads of H110 behind the Rem. and Win. 240gr JHP/SHP bullets in a Winchester M94 trapper carbine. These "reduced" (from the listed max. load of 24.0gr) loads have worked just fine for me. Again, as others have mentioned, a good stout crimp is the key when using H110 in the .44Mag (or the .357Mag, for that matter).
Clark is correct about no problem with detonation with reduced loads with H110 (unlike slow rifle powders in reduced loads). The problem (with reduced loads) has to do with consistent ignition/burning, as many have mentioned.
I should also probably mention that I started with 22.0 grain loads, and I now don't load lighter than 23.0gr (with the 240gr bullet heavily crimped). I usually use the 23.0gr load.
Clark is correct about no problem with detonation with reduced loads with H110 (unlike slow rifle powders in reduced loads). The problem (with reduced loads) has to do with consistent ignition/burning, as many have mentioned.
I should also probably mention that I started with 22.0 grain loads, and I now don't load lighter than 23.0gr (with the 240gr bullet heavily crimped). I usually use the 23.0gr load.
Poodleshooter
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A light load of H110 will leave you with lots of unburned or partially burned (yellowed) powder flakes in your bore,and a very slow velocity assuming the bullet doesn't stick in the bore. Ol' Joe's explanation as to why it does that is on the money.
Amy
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I believe that the caution on reduced loads with H110 has to do with pressures getting quickly out of hand. If this is an issue with you change powders.
I've always liked H110 and W296, which I've been told are the very same thing, though I don't take that claim at face value.
My pet load in my .44 Anaconda is my hand cast 300 gr. gas checked LSWC with 20 grains H110, magnum primer, firm crimp. Lovely round on milk jugs at 300 meters
Death to all milk jugs!!!
Amy
I've always liked H110 and W296, which I've been told are the very same thing, though I don't take that claim at face value.
My pet load in my .44 Anaconda is my hand cast 300 gr. gas checked LSWC with 20 grains H110, magnum primer, firm crimp. Lovely round on milk jugs at 300 meters
Death to all milk jugs!!!
Amy
caz223
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Why use something like H110 or 296 if you're going to reduce it for less power?
H110 is a slow powder meant for magnum rounds, and oodles of power.
Why would anyone go UNDER listed loads?
If you want less power, go with a faster burning powder...
H110 is a slow powder meant for magnum rounds, and oodles of power.
Why would anyone go UNDER listed loads?
If you want less power, go with a faster burning powder...
caz223
Quote - “Why would anyone go UNDER listed loads?â€
When I had bullets stick in my barrel the load I used was a listed load. This was before the powder makers had a warning about reducing loads with slow powders. I’ve also stuck bullets with listed loads for other calibers too. I don’t recommend reducing slow powders. My question was why reducing slower powders made bullets sometimes stick and I believe Ol` Joe answered it.
Quote - “Why would anyone go UNDER listed loads?â€
When I had bullets stick in my barrel the load I used was a listed load. This was before the powder makers had a warning about reducing loads with slow powders. I’ve also stuck bullets with listed loads for other calibers too. I don’t recommend reducing slow powders. My question was why reducing slower powders made bullets sometimes stick and I believe Ol` Joe answered it.
LAH
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Clark said: I have been shooting 44 mag 240 gr JHP 24 gr H110 for the better part of a decade. Great load.
I must agree whole heartly.
I must agree whole heartly.
P95Carry
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mbartel - I too doubt the milk jugs but - will say this ....
Back in 80's I used my Redhawk for longe range at Bisley range, UK. We shot at 100 and 300. The target at 300 was as you'd imagine - BIG! maybe 8 x 10 .... but I will say that if my sights were dialed in right - and of course it was from a rest - then even my humble equivalent of .44 spl loads, could and did hit within an area size of gallon milk jug - albeit not too often!
So - place milk jug - let me dial in and settle and I'll hit a jug at least once - probably twice in a 10 shot string. Sure, it is a ''howitzer'' trajectory - but amazingly consistent.
Back in 80's I used my Redhawk for longe range at Bisley range, UK. We shot at 100 and 300. The target at 300 was as you'd imagine - BIG! maybe 8 x 10 .... but I will say that if my sights were dialed in right - and of course it was from a rest - then even my humble equivalent of .44 spl loads, could and did hit within an area size of gallon milk jug - albeit not too often!
So - place milk jug - let me dial in and settle and I'll hit a jug at least once - probably twice in a 10 shot string. Sure, it is a ''howitzer'' trajectory - but amazingly consistent.
I got no problem believin' someone who casts bullets for a living can develop the skill to hit a milk jug with a scoped revolver at 300m enough times in a session to make it interesting. All I would have to say to that is "cool, can I try?"
Amy, what's the drop at that range? I was shootin' 300gr hard cast over 19.5gr of H110 in mine...I didn't take her out that far though!
Amy, what's the drop at that range? I was shootin' 300gr hard cast over 19.5gr of H110 in mine...I didn't take her out that far though!
Ben Shepherd
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We're sidetracked a little here, I think.
I'll jump in for Amy here. Due to nerve damage in my support arm, rifles without a rest are no good for me. SO.....I learned how to shoot a magnum pistol at longer distances. I don't doubt her for one second.
I CAN, and DO hit clay pigeons hung on a board at 100 yards quite often with my 9.5" 44 super redhawk, in front of witnesses, if you want names and phone numbers send me a pm. Long range pistol work can be done folks!!!!
(Sorry I just get a little torqued when people say a pistol is worthless beyond 50 or 75 yards.)
The load I use is a laser-cast 245gr SWC in front of 22.5 grains of 2400, in winchester brass, lit by a federal magnum primer. This load does 1550 @ the muzzle in my SRH. This load is at or above current published maximums-use at your own risk!!
As for the load that is the subject of the original question: Make sure you have high bullet pull & a good crimp both.
Endnote: Let's all remember this is the high road folks, we're all on the same side.
I'll jump in for Amy here. Due to nerve damage in my support arm, rifles without a rest are no good for me. SO.....I learned how to shoot a magnum pistol at longer distances. I don't doubt her for one second.
I CAN, and DO hit clay pigeons hung on a board at 100 yards quite often with my 9.5" 44 super redhawk, in front of witnesses, if you want names and phone numbers send me a pm. Long range pistol work can be done folks!!!!
(Sorry I just get a little torqued when people say a pistol is worthless beyond 50 or 75 yards.)
The load I use is a laser-cast 245gr SWC in front of 22.5 grains of 2400, in winchester brass, lit by a federal magnum primer. This load does 1550 @ the muzzle in my SRH. This load is at or above current published maximums-use at your own risk!!
As for the load that is the subject of the original question: Make sure you have high bullet pull & a good crimp both.
Endnote: Let's all remember this is the high road folks, we're all on the same side.
Steve Smith
Moderator Emeritus
Alright, this ain't my particular forum for Moderatin' but I'm sure John won't get too upset if I step in.
Amy, I see you're new here. I hope you stay and contribute often. That said, I don't think anyone was doubting your 300m milk jug statement because of your sex...it is a bold statement period! If you can do it, great! I don't care whether you're a woman, a man, or a little green humanoid with eliptical eyes from the planet Zandar if you can shoot and if you're on the right side of gun legislation. I would hazard the guess that everyone that has contributed to this thread feels the same way. Please stay here at THR, but please leave your concerns about your gender somewhere else when you log in...we are all just shooters here.
Amy, I see you're new here. I hope you stay and contribute often. That said, I don't think anyone was doubting your 300m milk jug statement because of your sex...it is a bold statement period! If you can do it, great! I don't care whether you're a woman, a man, or a little green humanoid with eliptical eyes from the planet Zandar if you can shoot and if you're on the right side of gun legislation. I would hazard the guess that everyone that has contributed to this thread feels the same way. Please stay here at THR, but please leave your concerns about your gender somewhere else when you log in...we are all just shooters here.
LAH
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Milk jugs @ 300 meters. Can it be done? A good sixgun, a good accurate load, and good scope, and good rest. AND If one can repeat their rest and grip and site picture, it can be done. Can it be done everytime? I can't. But it can be done enough, you wouldn't want to be sitting on the jug........HEE HEE
Case in point, just watch the big boys (and girls) shoot the steel.
Case in point, just watch the big boys (and girls) shoot the steel.
Jon Coppenbarger
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AMY
Paradise is one of the nice places in CA. I used to belong to the rifle and pistol club there. Is the range next the the lake right outside of Magalia still there? I have done the gun shows many times down the hill in Chico at the fair grounds.
Man it has been a few years and thanks as it does bring back a few good memories of CA. Very few but those were good ones.
I see more women getting into shooting sports and its great.
Hitting a milk jug at 300 I should think would be fairly easy with the right handgun and practice.
Thank you for posting.
Jon
Paradise is one of the nice places in CA. I used to belong to the rifle and pistol club there. Is the range next the the lake right outside of Magalia still there? I have done the gun shows many times down the hill in Chico at the fair grounds.
Man it has been a few years and thanks as it does bring back a few good memories of CA. Very few but those were good ones.
I see more women getting into shooting sports and its great.
Hitting a milk jug at 300 I should think would be fairly easy with the right handgun and practice.
Thank you for posting.
Jon
Amy
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guys,
I have found that if one zooms that 2-6x scope just right the target at 300 meters is right at the bottom of the vertical crosshair. After that it's just about marking the scope so you have that range for your load dialed in. You do not need to know the drop. Once you find the elevation in this manner you are set.
You weigh your bullets, weigh each charge on a balance scale, and load meticulously. Another thing I do is something I've been told is totally unnecessary by many, and that's trim each *straightwall case* to the precise same length. Why? Because that way the crimp is as uniform as possible on each round.
I have learned that the best advantage you can give yourself at the range, whether you are shooting rifle or pistol, is meticulous case prep. Uniformity of ammo also makes for greater accuracy once you are dialed in.
Amy
I have found that if one zooms that 2-6x scope just right the target at 300 meters is right at the bottom of the vertical crosshair. After that it's just about marking the scope so you have that range for your load dialed in. You do not need to know the drop. Once you find the elevation in this manner you are set.
You weigh your bullets, weigh each charge on a balance scale, and load meticulously. Another thing I do is something I've been told is totally unnecessary by many, and that's trim each *straightwall case* to the precise same length. Why? Because that way the crimp is as uniform as possible on each round.
I have learned that the best advantage you can give yourself at the range, whether you are shooting rifle or pistol, is meticulous case prep. Uniformity of ammo also makes for greater accuracy once you are dialed in.
Amy
The Bushmaster
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I wonder if I can make a long story short...Let me try. I went with a girl when I was 18 to 21 (1959 to '62). She was a NRA .22 rifle champion shooter. She would shoot at 100 yards using a Standard Remington rifle. Shooting indoors on a 50 yard range she could shoot circles around me. Out doors where there were various noises such as birds, squirrels and other noisey wild life (other boys and girls) I was able to shoot circles around her. I trained my wife and daughter to shoot. I have learned that women, if they apply themselves become better shots then men and they seem to come by it naturally. Just like men make better cooks then women if they apply themselves. I am a chauvinist male and proud of it, but I will side with you because I have seen it done by a young woman with a .22 Remington (we had gallon tin cans back then).
ftierson
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Amy, I have never been a woman in this business or sport either, but I think that you're over-reacting a little to Steve's comments...
And it was not Steve who came up with the several comments about feminism...
Methinks you object too much...
And, like Steve, I certainly welcome you to this forum...
Forrest
(I'm not a woman, nor have I played one on TV...)
And it was not Steve who came up with the several comments about feminism...
Methinks you object too much...
And, like Steve, I certainly welcome you to this forum...
Forrest
(I'm not a woman, nor have I played one on TV...)
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