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geronimotwo

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hi, i'm looking to purchase a handgun, and would appreciate input regarding revolver vs pistol, which gun caliber, and maker to go with. my main considerations would be:

home security - we live in a small town, probably will never be needed, but...

personal safety in the woods - i cut firewood and spend time outside, again, probably will never see an aggressive animal......

fun to shoot at the range - okay here it will be used a few times a month so it should be a durable, reliable gun, and somewhat economical to shoot.

we spend time on our sailboat (saltwater), and enjoy camping, so it may be exposed to various corrosive elements, although will typically be cleaned and stored properly.

how does stainless vs blued steel hold up with repeated firings. also, how are plastic and alluminum frames.

thanks for the knowledgable input, g2
 
Hi geronimotwo ~

Welcome to THR. :)

I'm going to do the lazy thing and point you to some stuff I've already written first:

About semi vs revolver: http://www.corneredcat.com/FirstGun/SemiVsRevo.htm

About choosing a gun that fits your hand (an often overlooked, important step): http://www.corneredcat.com/FirstGun/TryOnGun.htm

About corrosion & durability: as long as you take good care of the gun and keep it cleaned & properly lubed, most any modern finish will be just fine. If you're not going to keep it cleaned, even a wonder-finish might have problems -- but a Glock would probably be your most durable bet, followed by something stainless.

Finally, about caliber. You want something somewhere between a .380 ACP and a .45 ACP. Basic choices are .380, 9mm, .38, .357 mag or .357 sig, .40, 10mm, .44, or .45. Any of these would work, and every shoter has a favorite. What matters most is that you practice shooting, so I like to point out an often overlooked factor: price. Of these basic defensive calibers, the least expensive to shoot is probably the 9mm. Most expensive would probably be a tie between 10mm and .357 Sig. The more expensive the ammunition, the more likely it is that you will skimp yourself on practice, unless you've got money to burn.

Whatever you choose, you'll want to put hollowpoints in the gun when you are using it for defense, because hollowpoints are best at stopping an attack with the minimum of shots fired, and because they are slightly less likely to pass through and injure innocent bystanders.

Hope that helps!

pax
 
First you have to decide on if you want a semi-auto or a revolver. Once you cross that hurdle then the other questions can be answered.
 
First: What Pax said. If the gun doesn't fit you pass it by regardless of what folks tell you.

For years I was a 1911 shooter. I had a Ruger revolver too, but I had two Colt .45 Series 70's and a Gold Cup. Then for some reason I picked up a Glock 22 in .40, nice but a snappy recoil. Then a Glock G21 in .45ACP, even nicer, very controllable shove rather than the snap of the .40 S&W. A few years later I bought a G17 top for my G22 and once I made the change I never looked back.

9mm recoil is very controllable and follow-on shots more accurate. I recently bought another Glock 9mm -- G19, the slightly smaller brother of the G17. I shoot cheap surplus 9mm FMJ at the range for trigger time, followed by 147 grain Speer Gold Dot (jacketed hollowpoint) as a defense load. Very reliable, plenty accurate and for some reason the Glock fingergrooves fit my fingers perfectly.

As a fun shooter which could do duty as a PD weapon, either a G17 or a G19 would do fine. But first, read the links Pax posted above.
 
Your first step is to get some quality training. Most instructors will have time to answer your questions, and he or she may have some samples of each. Once basic gun handling is learned, then you would be better served by locating an indoor range that rents various guns and learn form live firing. Safety is your primary concern!
 
I will let the others give you the standard good advice on fit and what-not as they will give excellent and have given excellent advice. I will limit my response to what I personally would take/suggest given your criteria.

I would personally buy either a Ruger GP100 with a 3 or 4 inch barrel or a Smith and Wesson 686 or 686+ with either a 3 or 4 inch barrel.

Both are chambered for .357 which gives you the ability to shoot anything from mild .38 special target loads to crazy buttstomping 180 grain badboy .357. Both are strong like bull, both are accurate, both are easy to learn to shoot, both make excellent defensive handguns for both 2 and 4 legged varmints and both are economically priced.

So buy either, pick up some speedloaders, speedstrips whatever, a bunch of ammo, some basic cleaning supplies and a small handgun safe and you are good to go for anything.

For me personally I would chose and do own the Ruger GP100 with a 3 inch barrel and slightly smaller grip. It is a spectacular gun in every regard.
 
Welcome Geronimotwo. You don't say if you have any prior experience with shooting. As others have pointed out (in response to your query and other similar posts), starting with a small caliber (.22) is a good way to learn the art of shooting if you are new to it. As for the best gun for your particular situation, I add to the reading list Pax has recommended these selections:

Choosing a handgun for home defense

Choosing a first handgun (.22)

Stainless is a better choice than blued steel. Leather holds moisture, which can quickly lead to rust on the gun in a humid climate (especially with a lot of salt in the air). Plastic holsters are available that can help, but I would still choose stainless over blued steel.

Just in case you are very new to guns and shooting, something to consider is the caliber you want to shoot... in regard to recoil energy, effectiveness for self-defense, and the type of action involved. For starters, consider that .38 special, .357 magnum, and .44 magnum are revolver cartridges while .380, 9mm, .357 Sig, .40 S&W, and .45 acp are autoloading cartridges. (you CAN find revolvers that fire 9mm and .45 acp if you want to go that route.)

Check this table for an idea as to their relative effectiveness (use the "ME" column to read muzzle energy as your point of comparison). And check this table for a guide to the relative amount of recoil.
 
I have to say .357 magnum stainless revolver, probably a Ruger.

Revolvers don't indiscriminately throw around brass. They also tend to have a bit more power overall for outdoor use and are very versatile. Guns like Glocks are difficult to fully master and probably shouldn't be the first gun a person buys. Every police department that has gone to Glocks has seen a significant rise in accidental discharges. A revolver is much safer, in my opinion.

There are some excellent outdoor automatics, like the Ruger Mark II .22LRs. They're really fun guns, too.
 
I had been adivsed when I first started acquiring handguns that if I got a revolver & mastered the DAO trigger, I could fire and other gun w/o any problems. It took me a while, and bought many other guns before my 1st wheelgun, but I did master than DAO trigger & now I can shoot all my guns pretty well ;)
 
I'm in the camp that sez everyone should have a .357 mag revolver. And I'm in the other camp that sez everyone should have a semi-auto pistol.
Patients will be your friend .
 
Experiencing information overload yet? ;)

OK, here's how I'd lay it out:

There are two groupings you'll be looking at: revolvers and pistols.

Revolver calibers you'll likely be considering include: .38 special, .357 Mag (a .38 with more oomph, essentially), .44 Special, and .44 Mag (same as the .38/.357 thing -- longer bullet and more oomph). Note that a .357 can shoot .38's, and a .44 Mag can shoot .44 Special, so people tend to recommend the magnums for flexibility in ammo choice.

If you select a decent hollowpoint in any of these calibers, then you've got an effective enough defense weapon.

Revolver actions are simple: you can have the gun go "bang" each time you squeeze the trigger (double action), or you can cock the hammer first (single action). Most double-actions can be fired single action -- the exceptions are those where you can't get to the hammer, as it's hidden for easier concealment (see the S&W J-frames for an obvious example here).

Revolver tradeoffs versus pistols are debated here constantly, but I think most would agree to the following:
  • The manual of arms is easier, in that in case a round misfires you simply squeeze the trigger again. The only surprise here is if you almost fire the weapon, then back back down again, you'll find the cylinder advances and you get one less shot than you thought. You'll only make that mistake once. ;)
  • It's easy to check the status on a revolver -- it's loaded or it isn't. Way too many accidents from someone dropping the magazine on a pistol, assuming it's safe, and doing something stupid with it.
  • They tend to be fairly accurate, because single-action revolver triggers are a thing of beauty. The more you shoot the more you'll grow to like a smooth, crisp trigger.
  • There's no worry about whether a particular round will chamber or not. This means you can get more radical hollowpoint designs in revolver rounds.
  • They're bulkier in general than pistols. Yes, there are exceptions, but most seem to think a flat pistol like a 1911 is easier to conceal than a revolver of comparable power.
  • Your average revolver is more reliable than your average pistol.
  • Capacity is limited. You'll be looking at between 5 and 8 rounds before a reload, versus more than you can count in some pistols. Whether you need 18 rounds of .357 is another question entirely.
  • Reloads will be slower than with a pistol. Yes, folks, I know this can be minimized, but it's true unless you use some gadget that 95% of the shooting public doesn't use.
  • If your revolver does happen to jam, you're probably not gonna unjam it in any reasonable time frame. Besides the fact that you won't get as much training on malfunctions as your average pistol shooter :D the malfunctions tend to be more serious.

Now, on to pistols:

Pistol calibers: You'll see .380's, 9mm's, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP recommended by various folks. There are advantages and disadvantages to each. Pax thinks a .380 is sufficient for self defense and she's likely right, but you'll find a few who think anything less powerful than .38 Spl/9mm might be a tad underpowered. Of course, a .380 is a whole lot better than nothing, and some are incredibly cute...

My preference between them is something like this: 9mm is easy enough to shoot, 45 is easiest to shoot, and the .40 is snappy enough that it's just harder than the others to shoot accurately. That's personal bias though, having owned 4-5 of each caliber. Others feel differently, and it really doesn't matter much - a good hollowpoint in any of these calibers does fine.

Pistol Actions: you've got more variety here -- single action pistols (like the 1911 many love), double-action only (which I hate, but some love), striker-fired pistols like glocks (call it a single-and-a-half action), and others that are double action for the first shot and single action after that.

You'll find things are a bit more complex than with revolvers -- there's loading the magazine (and making sure it's properly seated), making sure a round is/isn't in the chamber, and working a safety and/or decocker are involved. Not that this is hard -- just that it's more involved, and will require more attention (which I guess is arguably a good thing).

Pistol Tradeoffs involve differences between calibers and actions more than anything else. Things to look at include:
  • Capacity: 5 rounds of .45 ACP in one gun, to 12 rounds in another, versus 19 rounds of 9mm in another.
  • Grip width -- higher capacity = thicker grips, and many feel a narrower grip leads to better shooting.
  • Action. Duh
  • Reliability. Any pistol (mostly) is capable of flawless performance, but many seem to fall short, for reasons of manufacture, fit, maintenance, or in reaction to the shooter. Do a search and you'll find people who find Glocks will feed anything, forever, without maintenance. You'll find others who get lots of jams because they're not holding the gun firmly enough (limp-wristing).

Standard revolver recommendations: I believe a double-action .357 with a reasonable sized barrel (say 4 inches) is a good choice. You'll find snub-nosed revolvers are cute and sort of call to you, but they're a lot harder to shoot well than a more reasonable one. Let the snubby be your second revolver.

I suggest a .357 because it can shoot .38 Special for training and cheap range ammo, but you'll be able to load much more powerful rounds as needed -- not that you ever need to, as a .38 will likely do everything you ask of it (based on your description of your goals). It's just the it's marginally more expensive than a .38, and much more flexible.

There's certainly nothing wrong with a .44 Special or .44 Magnum, but it's just not the all-round gun that a .357 is.

As far as manufacturers go there are a few choices and lots of personal bias. I'd suggest that most here would agree with this statement: S&W and Ruger make solid revolvers; the Smiths cost more but seem to be a bit better finished, though you'll likely see no difference in day-to-day performance. (Watch, someone will come along now and argue this -- it's a gun board after all. ;) )

I'll also say a stainless finish will require less maintenance than a blued finish.

Pistol recommendations: This is tougher. I personally find them somewhat distasteful, but there's a lot to be said for Glocks -- they'll handle poor maintenence better than some of the more classic designs, they're pretty reliable, they're pretty accurate, they're cheap, and they "just work." To me, they seem like guns designed by someone that didn't like guns -- an engineering solution to the problem of reliably throwing projectiles downrange. Not saying this is a bad thing, or that I haven't owned a half-dozen, just that it doesn't fit my aesthetic.

1911's are wonderful, but there are so many models by so many makers and so many options.....maybe not for your first pistol, though you'll certainly get one eventually. ;)

There are a number of polymer pistols out there that compete with Glock and do the same job better or worse. There are also a number of double-action 9mm and .40 S&W weapons that work pretty well -- Sigs, Berettas, H&K's, and so on. Really the choice here should be based on how well it fits your hand, and reliability ratings you can get here or some place like Gun Tests.

It's easier to say "get a stainless 4" .357 from S&W or Ruger and shoot a few boxes of .38s through it to start," though. :)
 
I would recommend a pump shotgun first
a .45 ACP semiauto second
a .44mag revolver third.

The shotgun gets overlooked by many but in my opinion, it is the single most flexible firearm I've ever heard of. All the tasks you've outlined above would be served better by a shotgun with appropriate ammo for the task. Now I understand that you asked for a handgun and the shotgun gives up something in terms of concealment or ease of transport but it bears mentioning that Remington 870 often sells for less than half the price of any gun mentioned so far.

I totally disagree with the mentaility that revolvers are the best starting point for a firearms collection. I own three revolvers and two of them have needed to be re timed more than once! It's my contention that most revolver shooters don't know how to check the timing of their cylinder and are blissfully unaware how close to damage/failure/kaboom they really are! In comparison most autos I've found will have problems with cycling which although inconvienient isn't particularly unsafe to the shooter. Something most shooters forget is that reliability is paramount only AFTER SAFE FUNCTIONING! I'd wager a strong 90% of the semiauto's that I've encountered failed to work reliably for one of three reasons. The first is magazines which are inexpensive (compared to cylinders in a revolver). The second is ammunition, some autos are choosy when it comes to ammo. That said any reasonably popular caliber will have enough options availible that you can find ammo that will run without problems. The third reason is cleaning. Leaving your gun filthy is just not a good idea no matter what gun it is. So all told 90% of the problems can be solved either by choosing different ammo, cleaning, or replacing magazines. Should your revolver be out of time, you will need a gunsmith to fix it and it'll be expensive. So before I move on to revolvers I'm recommending the auto mainly because they usually won't work at all if they are unsafe.

Revolvers represent a few advantages. In my opinion the single greatest thing about them is that they can handle higher pressures than autos. The second greatest thing about straight sided cartridges is that they can be made in shorter lengths (.357mag to .38spl, .44mag to .44spl). Given their higher pressures, revolvers can often perform on par with full size autos with substantially shorter barrels. For example the .44spl out of a 2" barreled revolver has approximately the same performance of the .45 ACP out of a 4" barreled auto. The .44 special is nowhere near as popular as the .38 special which is a shame however my faith is in the .44 as a defence round. The .44 Magnum is the most popular "big bore magnum" revolver cartridge and you'll likely never find it hard to locate ammo for it. I guess I should ammend my recommendadion to include that the .44 mag is the best revolver caliber provided you handload .44spls to practice with.
 
The shotgun gets overlooked by many but in my opinion, it is the single most flexible firearm I've ever heard of. All the tasks you've outlined above would be served better by a shotgun with appropriate ammo for the task. Now I understand that you asked for a handgun and the shotgun gives up something in terms of concealment or ease of transport but it bears mentioning that Remington 870 often sells for less than half the price of any gun mentioned so far.

i don' think he wants to be toting aound a shotgun over his shoulder, everytime he walks through the woods, and i most definetly ouldn't want to have a shotgun on my sailboat! i believe that a shotgun would get in the way more than anything. in the home it would be fine but humping throught the woods while cuttin lumber it would be a hassal. i asssume that he is wanting a handgun, so he can carry if he needs and it won't be in the way, but readilly availiable if he needs it.
+1 for The S&W 686!:)
 
Shotgun on a sailboat? What's wrong with that? You get tired of seagulls, so you blast 'em.
I'd normally say a revolver in .357, but I've been thinking over Taurus' offering of a .410/.45 colt revolver. Shotshells would be very handy if snakes come around, and .45 colt can take care of most bigger troublemakers south of a Kodiak Bear, with proper shot placement.
 
is this your first handgun?

i'd recommend a 9mm (easy to find, inexpensive) automatic (capacity, fast reload).

assuming this is your first gun, the first thing you'll want to do after you've chosen the right one is to shoot it... a lot. get very familiar, proficient with it. 9mm will be a very cheap option for this (only thing cheaper would be .22lr pistol).

i recommend:
springfield XD, glock (if it fits your hand), bersa/firestorm line, taurus
 
Just one more vote for the stainless steel four inch barreled 357 revolver. You can always shoot 38 special or 38 special plus P loads if you want to.
 
The question of revolver vs pistol is going to be preference and not no amount of logic or field experience will change very many minds. I have not found a revolver that I can shoot better or is as easy/fun to use.
I recommend a 9mm is one of the quality brands, i would recommend a Glock 17/19/26, Ruger sr9/p95, or SW mp9. These are top tier guns that will not be bad choices and ones that you never wear out. Fine one that you like to shoot, my current favorite is Glock 17 gen 4. If your tastes go to .45 acp then consider Glock and some of the more medium priced 1911. Now, the one that is getting best reviews is Ruger sr1911. 9mm and 45 gap/acp are generally easier to shoot at range sessions due to perceived recoil.
Also, I would highly recommend a second gun of something like Ruger mkiii/2245 for range practice. There are several in this class that can be had for under $300 that make really good practice guns. You will like spending 2 or 3 cents per round vs 20 to 30 cents for the service calibers. The 22lr gun for practice will improve your shooting I general.
Www.best9mm.com has a list of other 9mm guns that are good with some observations about each. Find a range that will rent guns and try out several.
 
hi, i'm looking to purchase a handgun, and would appreciate input regarding revolver vs pistol, which gun caliber, and maker to go with. my main considerations would be:

home security - we live in a small town, probably will never be needed, but...

personal safety in the woods - i cut firewood and spend time outside, again, probably will never see an aggressive animal......

fun to shoot at the range - okay here it will be used a few times a month so it should be a durable, reliable gun, and somewhat economical to shoot.

we spend time on our sailboat (saltwater), and enjoy camping, so it may be exposed to various corrosive elements, although will typically be cleaned and stored properly.

how does stainless vs blued steel hold up with repeated firings. also, how are plastic and alluminum frames.

thanks for the knowledgable input, g2

OK, based on that criteria I would recommend a quality stainless .38/.357 revolver by Ruger or S&W. The caliber will afford you fairly cheap range plinking, while giving you the powerful option of the .357 for self defense. You didn't mention concealed carry, so you could opt for a 4 inch model with adjustable sights, and the stainless finish would wear well in the salty humid climate. The revolver also offers you 10X the amount of after market grips, coming in all shapes and sizes to fit your hand and fingers. Good luck!;)

LD
 
A long and well hashed over question in the self reliance catagory. Well answered to the nth degree. I'll put my 2c in as well. A good .357 revolver with a 4-5" barrel is on of the most versatile handguns ever offered. Add to that a good 38/357 leveraction carbine and a 12g pump shotgun. The you will have the basic self defense battery that will serve you well. Add a .22 rifle and pistol you will need nothing else for hunting or prcatice. Remember that stainless steel is only stain less it will still rust.

Good luck in your endevors and enjoy.

TS
 
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