atlctyslkr
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Anyone on here own handcuffs (I'm speaking to the private citizen crowd)? I was wondering if it would be worthwhile to purchase a set to use in the event of detaining a burglar.
Handcuffs for the home
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Thefabulousfink
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I am sure that people with more authority will chime in here pretty quick, but this topic has been debated before and the general consensus is that it is a bad idea. Most people (LEOs included) said it is way too dangerous to try and cuff a BG if you haven't been trained to do it and have backup. The safest thing to do is to keep the BG covered, have him assume a safe position facing away from you, and watch him from a distance until help arrives.
Handcuffs in the home should be for recreational use only.
Handcuffs in the home should be for recreational use only.
Manedwolf
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Agreed. Search for other threads about this. Unless you want to give the BG a metal object to thrash you with as soon as you get it on one wrist and he promptly goes freakout on you, leave handcuffing to the police that train a lot on technique...and stilll hate it.
Duct tape's cheaper, and will get you in less hot water when the police arrive.
Either way, trying to restrain anybody by yourself without training is dangerous and difficult. I'd hold them at gunpoint, face to the wall, arms out. If they have any problem with that, bang.
Either way, trying to restrain anybody by yourself without training is dangerous and difficult. I'd hold them at gunpoint, face to the wall, arms out. If they have any problem with that, bang.
I keep a pair of S&W around, but the one use zip tie cuffs are cheap effective and anyone can use them.
Just have the BG kneal on the ground with his hands behind his back, use your knee to lean them forward keeping them slightly off balance, only use one hand to apply restraints, and keep your gun hand close to you, but covering them. do not make contact between gun and head.
practice on a budy with a waterpistol a few times.
Just have the BG kneal on the ground with his hands behind his back, use your knee to lean them forward keeping them slightly off balance, only use one hand to apply restraints, and keep your gun hand close to you, but covering them. do not make contact between gun and head.
practice on a budy with a waterpistol a few times.
Yep, we had this discussion before. I fell into the, "Interesting idea, but why do I want to get close enough for this guy to kill me range?", group. I think it's suicidal to try to detain someone that you have to cuff when you have a gun on them.
Please hold a gun on me and then come close enough to cuff me and see if I don't take it from you and kill you with it.
Nope, not me. I don't want to get close to the SOB.
I'll just "toss them to him and "make" him you stay". BS! He's a criminal! He thinks you just got lucky instead of thinking that you beat him. He says NO and what do you do?
Cuffs are for cops, not civilians.
Please hold a gun on me and then come close enough to cuff me and see if I don't take it from you and kill you with it.
Nope, not me. I don't want to get close to the SOB.
I'll just "toss them to him and "make" him you stay". BS! He's a criminal! He thinks you just got lucky instead of thinking that you beat him. He says NO and what do you do?
Cuffs are for cops, not civilians.
Ajax wrote
Personally, I own a pair of hinged double lockers howver I doubt ever actually using them. I don't have any intentions of going within close enough proximity to a BG to cuff him, so that he can slug kick, or otherwise assault/ batterize me. There could also be the risk of my weapon being used against me by a BG if I start wrestling with him to cuff him. Also, even after he's been hooked up, he could still kick or grabbed (I'm a male, need I say more?).
I' wouldn't hand a pair of metal cuffs to a BG, since he could use them as knuckles and work me over.
The other nice thing about the flex cuffs is that they are not a heavy blunt object for the perp to use as a weapon against you. I have never handled a pair. Would it be possible to have the intruder cuff himself with them effectively. Otherwise, you still risk getting close to the BG and having him batterize you.
Personally, I own a pair of hinged double lockers howver I doubt ever actually using them. I don't have any intentions of going within close enough proximity to a BG to cuff him, so that he can slug kick, or otherwise assault/ batterize me. There could also be the risk of my weapon being used against me by a BG if I start wrestling with him to cuff him. Also, even after he's been hooked up, he could still kick or grabbed (I'm a male, need I say more?).
I' wouldn't hand a pair of metal cuffs to a BG, since he could use them as knuckles and work me over.
the naked prophet
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There's only one purpose for handcuffs in the home. And it's not for the criminals.
real_name
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IIRC, the opinion of LEOs last time was that cuffing is the single most dangerous thing you can do, particularly alone.
Leave the cuffs on the bedpost, for whatever gets you through the night.
Cover the BG, and call 911. They can cuff him.
Leave the cuffs on the bedpost, for whatever gets you through the night.
Cover the BG, and call 911. They can cuff him.
johnnytang24
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I think it's a fantasy that any robber would sit and let one cuff them or hold them until the police arrive. I'm guessing they would either flee or fight until injured beyond the need of restraint.
Thanks.
Thanks.
MadMercS55
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I own many pairs of handcuffs from being in the LE field many years ago. I also currently work part time in bail enforcement. I do have training in their use, etc. And I'll say the last thing I'd want to do is try to cuff a robber in my house all by myself. I'd rather have him proned out and well covered by my Benelli while waiting for the Police. This is if he is unarmed. If he were armed, then I'd still be covering his body while waiting for Police and Medics.
evan price
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I have a large package of zip-ties that are about 1/2" wide and 4FEET long! Stick two together and you just loop them over the head and shoulders and zip tie arms to sides....
Honestly, though I have these items, I would never attempt to restrain a BG myself, it's better to wait for the popos to do it for me.
Honestly, though I have these items, I would never attempt to restrain a BG myself, it's better to wait for the popos to do it for me.
One time, at band camp, a man burst in and tried to rob the place. Good sumeritan with handcuffs and 1911 sticks 1911 barrel up bad guys arse hole and has no problem putting on cuffs.
Seriously though, who's gonna resist with a 12ga pressed up against the back of their head. If the guy tries any funny business... well... bad guy soup, comin up! You might end up in jail but at least your alive. Thats the most critical chapter in my book.
On a different note: How would the average Joe get a pair of real handcuffs? When I got mine they wanted to see a badge.
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Seriously though, who's gonna resist with a 12ga pressed up against the back of their head. If the guy tries any funny business... well... bad guy soup, comin up! You might end up in jail but at least your alive. Thats the most critical chapter in my book.
On a different note: How would the average Joe get a pair of real handcuffs? When I got mine they wanted to see a badge.
-Dev
HankB
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Handcuff a burglar in my house? Why would I want to get close enough to cuff a bad guy in my house who's already bleeding out, if not DRT? In the first case, there are bloodborne pathogens to worry about. In the second case, there's no need.
1911 guy
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My cuffs are for the wife.
Besides, they have a red velvet lining and are easy to slip out of.
DevLcL said:
Seriously though, who's gonna resist with a 12ga pressed up against the back of their head.
If you're at contact distance with me, you'd better be having a very good day. Otherwise, your 12 guage is going to find a new owner/operator. If you're well enough trained to retain your weapon from me, you're well enough trained to know that contact distances are ugly. There are two immutable rules of a gunfight. 1) Bring a gun. 2) Distance is your friend.
Besides, they have a red velvet lining and are easy to slip out of.
DevLcL said:
Seriously though, who's gonna resist with a 12ga pressed up against the back of their head.
If you're at contact distance with me, you'd better be having a very good day. Otherwise, your 12 guage is going to find a new owner/operator. If you're well enough trained to retain your weapon from me, you're well enough trained to know that contact distances are ugly. There are two immutable rules of a gunfight. 1) Bring a gun. 2) Distance is your friend.
Hooligan
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Handcuffs in the home should be for recreational use only.
Haha yep. I definitely wouldn't want to move in close enough to cuff a BG.
Although I do have a set of cuffs, they are only for "recreational" uses.
Amish_Bill
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Yeah - recreational home use is your friend on these.... Contact distance with Bad Guy = Bad Juju.
For the guy who "got carded".... Handcuff Warehouse is your friend. Ain't this INtarWeb thing great!
For the guy who "got carded".... Handcuff Warehouse is your friend. Ain't this INtarWeb thing great!
Try it sometime, preferably with a training partner who knows what he is doing and an unloaded (or, better yet, fake) shotgun.
The likelihood of you staring down the barrel of your own gun goes up exponentially as distance between you and the BG closes. Is it a pump shotgun? That's even worse, since all he has to do is get it off-axis for the first blast, and then just prevent you from racking it before he strips you of it. Besides, how are you going to juggle hancuffs, the BG's wrists AND a two-handed weapon, all at once? Did you have a second pair of arms installed?
Leave the handcuffs for the cops, or for, ahem, recreational purposes. And, as uncomfortable as real cuffs are, they're probably not good for the latter use, either.
Mike
When I went to police academy...
many years ago, we were taught how to take a gun away from someone. No way will someone I capture get within reach of me, or, they will be shot. You are risking it all to try to hadcuff someone by yourself. Leave the handcuffs for home recreational duty..........chris3
many years ago, we were taught how to take a gun away from someone. No way will someone I capture get within reach of me, or, they will be shot. You are risking it all to try to hadcuff someone by yourself. Leave the handcuffs for home recreational duty..........chris3
Carl N. Brown
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Self defense cases I know about personally:
- one burglar held at gunpoint in place until police arrived,
- home invader, estranged husband, abusive boyfriend, etc.
given the option of leaving premises or getting shot.
In no case would it have been practical or safe to try
to handcuff the perp.
If done under the wrong circumstances wrongly, handcuffing
could be a form of unlawful imprisonment.
Handcuffs for home defense belong with the flashbang
grenade and Claymore mine: the bad idea list.
- one burglar held at gunpoint in place until police arrived,
- home invader, estranged husband, abusive boyfriend, etc.
given the option of leaving premises or getting shot.
In no case would it have been practical or safe to try
to handcuff the perp.
If done under the wrong circumstances wrongly, handcuffing
could be a form of unlawful imprisonment.
Handcuffs for home defense belong with the flashbang
grenade and Claymore mine: the bad idea list.
JJpdxpinkpistols
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ironically...
For those places (like work) that I *can't* carry, I carry handcuffs.
If I ain't got a gun, I will at least have *something* that might be of use (even if only a swinging weapon). The one time someone saw them in their case, and recognized them as such, they just assumed that I was...ahem...not "normal". She was actually rather embarrassed.
Work has rules against firearms, but they don't have rules against other "tools". Leatherman gets used at work, Medic's shears get used for wires, etc. no one asks to look at the bottom of my medics case on my belt.
As for home...12g pointed, spreadeagle face down until the cops arrive (average in PDX is 5 mins 16 seconds). Cuffs will stay in the case.
For those places (like work) that I *can't* carry, I carry handcuffs.
If I ain't got a gun, I will at least have *something* that might be of use (even if only a swinging weapon). The one time someone saw them in their case, and recognized them as such, they just assumed that I was...ahem...not "normal". She was actually rather embarrassed.
Work has rules against firearms, but they don't have rules against other "tools". Leatherman gets used at work, Medic's shears get used for wires, etc. no one asks to look at the bottom of my medics case on my belt.
As for home...12g pointed, spreadeagle face down until the cops arrive (average in PDX is 5 mins 16 seconds). Cuffs will stay in the case.
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Truthfully, I'm a little disappointed -
When I read "Handcuffs in the Home" this is NOT what I thought I was gonna get...
Seriously, I think the only real legal implications of using handcuffs would be exposure to the whole "unlawful imprisonment" thing - as Carl suggested - but I'm no law expert. To me, it's more of a personal decision about risk management... I'm not so sure I would advocate the everyday citizen placing him/herself within kissing distance of a BG just to put on cuffs when a 12G from across the room would work just as well.
Besides - I can just imagine me trying to explain to the responding officers just why there's a guy in a ski mask being held at gunpoint wearing pink fluffy handcuffs....
When I read "Handcuffs in the Home" this is NOT what I thought I was gonna get...
Seriously, I think the only real legal implications of using handcuffs would be exposure to the whole "unlawful imprisonment" thing - as Carl suggested - but I'm no law expert. To me, it's more of a personal decision about risk management... I'm not so sure I would advocate the everyday citizen placing him/herself within kissing distance of a BG just to put on cuffs when a 12G from across the room would work just as well.
Besides - I can just imagine me trying to explain to the responding officers just why there's a guy in a ski mask being held at gunpoint wearing pink fluffy handcuffs....
Old Dog
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Yay, another handcuffs-for-Joe-Sixpack thread ...
Then again, I've extensive training in combative 'cuffing and live out in the woods (20 minutes minimum response time from the SO or WSP) and would rather not have to hold someone at gunpoint for a long time. Plus, I trust my wife not to accidently shoot me while I'm cuffing Joe Badguy. Did I mention the two well-trained, 100-pound German Shepherd Dogs also?
Then again, I'm thinkin' if you caught someone in your own home, having broken in uninvited, this wouldn't be an issue. Might also appear a little friendlier having the authorities arrived with your guest on the kitchen floor in restraints rather than having them arrive with you holding guest at the point of your 870 or 1911 ... Personally, I might prefer to have my guns stowed when the cops arrive so as to prevent any misunderstandings ...
Then again, I've extensive training in combative 'cuffing and live out in the woods (20 minutes minimum response time from the SO or WSP) and would rather not have to hold someone at gunpoint for a long time. Plus, I trust my wife not to accidently shoot me while I'm cuffing Joe Badguy. Did I mention the two well-trained, 100-pound German Shepherd Dogs also?
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