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Handgunners Inc, Graham NC

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by THE DARK KNIGHT, Apr 25, 2011.

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  1. THE DARK KNIGHT

    THE DARK KNIGHT Member

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    Saw this elsewhere, and it brought up a very interesting point to me. Yes, it's private property. The guy can have whatever rules he likes. However, is this really the image/stereotype that gun owners should be reinforcing? Are there not enough people out there that think gun owner = racist hillbilly?

     
  2. Dreamcast270mhz

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    It is ignorant Americans like him that give us the Ugly American label. I PERSONALLY feel private property or not he is inviting a lawsuit. Racist jerks like these should be in jail for discrimination. Muslims are not bad people, foreigners are not bad people and black people sporting different styles are certainly not bad people. <deleted>
     
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  3. hermannr

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    I guess I would have trouble there eh? I am white (German and Swedish), and speak English quite well (along with a couple other languages), but I talk to my wife in German frequently.

    I was not born in the US, but I am a US citizen. Earned my citizenship in Vietnam. My wife's family came to New Amsterdam in 1630, I guess she would be ok though, except for speaking German on occation... :uhoh:

    But you know, if the owner wants to be a donkey's behind, that is his privilage. Just as it is also my privilage not to support his attitude. :D
     
  4. Water-Man

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    I don't have a problem with his way of thinking at all. If you don't like it, don't go there. I'm sure you can find a 'more liberal' establishment that embraces the kind of people he doesn't.
     
  5. THE DARK KNIGHT

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    Wow, I just went to the business's website. Apparently, the poster I quoted toned things down a bit. It's worded even worse at the place:

    This is just flat out sad.

    Out of curiosity, do they even have any Muslims in southern central rural North Carolina to discriminate against?
     
  6. ZCORR Jay

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    It's good to see there's a business out there that is doing so well they can can turn down business.
     
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    I think I'll pass on that guy's place. His property, his rights. I'm required to respect his wishes, not agree with them.

    Don't lump all of us redneck hillbillies in there with this guy, please. :)

    I have a friend (okay, an acquaintance) who came to this country and took great pride when he finally got his citizenship. He spent many years getting it done and going on to college. He is as American as anyone I know..Koran at home or not.

    Reason enough all by itself for me to spend my money elsewhere. I understand why some shop owners do this, but I don't agree with it. For every shop that does this, there are 5 or 6 that don't and they will be happy to accept my money.
     
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    I am honestly shocked. I know there is a bias ... but that's just flat out crazy!
     
  9. mgregg85

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    Yeah, after seeing all that stuff i'd just walk away. I'm not sure if the guy is a racist but i'd be assuming that he was at that point and I will not do business with those people. Besides just disagreeing with their bigotry, they make all the decent gun owners out there look bad.

    Sure its his right to be that way and to run his business as he chooses, I'd fight for his right to continue behaving that way, but I won't do any business with him. Every dollar spent there is a blow to the RKBA cause.
     
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    Water-Man in post #4 says,
    Am I misunderstanding you, or do you actually agree with him/them?
     
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    Sounds like skin head/white supremacist type's. Maybe ATF should send some officers there that can speak differently and look different after a good ole white officer gets the door open.
     
  12. Water-Man

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    If you want to discuss it further do so in a private message.
     
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    I'd say he's just being flat out honest and specifying exactly what or who he will allow on his property. Just a very direct way of reserving the right to refuse service if you will. Not necessarily the right thing to do, but that's America for you. You are allowed to do as you please on your private property even if other people don't like it (with some exceptions).

    Would I go there? Probably not, I don't want to have to deal with that much paperwork and effort just to shoot or purchase a new gun. Could it be a source of problems, yes, but once again, we let people have the freedom to do as they choose in this country.
     
  14. Tim the student

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    His place, his rules.

    And my decision to never spend a dime in.

    Guys like this are one reason I was happy to leave NC.
     
  15. N.Schafer

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    Maybe he's just protecting himself from a lawsuit. The media would love to say "Two people murdered and the gang members learned how to shoot at Handgunners Inc."

    Would be a lot worse if there was a terrorist attack and training was traced back there.
     
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    1) As for the owner's language requirements, I support them. A nation cannot stand without having it's citizens share a common language. People can do what they want at home, at play and at their own businesses. If another business owner wishes to put English only requirements in place at his establishment then so be it. Business owners place requirments on dress, behaviour and even whether or not you can carry on their property. I see an English only language requirement as no big deal. Perhaps he could have worded it better but it's his business. Those that don't like it can go elsewhere.
    2) The statements regarding dress are also no problem. If you look like a criminal and dress like a criminal then don't be suprised if you aren't welcome in some places. I don't have a problem with dreads or cornrows but gang looking attire or baggy pants are the uniform of criminals. If you walk around in KKK gear then expect to be treated like a terrorist. If you walk around in White Supremist attire then expect to be treated like the trash that you are. You are judged by your appearance. You make an immediate first impression when walking into a room. Dress accordingly and don't get your feelings hurt if you do dress like the trash in our society. I realize that most of the "Gang" attire that young people wear is nothing but dress up for thug wannabees. Sorry, they've picked how they want to present themselves. Ask yourself, does the girl that has a mouth like a sailor and her butt hanging out of her mini skirt get treated like the women walking around in Mennonite garb?
    3) I am not a fan of Islam but I believe that there are many (most actually) very good Muslims in the US. I really don't like his original posting on this subject. He should show more tolerance than that shown in Muslim nations around the globe. That's the American way.
     
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    Looks like you succumbed to your own gripe. How can you fault the owner when you have an attitude like that?

    Another one:
    See you guys are generalizing this type of behavior with a specific part of the country.

    And from the OP:
    So right there are 3 examples of people unknowingly doing the same thing they are complaining about. A little hypocritical huh? Maybe the pot calling the kettle black?
     
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    So if I declare Urdu or Cantonese the official language of my shop you would be equally cool with that?

    You do know that we do not have an official language in this country? We have now stood for almost 235 years without a required common language. Business has not suffered. We have never has a national language and I personally hope we never will.

    I would question how much you actually know about Islam.
     
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    He has a right to think the way he wants. Even if I don't like it.

    And he has a right to make the rules in his establishment.
    Even if his rules make me walk away.




    The big problem I have with his thinking and his rules:

    He expects me to honor and support his Second Amendment exercise,
    but he won't honor or support other people in their First Amendment exercise.

    That is hypocracy. The US Constitution doesn't let you pick-n-choose.
     
  20. Mags

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    The Bill of Rights limits the goverment not private citizens.
     
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    But you CAN have an official language on private property. Your recource is not to patronize that range.
     
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    I agree with that but that is not what Patriotme is advocating. He is clearly advocating a national language...

    As for the owner's language requirements, I support them. A nation cannot stand without having it's citizens share a common language. People can do what they want at home, at play and at their own businesses. If another business owner wishes to put English only requirements in place at his establishment then so be it. Business owners place requirments on dress, behaviour and even whether or not you can carry on their property. I see an English only language requirement as no big deal. Perhaps he could have worded it better but it's his business. Those that don't like it can go elsewhere.

    The issue with this shop is that it is open to the public and his verbiage is very close to being actionable. It is not a blanket statement of his right to refuse service but instead a declaration of who he will not serve based on race and religion.

    He is very open to a civil suite. IMHO
     
  23. Dreamcast270mhz

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    @Mags
    Not necessarily a pot, maybe a stove? What I'm saying is, I hate places in which a community is all of the same mold. I can tolerate racists, as long as they don't say N-word to any person of color or other elude to their prejudice. Islam is more like Christianity than most people think. He is basically only catering to white people, just another way of saying "Whites Only" which is illegal even on private property. The NAACP and other minority organizations are sure to have him on their hitlist.

    I do agree with not allowing other languages to be spoken, to a point. If the person knows english well he should use it. If he has issues with it but brings someone along to translate, it should be acceptable. I think, however if you or anyone with you is not able to speak it, don't bother because the likelihood of an american knowing another language is very low. People like this should not exist.
     
  24. Patriotme

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    You are correct. I am advocating a national language. As I stated earlier, you can speak what you want at home, at play or in your own business. A nation however needs something to bind people together. Welfare is not going to do it.
    I don't feel like a common language is too much to ask for. If you live here then you should learn English. Period. You don't need the eloquence of Obama (with the teleprompter) or Reagan's communication skills but you should be able to perform basic tasks in this society without having society adapt to you. No one expects immediate language perfection for immigrants.
    Listen....we've seen the massacres in the Congo, Rwanda and in Bosnia. You cannot have a nation stand when it's made up of nothing but competing mobs. There has to be some unifying factor. It's not going to be race, religion or (unfortunately) even love of country here in America.
    The very LEAST that we can have is a common language.
    If you cannot understand your neighbor or fellow countryman then you cannot work with him, trust him or expect the same in return.
     
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    And that's why I used the words "honor and support".

    The Bill of Rights is only binding upon the Government, as Mags notes,
    but that doesn't mean we private citizens don't honor and support each other's rights.
     
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