Handgun cartridge carbines: Whaddya got and why?

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I have a Beretta CX4 Storm in 9mm. I bought it last year to replace one I was forced to sell years ago. This one seems to have a much better trigger however.

I got it for general shooting and home defense. Its handy being so short and very soft shooting and accurate. My elderly Mom is also comfortable using it. And its very fun.

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I would also like to get a Marlin 1894 in 357 eventually. Again I had one that I had to sell and it was fun to shoot. Back then it was my go to gun for any problems with 4 and 2 legged critters when I lived in rural PA.

I'd like to get a Henry Big Boy as well, maybe in 44 mag.
 
NIGHTLORD40K said:
Oooooo, we're counting M1s are we?
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Im going to be "that guy", though and point out that handguns chambered for the .30 Carbine cartridge didnt come out until decades later, so, IMO, the pistols are more correctly Carbine Cartridge Handguns.:D
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Interesting chicken and egg conundrum. I wanna play!

The .30 US Carbine cartridge was developed from the .30 Pedersen, which of course was made for the Pedersen Device, aka "US Automatic Pistol, Caliber .30, Model of 1918". It got inserted into a rifle, but it was technically a semi-auto pistol the sized to fit in place a 03 Springfield bolt and thus covert it into a pistol-caliber carbine! Not the same cartridge, but . . .

Moving up to the present day, performance and dimension-wise the .327 Federal is a lot like a .30 Carbine with a rim. If you discount the Automag III, the experimental S&W DA and the unsuccessful Kimball, the .30 Blackhawk still makes a pretty viable handgun, albeit after-the-fact. You could also argue the same about the .44 Winchester (44-40) since the carbine came out just before any handguns were chambered for it.

In short, I'm pulling your chain here -- I also like the M1 Carbine, even though I sold all my examples years ago. I want an excuse to include it. :)
 
Dave DeLaurant said:
Interesting chicken and egg conundrum. I wanna play!

The .30 US Carbine cartridge was developed from the .30 Pedersen, which of course was made for the Pedersen Device, aka "US Automatic Pistol, Caliber .30, Model of 1918". It got inserted into a rifle, but it was technically a semi-auto pistol the sized to fit in place a 03 Springfield bolt and thus covert it into a pistol-caliber carbine! Not the same cartridge, but . . .

Moving up to the present day, performance and dimension-wise the .327 Federal is a lot like a .30 Carbine with a rim. If you discount the Automag III, the experimental S&W DA and the unsuccessful Kimball, the .30 Blackhawk still makes a pretty viable handgun, albeit after-the-fact. You could also argue the same about the .44 Winchester (44-40) since the carbine came out just before any handguns were chambered for it.

In short, I'm pulling your chain here -- I also like the M1 Carbine, even though I sold all my examples years ago. I want an excuse to include it. :)
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Your thread, your call bro. No worries.:D
 
RUGER 77/357.

Because it complements the RUGER BH .357 Mag 6.5", and it is an elegant cartridge out of a carbine.

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Have a Leupold VX-1 2-7x33mm wide duplex on Med RUGER rings (gratis from the mother ship) - but I sure like that aperture sight you have on your 77/44.

Been wanting one that utilizes the RUGER mount.

Got a spec. on it?

TIA.




GR
 
NIGHTLORD40K said:
Your thread, your call bro. No worries.:D
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Spoken (texted?) like a true gentleman!

Just thought of another one: the .44 Henry Rimfire. Very definitely designed as a carbine cartridge first, but later became a popular revolver chambering (Colt Open Top, 1873, S&W #3, etc.) That might be a fun one to play with if anyone made new ammo.
 
Garandimal said:
RUGER 77/357.

Because it complements the RUGER BH .357 Mag 6.5", and it is an elegant cartridge out of a carbine.

Have a Leupold VX-1 2-7x33mm wide duplex on Med RUGER rings (gratis from the mother ship) - but I sure like that aperture sight you have on your 77/44.

Been wanting one that utilizes the RUGER mount.

Got a spec. on it?

TIA.




GR
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https://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/Gun_Services/Peep_Sights.asp

Not sure whether outside links work here, but if this doesn't show go to New England Custom Gunsmithing and find peep sights. Prepare for sticker shock, but it's a quality sight.

It will fit the middle mounting position without modification, but if you want it closer to your eye you'll need to Dremel/file a wedge of material from the right side to give the bolt room to work in the rearmost mounting position. I removed a little more metal than strictly necessary, but I regret nothing. You'll probably also find that you need a taller front sight blade. Currently the peep is serving as a backup to an older 1" tube red dot.

I like NECG's peep sights quite a bit -- I also have ones mounted to a CZ527 and a Ruger No. 1.

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Shoot the cartridges that made it all popular, the .44 Winchester(.44-40) and .38 Winchester (.38-40) where in rifles BEFORE they were in pistols.

-kBob
 
Dave DeLaurant said:
https://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/Gun_Services/Peep_Sights.asp

Not sure whether outside links work here, but if this doesn't show go to New England Custom Gunsmithing and find peep sights. Prepare for sticker shock, but it's a quality sight.

It will fit the middle mounting position without modification, but if you want it closer to your eye you'll need to Dremel/file a wedge of material from the right side to give the bolt room to work in the rearmost mounting position. I removed a little more metal than strictly necessary, but I regret nothing. You'll probably also find that you need a taller front sight blade. Currently the peep is serving as a backup to an older 1" tube red dot.

I like NECG's peep sights quite a bit -- I also have ones mounted to a CZ527 and a Ruger No. 1.

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Thanks.

Had actually seen those at NECG, but had not seen them mounted or reviewed.

Getting ready to cut the LOP down to 13", and that sight mounted forward(rear) would be about perfect.

While the 2-7 is great, always figured the carbine as an Aperture Sighted rifle. RUGER should have included'em.


P.S. MidwayUSA has the RUGER OEM drop-in Walnut stocks.

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GR
 
Garandimal said:
RUGER 77/357.

Because it complements the RUGER BH .357 Mag 6.5", and it is an elegant cartridge out of a carbine.

Have a Leupold VX-1 2-7x33mm wide duplex on Med RUGER rings (gratis from the mother ship) - but I sure like that aperture sight you have on your 77/44.

Been wanting one that utilizes the RUGER mount.

Got a spec. on it?

TIA.




GR
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Nice. I've always wanted a 77/357 or 44
 
A Thureon Defense 9mm. Got it with a Tasco red dot (which has actually worked and held up fine) for a price so low my wife asked if they had another.
 
Garandimal said:
Is there capacity in the sight to grind the bottom of the Elevation slide, or invert it, to facilitate a lower Aperture setting, to accommodate the OEM front sight?

TIA.

GR
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With the unmodified elevation slide bottomed, the aperture is pretty much as low as the rest of the sight body will permit -- much lower and you block the opening with the front part of the sight. That said, your existing front may not be too far off, depending on the range you sight in and where you hold -- it's one of those try it and see propositions.

I swapped front sights a couple times on this little rifle, so I no longer had the factory front when I installed the NECG. The current front sight measures .525" from the bottom of the dovetail. For a time I used a Lyman Globe front with an aperture insert on this rifle.
 
Someone mention 44-40 WCF? I have a Ruger Vacquero paired up with a Rossi M92. Inherited the Ruger from my younger brother who died @40 of natural causes, and later bought the M92 just because I liked the cartridge. Funny though, I have no interest in Cowboy Action Shooting, just plinking with 'em.
 
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My latest. PSA 8" 9mm. Added Ergo grip, SBA3 adjustable brace, CT flash light(now on left side of rail), offset sights. Only had it out twice, but I LIKE IT!
 
Marlin 32-20 pump model 27s, Remington pump 25-20, A WW2 Inland fitted with a paratrooper stock and an early sixties Plainfield, Ruger .44 mag semi auto carbine with Bushnell 1.5-5 command post as it was in 1973, Browning B92 .44 mag made in 1976 year of liberty, first year production .357 Marlin model 94 with an Aim point M-2 on Ashley outdoor scout set up, a Calico 9mm collapsible with two 50 round and one 100 round mag just for fun, tho if kept clean eats everything fed to it . I sold the HK94 while I still could in CA. In 1999, kept the Calico which now lives out of CA with the other hated tools. :(
 
Gordon said:
Marlin 32-20 pump model 27s, Remington pump 25-20, A WW2 Inland fitted with a paratrooper stock and an early sixties Plainfield, Ruger .44 mag semi auto carbine with Bushnell 1.5-5 command post as it was in 1973, Browning B92 .44 mag made in 1976 year of liberty, first year production .357 Marlin model 94 with an Aim point M-2 on Ashley outdoor scout set up, a Calico 9mm collapsible with two 50 round and one 100 round mag just for fun, tho if kept clean eats everything fed to it . I sold the HK94 while I still could in CA. In 1999, kept the Calico which now lives out of CA with the other hated tools. :(
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The Marlin 27 sounds really cool -- has it given you any problems?
 
It's an antique in the back of my safe and it is very very unusual . I fired a hundred round rounds thru it in last 5 years, just to see where it hits. With the buckhorn sights on it I can do 4" at 50 yards rested . The Remington 25-20 pump does half that .Like mine:
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My one and only at this point is a Ruger PCC 9mm. 9mm is cheap, readily available, and fun, and I wanted a long gun that shared magazines with my Glock.
 
Just finally caved in and purchased a Ruger PCC. Mainly this is a backyard plinker that will be used alongside a family-heirloom M-1 Carbine that our 16 year-old daughter loves (I cut down a 'beater' stock to better fit her tiny 4ft 10 in size). The new Ruger is MUCH heavier than the old .30 Carbine but was easily made to fit her owing to its adaptive length-of-pull features. It has so far proved 100% reliable and is incredibly fun to shoot...it just wants to keep eating ammo from those fat Glock mags!
 
I'm liking that pump action, looks old like me. Has the heir of a 20 year old bottle of scotch, don't know if you should drink it or just admire it.:thumbup:
 
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