handgunlaw.us -- no replacement for packing.org?

[swingpress]

I'll soon be traveling through several states. I'll be going through: New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, and South Dakota.

In times past, when making trips like this, I have used packing.org as a starting point and individual states web sites to clarify anything that seemed out of the ordinary. Now that packing.org is gone, I'm trying to make use of http://handgunlaw.us and http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/. Both of which seem to be useless for my purpose.

I sincerely hope that I'm mistaken and someone can point me to the state law summary section at handgunlaw.us.

What I want to know on a state by state basis:

* Honor my AZ permit (found that somewhere else)?
* Must inform officer during traffic encounter?
* Any crazy off limits places (New Mexico used to have any place that sold liquor by the bottle!)?
* Any thing else that might be strange (Utah is strange about guns in a vehicle, for example)?

I don't mean to belittle these sites. Nor am I saying that packing.org was the end all. I can see where the interpretation and summary of law is the place of an attorney and none other. I don't blame those guys for not wanting to take on that liability. Packing.org sure was a resource though.

 

[Jimmie]

* Honor my AZ permit (found that somewhere else)?

http://handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php
http://handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf

* Must inform officer during traffic encounter?

http://handgunlaw.us/documents/USOffLimitsA-M.pdf
http://handgunlaw.us/documents/USOffLimitsN-W.pdf

* Any crazy off limits places (New Mexico used to have any place that sold liquor by the bottle!)?

http://handgunlaw.us/documents/USOffLimitsA-M.pdf
http://handgunlaw.us/documents/USOffLimitsN-W.pdf

* Any thing else that might be strange (Utah is strange about guns in a vehicle, for example)?

http://handgunlaw.us/documents/StateLaws.pdf
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/NoHiCapChemSpray.pdf

AG rulings and such: http://handgunlaw.us/state-link.htm


Packing.org was great, but handgunlaw.us is no slouch.

 

[Bruce333]

Here's another resource for ya.

http://www.usacarry.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=36

Hasn't been around long, so some info is still missing.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

If you click on Arizona on the map, it will bring up an image showing the states that honor your permit.

For the must inform and off limits places, you may wish to click on the link that says US Off-Limits A-M for Colorado and US Off-Limits N-Z for New Mexico, South Dakota, and Wyoming. That will bring up a PDF document with the information you seek.

Utah is strange about guns in a vehicle, for example

Huh? Utah's law is that unless otherwise authorized by law, a person may not carry a loaded firearm in or on a vehicle. I'm not sure how one would consider that strange.

 

[spwenger]

Volunteers Needed

Here's another resource for ya.

http://www.usacarry.com/index.php?op...pper&Itemid=36

Hasn't been around long, so some info is still missing.

Luke is making a commendable effort to replace Packing.org, even if his database is not as prominent as it should be. As the former Arizona-page administrator at Packing.org, I shared the frustration of many users that offers to administer out-of-date pages were routinely ignored in that site's latter days. When I discovered USACarry.com, I volunteered an Arizona page, which has been posted on the site, and would encourage other qualified individuals (some of whom may have been rebuffed at Packing.org) to do the same.

Handgunlaw.us is a valuable resource but it lacks the user-friendliness of the on-site summaries that distinguished that original database on Packing.org. I see no reason that Handgunlaw.us and USACarry.com cannot coexist as mutually supportive sites.

 

[swingpress]

Huh? Utah's law is that unless otherwise authorized by law, a person may not carry a loaded firearm in or on a vehicle. I'm not sure how one would consider that strange.

Here in AZ, permit holder or not, we don't unload to ride in a car. So, to me, Utah law is strange.

Not to get too far off track but it's also not clear to me weather a permit holder is a permitted person, or if that exemption is meant only for LEOs.

 

[swingpress]

It seems that http://handgunlaw.us has more information than I first thought. I find the pdf file names misleading and had not seen the information buried within.

Thanks for the help!

 

[B. Adams]

South Dakota honors a CCW permit/license from any state. You can't carry in bars (51% rule), schools, or courthouses. No uncased firearms in state parks, although your CCW piece is fine (state preemption). That's probably all you'll have to worry about, South Dakota is great.

Also, I don't know if it'll be an issue for you, but I'd recommend staying away from the Indian reservations if you're carrying firearms, no matter what state you're in. They all have their own laws, and it could get tricky if you ever had to mess with it.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

Here in AZ, permit holder or not, we don't unload to ride in a car. So, to me, Utah law is strange.

The same statute prevents you from carrying loaded on the street, so that's a moot point. Loaded has a very specific definition according to Utah law.

Not to get too far off track but it's also not clear to me weather a permit holder is a permitted person, or if that exemption is meant only for LEOs.

I can assure you that this exemption is for permit holders as well other those otherwise authorized by law. With a permit in Utah, you can carry just about anywhere except for airports, courts, prisons, federal facilities, and LDS churches.

Pretty much all you need to know is here: http://bci.utah.gov/CFP/CFPHome.html

 

[swingpress]

Here in AZ, permit holder or not, we don't unload to ride in a car. So, to me, Utah law is strange.

The same statute prevents you from carrying loaded on the street, so that's a moot point.

I'm not sure where you got that from. Perhaps I wasn't clear because my quote is a double-negative. Were you referring to something else?

Anyone can open-carry a loaded gun in a car in AZ. Additionally, a CCW permit holders may conceal in a car.

We often see guns riding on dashboards down here.

Thanks for that link.

http://bci.utah.gov/CFP/CFLCarry.html

Only a peace officer in the performance of his duty or a person with a valid permit to carry may carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

I'm not sure where you got that from. Perhaps I wasn't clear because my quote is a double-negative. Were you referring to something else?

In Utah, one can't legally carry a loaded weapon, loaded for a semi-auto meaning one in the chamber, in a vehicle or on the a public street without a CFP or being a LEO. Without a CFP, you can pretty much only carry loaded at home or in the boonies. It gets kind of unclear about other property and the open carry people are trying to get the sorted out. So, my point was that one isn't really unloading to get in a vehicle if you don't have permit since you shouldn't be carrying loaded without a permit while you're out and about anyway due to the way the law is written. If you do have a permit, it doesn't make any difference. Permit holders are specifically excempt from both the public street and the vehicle statute. If you have a permit, you don't have to worry about it. If you don't have a permit, you then have to contend with the gray areas which sort of preclude open carry.

Hope that helps.

 

[.cheese.]

packing.org is gone!?

 

[USA Carry]

Thanks for passing the word spwenger. I got held up with updating the site due to moving to Tampa but I'm here and plan on doing a big update over the next couple of weeks on http://www.usacarry.com. My #1 priority is getting all of the state info pages populated.

 

[Megistopoda]

Boy do we need a national standard for concealed carry reciprocity!

 

[Super Trucker]

Another new site is http://usccw.org/, I do not like the owner of handgunlaw. us.