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I would do something like this. Are you near San Antonio txhoghunter? Thought you could be with a name like that. If not, there is probably someone doing something similar in your area.

www.LonestarHandgun.com

Test fire Saturday is every Saturday from 9am-11am @ Bracken Range. Contact us for more details @ 210-745-2956.

We will be bringing a Glock 19 9mm, Springfield XD 3" 9mm, Ruger SR9c 9mm, Ruger LCP 380, and a S&W 442 38Spl. The Cost is $30, and you get 10 rounds per gun.
 
I wish I was closer, but no I'm toward the Houston area and a trip this weekend isn't on the agenda :(

Is it just this Saturday?
 
Do y'all think that the new S&W bodyguard .38 would be a good idea? Would the laser grip be a plus?

I like the idea of a laser grip, especially for beginners, although I don't think that the S&W Bodyguard has that type of laser--in my opinion, grip activation is far more practical than switch activation. I'd steer away from this gun and the LCR anyway because they are just too lightweight and difficult to control for beginners. Crimson Trace has grip-activated lasers for all of the examples listed in my previous message and many more--this would be the best way to go if you choose to get a laser. Of course, don't neglect to have your mother train on iron sights, too, in case the batteries fail or she ever needs to use the gun in a brightly-lit location.
 
Jumping on the revolver band wagon, because of the simplicity. My choice would be S&W 10, the grips aren't great so take her somewhere she can try on after market grips. The Smith's are cheap and reliable, and can be found everywhere. Maybe short barrel if she's carrying. The 38 special is enough, but Buffalo Bore has hotter rounds if you want. Make sure she practices.

Good luck.
 
Another option to look at is a Ruger SP-101. It's on the heavy side for a snubby, but still compact enough that it's not a chore to slip into a pocket on a houserobe or whatever when you answer the door, or so big that you relegate it to the nightstand rather than keep it within reach as you move about the house throughout the day.

I think if you only have one gun for home defense, it's a good idea to have one that you will keep on your person or at least nearby, rather than one that stays in the bedroom all the time.
 
Women are NOT idiots, and the whopping 2 buttons on a pistol are NOT hard to understand.

There is NO reason to steer her into a revolver if she thinks she can handle a pistol - beginners need MORE shots, not less, and manageable triggers, not the heavy DA pull of a revolver.

Let HER pick out what she wants to shoot. DON'T pressure her, or dump your bias onto her decision.

Revolvers are NOT simple - they are HARDER for many shooters to shoot accurately, take practice to reload effectively, and they have about 1000 small precision parts inside of them. Calling a modern revolver "simple" is like calling a Swiss watch simple.

A DAO or SAO pistol is every bit as easy to learn as a revovler, has less parts, and takes less skill to become proficient with.

LET HER CHOOSE.
 
Okay thanks for all the info guys, sorry if I was pushy in earlier posts. It is really hard having something like this happen and not be there to protect my family as I have been able to in years past.

I have talked with her today and convinced her that on top of getting her CCW, she will need to go to extra handgun training courses and she is just fine with that.

Now....today she said that in the case of a home invasion she will go into the bathroom and yell that the police are on the way and that she has a gun.....and then she will fire a random round to prove it.....

Yes we have some things to work on lol, but again, thanks for all the help. Y'all are great
 
BLB68 already mentioned it, but a Ruger SP-101 would be the ticket if she's leaning revolver. It's heavier and easier to shoot than a J-Frame/LCR, but still light/compact enough to easily carry and handle easily.

I do, however, think you could do pretty well with an XD9 (full size or subcompact) or similar.

Same weight (or lower) as the 4" revolvers, not particularly prone to jamming with a limp wrist, higher capacity, more manageable trigger than a DA revolver, the only safety is the "passive" grip safety, cheaper to practice with and available for well under your budget.
 
I got my Mom a three inch barreled chief special (model 36) She would have had trouble pulling ther slide back on a lot of pistols. I got my wife a tip up barrel Berretta, so that she didn't have to pull the slide back. Of course, you could load an automatic and let her keep it with one in chamber......maybe a Glock 19? Everyone is different, so let her decide.(with your help)
 
The problem with racking the slide was my main concern with a semi-auto. However, I feel like with a little practice, even if she has trouble at first, it will become easier.

Again that is if she goes with a semi and not a revolver. Time will tell, we are planning on getting to the range this weekend to try stuff out
 
She can handle any service pistol. Look at a used Glock 19. Or if you want to get fancy, something with removeable back straps like a S&W M&P.

The thing that makes me wary is people who have one scary experience and then become 'born again' gun people. IN MY EXPERIENCE, their enthusiasm fades. Then you have a rookie with a gun who won't train with it.
 
The thing that makes me wary is people who have one scary experience and then become 'born again' gun people. IN MY EXPERIENCE, their enthusiasm fades. Then you have a rookie with a gun who won't train with it.

I can see this being a worry. However, I can assure you, this is not how my mother works. She isn't so much enthused to own a gun, she just wants to be able to protect herself and my brother if she should need to and is willing to (finally) accept the fact that when other efforts fail, a gun can be a good tool.

Now about the M&P. Has anyone shot the compact versions? If so, how do they shoot? Trigger pull? Etc?
 
My mother is small, and on the border of being "anti-gun". Just about the only gun she likes to shoot is my S&W model 60 when loaded with .38 spl.

She pretty much only shoots it in single action, which though may slow fire rate it may be your mothers best option as well, accuracy over number of bullets thrown.

If your mother is willing she should take a gun class for sure. I consider myself an experienced shooter and I'm signing up for one of the NRA courses soon to sharpen my skills, and be qualified to conceal carry when I'm 21.

As these guys said, take her to a range that rents guns so she can figure out what she wants.

Don't take it personally, but I don't see why anyone would recommend a double action only revolver.. god I hate those things. For me double action on a revolver is last resort unless they are point blank. Maybe I just need more practice.. but I shoot WAY better in single action

LCR sounds like a bad idea too, unless shes down to put in some serious range time

but to answer your question, as 90% of these guys recommend, I would also say a .357 mag with at least a 3 or 4" barrel, so she has the option to go to .38+p if she can handle it, or magnum if shes got some serious balls :D
 
I thought the LCR had less recoil than other similar weight snubbies? If she can find a defensive round she can handle in it, it may not be a bad choice, since it's supposed to have a really good DAO trigger. (Though I agree with the above comment on preferring a hammer on a revolver.)

IMO, if you can rent an LCR, you should let her try one.
 
I would go with a good one like other have said and throw out the Ruger GP100, or a used S&W mod 10,19, or 60. Stay to the all steel guns to reduce felt recoil. 6 shots out of any of these should be more than enuff.

Another thing which I havent seen but usually do is to have your mom look at www.corneredcat.com
 
I am going to gore some of the sacred cows because I'm going to recommend what I think is one of the better self-defense guns on the market: the Walther PK380. For most people, especially those new to handgun shooting, I think it's a much better choice than the LCP, LCR, either of the S&W Bodyguards, the SIG P238 or any lightweight snubnose revolver.

The Walther has grips suitable for a small hand. It is delayed blowback, so the slide is much easier to operate than many other automatic pistols. Recoil, even with hot loads, is very mild: the gun is far more pleasant to fire than many other handguns in its size range. You get nine shots (8+1) and the pistol is very reliable and has pretty decent accuracy. Its longer barrel will give you a bit more oomph out of the .380 round.

The .380 in a modern loading is a decent round for self defense and the Walther makes follow-up shots very controllable.

And the price? New in the box, it retails for $393 and I have seen it advertised for around $350. It is available with an integrated laser sight for $495.00 or you can add your own to the Picatinny rail on the underside of the frame.

I have had a First Edition PK380 for about 15 months. It has performed very well and, like its little brother, the Walther P22, it is more fun than a barrel of monkeys at the range. .380 ammo isn't hard to find anymore and I haven't seen anyone charging a premium for a while.

It's not a pocket pistol but it's still easy to conceal. Fully loaded with 9 rounds of Remington 102-grain Golden Sabers, it weights 22.3 ounces. It does have a manual safety as well as a firing pin block. In order for the firing pin to strike the primer, the trigger must be pulled. It is quite safe to carry with a round in the chamber.

Whereabouts in the Houston area are you? I'm northwest of the city.
 
Women are NOT idiots, and the whopping 2 buttons on a pistol are NOT hard to understand.

Well, I'm not an idiot, either, and I'm extremely technically inclined on top of that, but I still prefer utter simplicity when my life is on the line, and I'd recommend the same for any shooter (especially beginners) unless they really, really want something more complicated and are willing to train with it regularly.

There is NO reason to steer her into a revolver if she thinks she can handle a pistol - beginners need MORE shots, not less, and manageable triggers, not the heavy DA pull of a revolver.

It depends on the individual, and frankly what beginners think they can handle doesn't count until they actually handle and fire the weapons.

As for needing more shots, I doubt that most beginners could fire many aimed shots very quickly (unless they shoot a .22 like my mom, and she does have more shots in her S&W 617).

Let HER pick out what she wants to shoot. DON'T pressure her, or dump your bias onto her decision.

Let her choose after she has some experience (even a single trip to the range may be enough) with a variety of handguns and calibers, yes. But you also have to ask the right questions, having her imagine being in a real situation, so that she can decide on issues such as whether she minds having to remember to flick off a manual safety. Yes, I know that for experienced shooters it's ingrained in their "muscle memory" but I've seen those with some experience forget to do so at the range, where the stress level won't be as high as in a real life-or-death situation (then again, the way I've seen some people handle their guns at the range, it may well be a life-or-death situation! :eek: ).

Revolvers are NOT simple - they are HARDER for many shooters to shoot accurately,

It depends on their finger strength (and other factors, some psychological), and there is only one way to know if that will be a problem early on. I agree that autos should be considered as well, preferably shot during the same range session.

take practice to reload effectively,

True, but the odds that anybody will need to reload are fairly slim, even with the more limited capacity of revolvers. Yes, it could happen, but no it doesn't happen often, whereas a manual safety always needs to be handled properly, which also requires practice, based on what I've seen.

and they have about 1000 small precision parts inside of them. Calling a modern revolver "simple" is like calling a Swiss watch simple.

Also true, but the topic is the simplicity of use rather than design and construction. Revolvers also tend to be extremely reliable, their internal complexity notwithstanding.

A DAO or SAO pistol is every bit as easy to learn as a revovler, has less parts, and takes less skill to become proficient with.

Well, even the simplest of autos requires being able to rack the slide, which is an issue for some (and even if it can be overcome, I'd feel more confident if it weren't an issue at all). They are also perhaps less intuitive than revolvers with regard to their loaded and unloaded states, and require more steps to be remembered (e.g. racking the slide to chamber a round or empty the chamber after you've removed the magazine). I've even seen people who initially disliked revolvers become "converts" after discovering how much more comfortable they are with them, at least as beginners. I'm not saying that beginners have to start out with a revolver (I didn't), but it's no surprise that revolvers are the most common suggestion, either.

Don't take it personally, but I don't see why anyone would recommend a double action only revolver.. god I hate those things. For me double action on a revolver is last resort unless they are point blank. Maybe I just need more practice.. but I shoot WAY better in single action

Like I keep saying, it depends on the individual. I don't see a difference in my shooting between single- and double-action, and actually I never shoot single-action these days (on revolvers). What surprised me, though, is that my mom also has absolutely no trouble with DA revolvers despite being small and having much less grip strength than I do. She has trouble racking slides, however, which appears to be psychological (seems to treat the gun delicately by nature when she should be firm and crisp with it). I can get her to the point where she can rack my M&P40 easily (no special techniques required), and then a week later she can't do it again. Other folks can rack any slide all day long but curse DA triggers, and that's alright too because everybody is different.

LCR sounds like a bad idea too, unless shes down to put in some serious range time

Who knows, maybe some beginners would have no problem with it, although I find that unlikely enough to advise against it from the get-go.
 
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9mm without doubt/round count as well

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I know the feeling, knowing something, telling one's parents who shu-shu your idea until up the_road when they discover, the need and, your reasoning way back when.

With my parents, it took nearly 30yrs for them to suddenly, finally, agree with me and my reasoning, and to acknowledge that I was right..

Hopefully you'll get your mom up and running asap before another need arises out of the blue, in the 11th hour, so to speak..

On to my question: What would be a good semi-automatic pistol that she can handle. I have a few ideas, but would like to hear from y'all. My mother is very small (just over 5' and less than 120lbs), but I am hesitant to go for a caliber smaller than 9mm.

And price is somewhat of a concern, a $500 pistol is probably the absolute max. So any recommendations for a reliable and accurate gun are appreciated.

Most reliable, 9mm, best JHP choices, weight wise, velocity wise slow or fast but, just, get her some kind of closed breach action 9mm and keep her away from those cute, so sexy looking, 380acp's that use "blow back action" that have much, much more longer/stiffer return springs that make it hard to hand cycle (learn) with ease and actually contribute to stiffer/sharper/felt recoil vs the full size 9mm softer return springs (via close breach action) yet less recoil/felt wise and - Maintenance requirements -

Blow-back actions get a gun dirty quickly and in far fewer shot/rounds vs the on-going reliability and much cleaner actions and far greater round counts of closed breach action in-between "needed cleanings" to ensure risibility..

OMMV,

Luck,


Ls
 
just a suggestion...

txhoghunter -

If you're still open, I'll suggest a S&W Model 10. I've had the pleasure of introducing several ladies to shooting. Without exception, they've all taken to the Model 10. With good reason. The 38 is a good round for defense, and the Model 10 is almost foolproof in operation and easy to shoot accurately. No safety to fumble with and no slide to rack. Just aim, pull the trigger, and the bad guy goes away.
 
Throwing another vote towards a 3" SP101. Of the smaller revolvers I own, this one isn't as hard on my hands to shoot. It's also what I have in the nightstand at the moment. Load it up with a decent hollow point and you're good to go. Find some Federal Nyclads if +Ps are too much. I'd stay clear of the lightweight J frames or any alloyish revolver. My S&W 442 is great to carry, but a pain to shoot.
 
If you're still open, I'll suggest a S&W Model 10.

Trust me, I will be open to suggestions for probably several weeks. Even though my mom is kinda rushing into getting a gun, I know better than an impulse buy. We will be getting to the range to test several guns between now and when we buy one and I will be sure to get an S&W Model 10 in her hands at some point.

Again, thanks for all the help. The SP101 seems to be well liked so that will also get some range time
 
On to my question: What would be a good semi-automatic pistol that she can handle. I have a few ideas, but would like to hear from y'all. My mother is very small (just over 5' and less than 120lbs), but I am hesitant to go for a caliber smaller than 9mm.

And price is somewhat of a concern, a $500 pistol is probably the absolute max. So any recommendations for a reliable and accurate gun are appreciated.

A woman of small stature that is unfamiliar with guns and doesn't want to spend more than $500. That sounds like a job for a Glock 19. It's super simple and utterly reliable. A second choice would be the Smith and Wesson M&P9compact. My wife loves hers, hates Glocks.

9mm is a great choice of caliber for beginners. It offers low recoil, with plenty of power and the ammo is cheap. It's my favorite caliber out of all the practical SD calibers.

Whatever you do don't just stick a tiny gun in her hands because she's a "lady."
 
On to my question: What would be a good semi-automatic pistol that she can handle. I have a few ideas, but would like to hear from y'all. My mother is very small (just over 5' and less than 120lbs), but I am hesitant to go for a caliber smaller than 9mm.

And price is somewhat of a concern, a $500 pistol is probably the absolute max. So any recommendations for a reliable and accurate gun are appreciated.
I recommend the Ruger SR9c....

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It's a real easy shooting pistol with a thinner grip than many double-stack pistols.
The trigger-pull is especially nice.

And there are some uesful safety features that she might appreciate....

loaded chamber indiactor,
cocked striker indicator,
manual safety (which can be ignored and left in "fire" mode if desired),
magazine disconnect (which is easily removed if desired)

And don't think for one minute that autoloaders are too complicated for the ladies.
Teaching someone to shoot an autoloader, including clearing misfeeds and stoppages, is not hard in the least.
Handguns are very simple devices.
If she can change the ink cartridge of a printer, or operate a kitchen blender, then she can learn to operate an autoloader.
 
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