Amy
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Ftierson,
You are entitled to your opinion.
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You are entitled to your opinion.
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H110 - 44 Mag?
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ftierson
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Yup.
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ftierson
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By the way, there is one small "problem" when using H110 that I probably should mention.
I use a Lee Perfect Powder measure to throw the powder charges for the .44 Mag. Although I like H110 very much, I find that the rotating cylinder/drum holding the drop tube begins to become quite stiff to rotate after a hundred or so charges are thrown. The size of the powder balls with H110 is so small that they tend to work into the rotating drum, partially "binding" it's rotation. It becomes stiffer and stiffer to rotate. I generally tighten the drum/body surface as much as possible before I start loading with H110, which tends to slow the penetration into the joint.
I have never had this same problem with H335/AA2230C/WC844/WC846/WC852, or other ball/spherical (or non-ball) powders, even after throwing thousands of H335 loads (for example).
Keep this "problem" in mind when using H110. Consistency of powder measure manipulation is important in charge consistency. Luckily, H110 is one of the most forgiving of powders when it comes to this situation (probably for the same reason that it causes the binding to begin with...small ball/grain size).
I use a Lee Perfect Powder measure to throw the powder charges for the .44 Mag. Although I like H110 very much, I find that the rotating cylinder/drum holding the drop tube begins to become quite stiff to rotate after a hundred or so charges are thrown. The size of the powder balls with H110 is so small that they tend to work into the rotating drum, partially "binding" it's rotation. It becomes stiffer and stiffer to rotate. I generally tighten the drum/body surface as much as possible before I start loading with H110, which tends to slow the penetration into the joint.
I have never had this same problem with H335/AA2230C/WC844/WC846/WC852, or other ball/spherical (or non-ball) powders, even after throwing thousands of H335 loads (for example).
Keep this "problem" in mind when using H110. Consistency of powder measure manipulation is important in charge consistency. Luckily, H110 is one of the most forgiving of powders when it comes to this situation (probably for the same reason that it causes the binding to begin with...small ball/grain size).
Powderman
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And, here's another H110 fan.
Mbartel, it might surprise you to know that I used to fleece my fellow soldiers wholeheartedly and with right good will--because they would bet me that I could not hit bowling pins at 100 yards with my iron sighted Model 29, standing unsupported. I did so, and quite easily, too.
The load? 180 grain Sierra Power Jacket and 27.5 of H110.
Amy, I have spent many an afternoon in the desert around Ft. Bliss, TX (some time ago, though) dropping my handloads into small bushes a ridiculously long distance away. One bush I was shooting at I paced off at around 250 meters.
The load for this one is my target load for my revolver--250 grain hand-cast Keith style LSWC, sized to .430 inch, on top of 8.5 of Unique. I prefer Federal primers with this load, but most any one will do.
By the way, Steve was jumping in, in your behalf. Welcome to THR. By the way, if you're ever up around Washington State, me and the wife would love to take you out to the range. She doesn't like handguns too much--but can shoot doggoned well with my AR15 and .220 Swift.
Mbartel, it might surprise you to know that I used to fleece my fellow soldiers wholeheartedly and with right good will--because they would bet me that I could not hit bowling pins at 100 yards with my iron sighted Model 29, standing unsupported. I did so, and quite easily, too.
The load? 180 grain Sierra Power Jacket and 27.5 of H110.
Amy, I have spent many an afternoon in the desert around Ft. Bliss, TX (some time ago, though) dropping my handloads into small bushes a ridiculously long distance away. One bush I was shooting at I paced off at around 250 meters.
The load for this one is my target load for my revolver--250 grain hand-cast Keith style LSWC, sized to .430 inch, on top of 8.5 of Unique. I prefer Federal primers with this load, but most any one will do.
By the way, Steve was jumping in, in your behalf. Welcome to THR. By the way, if you're ever up around Washington State, me and the wife would love to take you out to the range. She doesn't like handguns too much--but can shoot doggoned well with my AR15 and .220 Swift.
Amy
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Hi Powderman,
I cast a 250 grain Keith bullet, just sold 2000 of them, and have used it with 24 grains of H110, which was brutal and flattened primers pretty good. 27.5 grains is pretty darn daring of you.
I don't shoot that Keith bullet much any more, I'm pretty much settled on the 300 grain gas checked LSWC. I also have a mould for a 300 grain LSWC for .45 Colt, but thus far no one has asked me to cast it, and I don't have a .45 Colt pistol, so I've no idea how it shoots.
My parents used to live up there in Washington State, and it's some very beautiful country. I woudn't mind living up there but for the winter rains.
Amy
I cast a 250 grain Keith bullet, just sold 2000 of them, and have used it with 24 grains of H110, which was brutal and flattened primers pretty good. 27.5 grains is pretty darn daring of you.
I don't shoot that Keith bullet much any more, I'm pretty much settled on the 300 grain gas checked LSWC. I also have a mould for a 300 grain LSWC for .45 Colt, but thus far no one has asked me to cast it, and I don't have a .45 Colt pistol, so I've no idea how it shoots.
My parents used to live up there in Washington State, and it's some very beautiful country. I woudn't mind living up there but for the winter rains.
Amy
Powderman
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Yipe! That's a load and a half! I use the 180 gr JHP with that load. I think that 24 grains behind that Keith bullet would have my cherished M29 disassembling itself rather violently.
I have not used the 300 gr. in .44 yet; mainly because the S&W is (to me anyway) a bit delicately constructed for such a heavy bullet. Now the Redhawk and Super Redhawk? Hand held artillery! Those things will take sabot rounds for a tank and barely twitch!
LeonCarr
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240 grain Hornady XTP-HP
24.0 grains H110
Winchester Brass
Winchester WLP Primers
That load would chronograph around 1425 fps from a 7 1/2" Redhawk and a 7 1/2" Super Blackhawk, and either gun would shoot a 6 round group around 5 inches at 100 yards with open sights from sandbags.
The Redhawk killed a six point whitetail buck at 35 yards, and two hogs over 300 pounds, each killed at around 50 yards. All three animals traveled about three feet after being hit...straight down.
I like H110.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
24.0 grains H110
Winchester Brass
Winchester WLP Primers
That load would chronograph around 1425 fps from a 7 1/2" Redhawk and a 7 1/2" Super Blackhawk, and either gun would shoot a 6 round group around 5 inches at 100 yards with open sights from sandbags.
The Redhawk killed a six point whitetail buck at 35 yards, and two hogs over 300 pounds, each killed at around 50 yards. All three animals traveled about three feet after being hit...straight down.
I like H110
.Just my .02,
LeonCarr
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Amy, it appears to me that it was you that began with the gender based commentary. I will refer this thread to the H&R moderator for his review. If you have anything else to discuss with me regarding this matter, do so via PM.
Johnny Guest
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Easy on, there, friends and neighbors - -
One - - With careful handloading, a good handgun, decent sights, and LOTS of practice, some pretty amazing things ARE possible.
I've always liked long range handgunning, ever since reading some of Elmer Keith's early works. I myownself have done some shooting I'd NOT be offended to have non-witnesses doubt until they had some experience.
It hasn't been many years ago that it was almost UNBELIEVEABLE that a one-inch group could be shot at 100 yards with a model 29 S&W. Nowadays, given the necessary dedication, it is not TOO uncommon a feat. Do the math - - Fairly consistent hits on a gallon milk jug at 300 yards are not one bit less likely than a one-inch group at 100. The jug measures roughly six inches wide by around ten inches tall. Looks to me as if a TWO minute-of-angle group would hit the jug with every shot.
Two - - We're not talking about great accomplishments requiring lots of upper body strength here. This is not hand to hand combat nor professional football - - No matter how it irks some guys to be bested by a woman at a game which was traditionally a male sport, it DOES HAPPEN. Golf, tennis, scattergunning, riflery, and handgunnery.
I'll step right up and freely admit that I, personally, can't do the gallon-jugs-at-300 deal often enough to claim the ability. But I have done a lot of shooting at 200+, at similar-size targets, to know there was a time I could have managed, given a LOT of practice. I'll further say that in the 1980s, I was personally acquainted with at least three women who could outshoot me at the long range handgun game.
SO -- Let's not be too quick to deny the possibility of such shooting. If you want to say a, uh, Lorcin .380 pistol is inherently incapable of doing it, okay. But with good-to-excellent guns, sights, ammo, and plenty of practice, it is certainly possible, and now we're talking about individual abilities.
By the same token, let's not be TOO quick to get our backs up if a bit of healthy skepticism is expressed by not witnesses, AND if it is done politely. I've done a bit of judicious editing of less-than-gracious comments above. I don't believe the on-topic sense of the thread has suffered at all.
As my grandmother used to say, "Y'all all play nice now, y'hear?"
Johnny
One - - With careful handloading, a good handgun, decent sights, and LOTS of practice, some pretty amazing things ARE possible.
I've always liked long range handgunning, ever since reading some of Elmer Keith's early works. I myownself have done some shooting I'd NOT be offended to have non-witnesses doubt until they had some experience.
It hasn't been many years ago that it was almost UNBELIEVEABLE that a one-inch group could be shot at 100 yards with a model 29 S&W. Nowadays, given the necessary dedication, it is not TOO uncommon a feat. Do the math - - Fairly consistent hits on a gallon milk jug at 300 yards are not one bit less likely than a one-inch group at 100. The jug measures roughly six inches wide by around ten inches tall. Looks to me as if a TWO minute-of-angle group would hit the jug with every shot.
Two - - We're not talking about great accomplishments requiring lots of upper body strength here. This is not hand to hand combat nor professional football - - No matter how it irks some guys to be bested by a woman at a game which was traditionally a male sport, it DOES HAPPEN. Golf, tennis, scattergunning, riflery, and handgunnery.
I'll step right up and freely admit that I, personally, can't do the gallon-jugs-at-300 deal often enough to claim the ability. But I have done a lot of shooting at 200+, at similar-size targets, to know there was a time I could have managed, given a LOT of practice. I'll further say that in the 1980s, I was personally acquainted with at least three women who could outshoot me at the long range handgun game.
SO -- Let's not be too quick to deny the possibility of such shooting. If you want to say a, uh, Lorcin .380 pistol is inherently incapable of doing it, okay. But with good-to-excellent guns, sights, ammo, and plenty of practice, it is certainly possible, and now we're talking about individual abilities.
By the same token, let's not be TOO quick to get our backs up if a bit of healthy skepticism is expressed by not witnesses, AND if it is done politely. I've done a bit of judicious editing of less-than-gracious comments above. I don't believe the on-topic sense of the thread has suffered at all.
As my grandmother used to say, "Y'all all play nice now, y'hear?"
Johnny
ftierson
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By the way, I mentioned above that my Lee Perfect Powder Measure tends to bind up with use when loading H110 because of the small ball size of the powder.
Has anyone experienced similar problems with other powder measures, or am I just suffering needlessly with mine?
(I really like the LPPM for most powders, but perhaps I need something else for H110).
Has anyone experienced similar problems with other powder measures, or am I just suffering needlessly with mine?
(I really like the LPPM for most powders, but perhaps I need something else for H110).
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